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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]

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Vashetti

Banned
Good episode. The first few minutes with Arya was the strongest.

Why is Jorah in a cell and not with Dani again?

  • helped Daario rescue Dany in Vaes Dothrak
  • Dany couldn't send him away or take him back (because of the conundrum of him betraying her in S1 but also saving her life twice recently)
  • Jorah revealed his greyscale
  • Dany, devastated, sent Jorah away to find a cure and to return to her side when he's found one
 
Dani sent him on a mission to find a cure, which he interpreted as getting imprisoned and slowly dying of his horrible disease. The things are easily confused, I know.

Keeping him locked up may be to protect other people from him too...

1. It's highly contagious.

2. It eventually turns you into one of the stone people and makes you go mad, and thus, a higher chance of spreading the disease.

If Sam Tarly takes an interest in him, he'll probably find a cure. He seems to actually give a shit about people and is pretty efficient on doing his research.
 

-griffy-

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I don't think he's imprisoned there, seems like he's there to get treated.

Yeah, Sam seems to be taking care of sick people there. He's collecting bed pans and serving meals to people too ill to do so themselves. Jorah is quarantined because the grayscale is so contagious. This is the best place for him to be cured.
 
How the fuck did Jorah beat Danny to Westeros

He left shortly after she escaped Dothrak.

She didn't leave for westeros for what would probably equal out to at least a few months after that.

Each season of the show is about a years time I think and there can be decent chunks of time not depicted.
 

Elandyll

Banned
That's kind of integral to her character development. She's gone from spoiled child with no self confidence, through a horrendous teenage life and now is developing into a woman with confidence and more importantly, cunning. She has to be this way, as it balances out other characters around her.

You can't like everyone in a show, otherwise it would be boring. It's not a comedy.
No.
She thinks she is cunning because she expects everybody to fuck everybody over, and because she thinks she saw right through Littlefinger.

None of that takes a genius (she saw LF's duplicity first hand on many occasions because he wanted her to), and everything points to her being groomed by LF into scheming against her own brother (hope I'm wrong and that she is smarter than that).
Reminder: She literally withheld the information of the incoming Vale troops from her brother, when he asked her, to her face, what information she had (beside repeating constantly "you don't have the men" and "Ramsey is a scheming bastard") that could influence the battle plan or timing.

Either she was profoundly stupid, or profoundly evil in taking the chance that a lot of Wildlings and possibly her own brother would die before she would swoop in with LF and win the day.

The jury is still out on her real motives and growth, but Jon told her they have to start trusting each other, knowing she withdrew that from him. He is not stupid. He knows betrayal. He just has bigger concerns.
Also look back at Battle of the Bastards when she sees that Jon is Alive.

It's not a look of relief on her face.

Just saying here.
 

Aiii

So not worth it
How the fuck did Jorah beat Danny to Westeros

Varys went from Mereen to Dorne and back to Mereen to pick up Dany in the same time, so yeah...
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Griss

Member
Going to be interesting to see what they do with Littlefinger.

If his play with Sansa is up (and he must realise it is) then switching the Knights of the Vale to the Lannister side would be an exceptionally good way for Cersei to wreck havok in the North. I just don't think he holds enough sway with those knights to get them to do something like that.

In which case, with the Boltons dead and Sansa closed to him, what's his game? Feels like his race is run unless something exceptional happens. We don't have many episodes left, so it's hard to know how much time they'll be willing to spend on him.

What I imagine is something like the landlord from Les Miserables... the white walkers attack, he slinks off and manages to survive and in the last episode you see him trying to rebuild influence somewhere in some city. The eternal conniver and survivor.
 
Don't know why people still question how so and so got somewhere before someone else when we've known for a while now that not all events are in sync.
 

Brashnir

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Dani sent him on a mission to find a cure, which he interpreted as getting imprisoned and slowly dying of his horrible disease. The things are easily confused, I know.

I'm guessing he's quarantined rather than imprisoned. He went to the citadel, which is surely the place he'd be most likely to find a cure.
 

Sephzilla

Member
Going to be interesting to see what they do with Littlefinger.

If his play with Sansa is up (and he must realise it is) then switching the Knights of the Vale to the Lannister side would be an exceptionally good way for Cersei to wreck havok in the North. I just don't think he holds enough sway with those knights to get them to do something like that.

In which case, with the Boltons dead and Sansa closed to him, what's his game? Feels like his race is run unless something exceptional happens. We don't have many episodes left, so it's hard to know how much time they'll be willing to spend on him.

What I imagine is something like the landlord from Les Miserables... the white walkers attack, he slinks off and manages to survive and in the last episode you see him trying to rebuild influence somewhere in some city. The eternal conniver and survivor.

Littlefinger's end game is him on the Iron Throne. So, if I had to wager a guess, I think he might try to talk Sansa into making a campaign south on Kings Landing and attacking the Lannisters while they are weakened. Which would logically bring about conflict between Jon and Littlefinger.
 
No.
She thinks she is cunning because she expects everybody to fuck everybody over, and because she thinks she saw right through Littlefinger.

None of that takes a genius, and everything points to her being groomed by LF into scheming against her own brother (hope I'm wrong and that she is smarter than that).
Reminder: She literally withheld the information of the incoming Vale troops from her brother, when he asked her, to her face, what information she had (beside repeating constantly "you don't have the men" and "Ramsey is a scheming bastard") that could influence the battle plan or timing.

Either she was profoundly stupid, or profoundly evil in taking the chance that a lot of Wildlings and possibly her own brother would die before she would swoop in with LF and win the day.

The jury is still out on her real motives and growth, but Jon told her they have to start trusting each other, knowing she withdrew that from him. He is not stupid. He knows betrayal. He just has bigger concerns.
Also look back at Battle of the Bastards when she sees that Jon is Alive.

It's not a look of relief on her face.

Just saying here.
dat reach.. it's quite strong.

If she wanted to fuck over Jon, she would just let Littlefinger in on it and he would get destroyed. LF has dominated people far smarter than Jon will ever be.

Her plan for the Vale worked. Her plan with LF was probably thinking that Jon wouldn't do something stupid as fuck like running towards the entire Bolton army by himself and going against their entire plan..

They gave up trying to show that, it was causing too many headaches and fucking with pacing.



I totally understand and agree with their approach.
I agree with their choice as well. People want their cake and eat it too. It's just not feasible with this many main characters.
 
The Citadel is a university. It doesn't have prisons or jails.

It has cells for sick people.

It's as much a hospital as it is a library and university.
 

hoos30

Member
My biggest nitpick about GoT is how bad they are at showing the passage of time.

But you don't really want it to be faithful to time. The whole Dany escapade takes place largely because she has to wait for the other characters to catch up. Now, imagine every story line had the same issue.

[Sir Davos is skipping Season 5 because he is traveling from Dragonstone to the Wall.]
 
More importantly though, I like to imagine Jorah was sitting in there like "I'm gonna burst my arm through out this hole when the food guy comes, it'll scare the shit out of him."

What a prankster. You gotta find the lighter side of life, ya know? When you're dying of greyscale, especially.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
Guys, Jorah left Meereen in season 6 episode 5. That's a mighty long head start. In one episode you can see scenes that take place weeks apart, but Jorah being back in Westeros before Dany isn't really odd at all.
 

Steejee

Member
I'd be curious what the result would be if someone tried to map out all the timelines for the characters. Like, would they be *way* out of sync, or reasonably close if you fudge a few of the numbers?

Guys, Jorah left Meereen in season 6 episode 5. That's a mighty long head start. In one episode you can see scenes that take place weeks apart, but Jorah being back in Westeros before Dany isn't really odd at all.

Plus he just needs to hitch a ride on any boat heading to Oldtown, not organize an armada that is sailing in formation.
 
Jesus, I mean you can idenfity the protagonists more clearly this season because all of them got new haircuts, brand new skin treatment, new clothes and super clean compared to the rest of the people.

That the main thing I dont like on this episode on the main characters, now Arya suddendly became Uber OP with and the writer didnt care to make her go on low profile, put her on a big horse, a big sword and lets put some innocense on her regardles of the crap she endured previous seasons
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
Jesus, I mean you can idenfity the protagonists more clearly this season because all of them got new haircuts, brand new skin treatment, new clothes and super clean compared to the rest of the people.

That the main thing I dont like on this episode on the main characters, now Arya suddendly became Uber OP with and the writer didnt care to make her go on low profile, put her on a big horse, a big sword and lets put some innocense on her regardles of the crap she endured previous seasons
Say what now
 

Sephzilla

Member
Guys, Jorah left Meereen in season 6 episode 5. That's a mighty long head start. In one episode you can see scenes that take place weeks apart, but Jorah being back in Westeros before Dany isn't really odd at all.

Damn, was it really that soon? My memory makes me think it was closer to the end of the season
 

KooopaKid

Banned
Great episode as usual. Minutes fly by as usual! This doesn't happen with a lot of TV shows.
Small nitpick: the little scene when Sam found the dragon glass location was poorly done.
 
Keeping him locked up may be to protect other people from him too...

1. It's highly contagious.

2. It eventually turns you into one of the stone people and makes you go mad, and thus, a higher chance of spreading the disease.

If Sam Tarly takes an interest in him, he'll probably find a cure. He seems to actually give a shit about people and is pretty efficient on doing his research.

Yeah, Sam seems to be taking care of sick people there. He's collecting bed pans and serving meals to people too ill to do so themselves. Jorah is quarantined because the grayscale is so contagious. This is the best place for him to be cured.

also don't forget, that Jorah's father Jeor was lord commander of the Night's Watch. In a way, Jeor was more of a father to Sam than his actual father ever was. So once/if Sam gets to know that patient better, I think he will care more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0BD-CFVZ1w
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
also don't forget, that Jorah's father Jeor was lord commander of the Night's Watch. In a way, Jeor was more of a father to Sam than his actual father ever was. So once/if Sam gets to know that patient better, I think he will care more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0BD-CFVZ1w

It's not really Sam's job to actually treat the sick, he just cleans after them and feeds them. Sam doesn't really know anything about medicine, anyway.
 
It's not really Sam's job to actually treat the sick, he just cleans after them and feeds them. Sam doesn't really know anything about medicine, anyway.
Doesn't mean he can't learn. He loves to read; he could easily just follow instructions in a book, if he finds info on how to cure greyscale but again what I was implying was that when/if he learns that the patient is Jorah, son of Jeor, he'll have his own personal incentive to help him.
 
My GF never watches this, but yesterday she decided to join me just when they started playing Sam's shit scene.

She is not watching it again :/
 
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