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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]

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I have to imagine they've talked about it off screen at some point given the time jump between seasons. But yeah it seems like something they need to talk out and Sansa needs to come to the understanding that Kings Landing doesn't matter. I wonder if we'll get some kind of Jon Snow/Littlefinger confrontation a bit if Littlefinger starts messing with Jon and Sansa.
That
chokehold
scene in the trailer could be just that exactly. Also, if Jon leaves Winterfell which he should once he gets Sam's raven, perhaps he will put Sansa in charge.
 

Volimar

Member
Hey guys I think that was Ed Sheeran!

:D

She spared the Umbers and Karstarks, but what of what remains of the Bolton's holdings? I'm surprised they didn't give away dreadfort and his lands to some loyal lords.

Almost certainly they will. Remember what Sansa said? No one will remember their house. The sooner they scrub the Flayed Man from the records, the better.
 

aravuus

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Solid episode. Nothing mindblowing but it's not like I expected it to be.

I kinda feel like rewatching the first 3 or 4 seasons, but I'm afraid I'd enjoy them so much more than recent GoT that I'd lose all interest in watching the new episodes as they come and at some point I'd accidentally spoil something for myself lol.

Maybe I'll do the rewatch marathon sometime between s7 and s8.
 
Is it a given that we'll get a climactic scene where jon is hit with dragonfire and everyone is agasp when hes unaffected?

Personally I can't shake the feeling that the ending of season 6 was more about clearing the path for him to
bone Sansa as a parallel to Cersei and Jamie. Since they're the good guys it's okay now, he's only her cousin.

I spoke this theory to my GF last night as we were watching the episode and she gave me The Look, but come on, I can't be the only one thinking this could happen lol.
 

OrionX

Member
I'm not saying you're wrong (although the worst part of the Starks to me is just making naive ass mistakes), but Sansa, on the show is like, what, 17? She's still just a kid and she's been through so much fucked up shit. She watched her father get killed by a beheading, then she had to look at the beheaded head, along with her septa's beheaded head who probably died trying to protect her. And then, she almost gets raped in an alleyway of King's Landing.

A year (?) or so later, she receives news of her brother and mothers' deaths and is betrothed to Tyrion Lannister, who was like 3 times her age at that point. A little while later, she is met with some of the only family she has left on her mother's side, only to see that her Aunt Lysa is a nutcase herself. Maybe she and Robin can get along though.

But then, she is actually raped by one of the most evil characters of the show. She goes through all that, and then finally she gets her home back, with a (half) sibling that she was least close with growing up. What would be the first thing on your mind?

edit: and just to be clear, without even saying whether Jon made the right choice or not, I just wish the guy would try to sympathize with his sister a little bit. He's gone through some things himself but he is the leader. Has Sansa even told him everything that's happened to her offscreen? He should at least try to understand why Sansa is so helllbent on vengeance - even if afterwards he has to get her to understand that the Night King's army is more important right now.

Yeah, I think Sansa's just tired of feeling useless and doesn't want to be a victim anymore. She's constantly looking for potential threats. She wants to contribute and feel like she has power, because she knows what it feels like to be completely powerless and at the mercy of others. I think that's why, as Jon pointed out, it almost seems like she respects Cersei in a twisted way. Cersei refuses to let herself be controlled by anyone and will do anything to avoid being a victim. I was watching an earlier episode where she told Jon "No one can protect anyone." And who could blame her for feeling that way after everything she's been through. I just hope it doesn't lead her to make a stupid decision later on...
 

Kave_Man

come in my shame circle
After having a good sleep and thinking about it.

I feel although the North believes Jon about the white walkers they deep down don't really expect anything to happen and aren't giving it the attention it deserves.

Case in point Sansa's wanting to wipe out the Umbers and Karstarks.
 

televator

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Hey guys I think that was Ed Sheeran!

:D



Almost certainly they will. Remember what Sansa said? No one will remember their house. The sooner they scrub the Flayed Man from the records, the better.

If only Hodor had lived. Lord Hodor of House Hodor. First of his Hodor and protector of the Hodor. House motto: Hodor, Hodor, HODOR!

House sigil:
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She spared the Umbers and Karstarks, but what of what remains of the Bolton's holdings? I'm surprised they didn't give away dreadfort and his lands to some loyal lords.

Littlefinger and Sansa wiped the Boltons. All of them. It's a small house, made strong due to their alliances with the Stark and then the Lannister/Frey. Once they lost, they were done.
 

Topias

Banned
Such a shame they still insist on presenting Dany as the "hero" in this show, despite her being an insufferable character and pretty much disliked by most. Emilia Clarke is a horrible actress too.

And why is Hound such a pussy all of a sudden?
 

Sephzilla

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Danny is just boring to me. She's the John Cena of Game of Thrones - she wins almost all of the obstacles put in front of her and when she does rarely hit some kind of adversity she usually overcomes it almost immediately thereafter.
 
Yeah, I think Sansa's just tired of feeling useless and doesn't want to be a victim anymore. She's constantly looking for potential threats. She wants to contribute and feel like she has power, because she knows what it feels like to be completely powerless and at the mercy of others. I think that's why, as Jon pointed out, it almost seems like she respects Cersei in a twisted way. Cersei refuses to let herself be controlled by anyone and will do anything to avoid being a victim. I was watching an earlier episode where she told Jon "No one can protect anyone." And who could blame her for feeling that way after everything she's been through. I just hope it doesn't lead her to make a stupid decision later on...
I don't think she'll be making any stupid decisions, she is the one after all who called her brother and father stupid and both dying because of it. However, I think this episode hinted that Jon will leave Winterfell, so she will get her crack at leadership for the rest of the season after that. And we'll see how that goes & turns out.
 
Solid episode

+ Arya wiping out the Frey's
+ Jon for justice vs Sansa for shrewdness for the way the game must be played
+ Jaime / Cersei always great together


I do think Little Finger still has a role to play here. He's always been two steps ahead of everybody and Sansa is not going to play him. He's going to succeed at ~some level at playing her, hopefully enough that he seals his own fate and not taking hold of the north. I'm sure that Cersai doesn't trust him, but given that he still holds the Vale, I can see them conspiring.

Euron wanting to get a prize for Cersai. There are multiple options here, with Tyrion being who she despises the most. But Tyrion has already been captured so many times, plus it being so obvious, as well as how the hell is Euron going to get to him when he's with Dany, Unsullied, Dothraki, and they have Dorne and Highgarden. It shouldn't be that easy. Other options are Sansa, Ellaria Sand, and ??? (I don't see Olenna Tyrell)
 

fantomena

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Do you guys have any thoughts about the importance of little Sam? I would assume he is at least somewhat important considering he is the last living son of Craster. I would assume he is the brother of the WW.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
Coldplay is gonna come back for episode 2 and there will be a ten minute long shit scene. It will be the best episode of TV ever made.
Do you guys have any thoughts about the importance of little Sam? I would assume he is quite important considering he is the last living son of Craster. I would assume he is the brother of the WW.

I don't think there's anything important there, and I mean, Craster was just some dude that ran away from the Night's Watch. I think little Sam is just there to bind Sam and Gilly together.
 

HvySky

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Do you guys have any thoughts about the importance of little Sam? I would assume he is quite important considering he is the last living son of Craster. I would assume he is the brother of the WW.

He'll likely send word to Jon that Dragonstone is the key to acquiring more Obsidian / Dragonglass, thus setting up Jon and Daenerys meeting for the first time. Outside of his time in Old Town and desire to become a maester, I'm not really sure what important he still holds.

Edit: I'm an idiot. :|
 
He'll likely send word to Jon that Dragonstone is the key to acquiring more Obsidian / Dragonglass, thus setting up Jon and Daenerys meeting for the first time. Outside of his time in Old Town and desire to become a maester, I'm not really sure what important he still holds.
he's talking about little Sam, Gilly's baby.
 

pestul

Member
The Jon not being burned by fire thing.. well he was restored by the Lord of the Light, so who knows what his super powers might be now lol. Maybe he'll end up being Ice resistant..
 

zeemumu

Member
Do you guys have any thoughts about the importance of little Sam? I would assume he is at least somewhat important considering he is the last living son of Craster. I would assume he is the brother of the WW.

Little Sam will lay claim to Sam's birthright on his kingdom's throne.
 

HvySky

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he's talking about little Sam, Gilly's baby.

Hence my edit. I haven't had my morning coffee yet. Lol

I honestly don't see much importance in Sam Jr. at this point. Hell, the entire Sam / Gilly plot seems to hinge on Sam finding information on how to defeat the Night King (which I guess might just be remembering that there's Dragonglass at Dragonstone?). Hopefully there's more to it than that.
 
He'll likely send word to Jon that Dragonstone is the key to acquiring more Obsidian / Dragonglass, thus setting up Jon and Daenerys meeting for the first time. Outside of his time in Old Town and desire to become a maester, I'm not really sure what important he still holds.

Edit: I'm an idiot. :|

I do think that big Sam will end up being important, not in a way like Dani/Jon/Tyrion, but I can see him being the one who ends up being the one person who's able to fully sythesize / understand the totality of the battle for the iron throne and against the White Walkers. Essentially becoming "the maester" that matters (even if he's not Grand Maester)
 

fantomena

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I don't think there's anything important there, and I mean, Craster was just some dude that ran away from the Night's Watch. I think little Sam is just there to bind Sam and Gilly together.

Um... The WW (except for the Night King) are Crasters sons. A few seasons ago after Gilly and Sam escaped from Craster after the mutiny, a WW came to get little Sam. It didn't kill anyone, it just pushed Sam away, mission was to get little Sam.
 

FiggyCal

Banned
I dunno if it was this thread or the other thread that I asked does Arya not care about her uncle Edmure?

Arya doesn't seem to be concerned about her family at the moment, or else she'd be trying to reunite with Jon, Sansa, Bran, etc. as far as she knows, Benjen is still alive as well.

Edit: Nvm. I just now remembered Edmure is still a prisoner.
 
The Jon not being burned by fire thing.. well he was restored by the Lord of the Light, so who knows what his super powers might be now lol. Maybe he'll end up being Ice resistant..

Doubt it by the way he's dressed since being brought back and was visibly shivering when revived.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
Um... The WW (except for the Night King) are Crasters sons. A few seasons ago after Gilly and Sam escaped from Craster after the mutiny, a WW came to get little Sam. It didn't kill anyone, it just pushed Sam away, mission was to get little Sam.

There's nothing particularly special about him, though. He's just a fucker who was willing to give his sons up to the White Walkers so they wouldn't kill him. Why would the Night King be interested in little Sam now? Dude is just a baby, he can get thousands once he invades the South.
 

Fledz

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Sansa's such a cunt, hope they do something with this character and that she isn't just going to be bitching from the sidelines the entire season.

That's kind of integral to her character development. She's gone from spoiled child with no self confidence, through a horrendous teenage life and now is developing into a woman with confidence and more importantly, cunning. She has to be this way, as it balances out other characters around her.

You can't like everyone in a show, otherwise it would be boring. It's not a comedy.
 
Hence my edit. I haven't had my morning coffee yet. Lol

I honestly don't see much importance in Sam Jr. at this point. Hell, the entire Sam / Gilly plot seems to hinge on Sam finding information on how to defeat the Night King (which I guess might just be remembering that there's Dragonglass at Dragonstone?). Hopefully there's more to it than that.
Some of the white walkers are biological brothers to little Sam, though. Someone else pointed out how there was that one ww who came to claim little Sam.
Arya doesn't seem to be concerned about her family at the moment, or else she'd be trying to reunite with Jon, Sansa, Bran, etc. as far as she knows, Benjen is still alive as well.

Edit: Nvm. I just now remembered Edmure is still a prisoner.
It's strange how it was not mentioned at all whether or not Arya knows about some of her family still being alive. If she knew, I feel like she would head north instead.
Jon is OP. Most "powerful" character of the show and the only true King.
You know what's ironic? Beric having been brought back to life 6 times says every time he's back, he's a bit less and therefore, probably weaker, whereas Jon gets brought back once, but he seems like he's only become stronger. He fought right in the front lines of a battle, a battle that ended the (political) war in the north.

So safe to say I don't think this character has reached his full potential yet
 
Such a shame they still insist on presenting Dany as the "hero" in this show, despite her being an insufferable character and pretty much disliked by most. Emilia Clarke is a horrible actress too.

And why is Hound such a pussy all of a sudden?
Being brought back from the dead has made him kind of religious.
 

Venture

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There's nothing particularly special about him, though. He's just a fucker who was willing to give his sons up to the White Walkers so they wouldn't kill him. Why would the Night King be interested in little Sam now? Dude is just a baby, he can get thousands once he invades the South.
I do wonder if just any baby can become a white walker. Maybe they have to be intentionally sacrificed.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
Is HBO not doing behind the scenes videos anymore? Those usually go up a few hours after the episode airs.
 

Ernest

Banned
I want one of the GoT off-shoots that HBO is planning to be all about Lady Mormont. Either picking up right where GoT leaves off with the same actress as a girl. Or wait about 10 years, using the same actress just as she's become an adult. She is GoT's GOAT!!!


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Good episode. The first few minutes with Arya was the strongest.

Why is Jorah in a cell and not with Dani again?
Dany told him in season 6 to leave and find a cure, then come back to her. I guess he decided the Citadel was the best place to look for it but the maesters decided not to help him.

edit: beaten
 
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