While Pocket Fighter DO HAVE revealing outfits, it avoids the sexualization by way of poses and making it all super deformed.
It was also the first mainstream fighting game with more women than men.
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If fighting games want to be mainstream esports, they need less fanservice
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While Pocket Fighter DO HAVE revealing outfits, it avoids the sexualization by way of poses and making it all super deformed.
It was also the first mainstream fighting game with more women than men.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
"Stupid sexy Cammy. "
Okay for real tho, people are exposed to violence everyday on television. But a bit of T and A is bit much? Why is that in the west?
Okay for real tho, people are exposed to violence everyday on television. But a bit of T and A is bit much? Why is that in the west?
And if the SFV art team was working on FighterZ, they'd probably look like this:
(yes those are real, from a toy line called DB Gals in Japan. Just gross.)
Yea, this and ARMS the only games that come to mind off the top of my head. But yea like the others said, only 18 is a safe bet really to actually make it into the game since the only other prominent female characters just got introduced, so it barely counts lmao...
yanipheonu
Member
Actually I figure it'd make sense to have an eSports specific costume.
Something like "what if the fighters were in the Olympics?" They can still be form fitting, but more functional and professional.
You could even go for full sponsored outfits vetting a sponsor of the tournament if they wanted to get more money out of it. Plus you'd be less likely for ESPN to turn their nose up if the sponsor approved of a specific costume. "It's what they wanted."
Something like "what if the fighters were in the Olympics?" They can still be form fitting, but more functional and professional.
You could even go for full sponsored outfits vetting a sponsor of the tournament if they wanted to get more money out of it. Plus you'd be less likely for ESPN to turn their nose up if the sponsor approved of a specific costume. "It's what they wanted."
This is a common complaint that has been addressed multiple times in this thread already. If you want answers, read earlier pages.
Theonik
Member
Sure brah. Let us open a celebratory container of your choosing containing Mtn Dew. The chosen beverage of pros.
Sounds like you need a lesson in reading the posts you're replying to. Not what you want posts to say.
Choppasmith
Member
Yeah, this is a GREAT post. I'm a guy but I've had a similar criteria in games. If it's not something I would feel comfortable playing with my family around (mostly women btw), then the game isn't for me, and I guess being raised in a predominately female household for most of my life I've learned to have more respect for women and gravitate toward "strong" female characters.
If you guys genuinely think that this has more to do with USA TV studios being "shit" than it does to do with this kind of crap turning off a full half of the potential viewing audience, I don't know what else to tell you other than "you're wrong". I'll also throw in a "that shit's obnoxious" for you, too.
There are very legitimate reasons for not wanting that stuff on your channel that don't have to do with prudishness or just being "shit", whatever that means in your heads.
Hell, I wouldn't be against this. Obviously, it wouldn't be enough to get me to buy the game (I'd still want the default costumes changed before that'll happen), but it'd be a step forward, at the very least.
Thanks for speaking up.
It's very important that proponents of fanservice in games understand that they're not just fighting against the respectful treatment of women, but also the respect of the audience. It takes a certain lack of class to put stuff like that in your game without questioning or second-guessing any of it.
Okay, so the natural evolution of fighting games is a one-dimensional design philosophy - sex appeal. I'll sit here and wait for the next fighting game where all men are strippers, with the adequate (lack of) clothes, proportions, physics, poses, and camera angles (this is literally never happening, I wonder why!). Yeah. I'll keep calling it for what it is - a low effort attempt to make money. Polygonal breasts (or bulges or whatever) don't elevate the genre in any way.
It literally never ends.
We'll be fighting this battle twenty years from now. We'll have full-immersion VR and everyone will be running augmented reality built into their brains and we'll still be hearing the exact same bullshit justifications for stupid female character designs.
We'll be in a post-human, post-singularity world where a significant proportion of the population still ignores the sexism inherent in the treatment of such characters, and still continue to refer to the opposition as "prudes", despite the fact that such nudity has very little to do with sex at all.
Fun times (not).
Chingachgook
Banned
It's the west start in America as Puritin values. Which is a good things sometimes, but then a bad thing when people act like seeing a beautiful women's body is bad.
More T & A please, men & women, human form is art and should be enjoyed IMHO.
Guess Nintendo got lucky that Beyonetta spite is so small, so you can't see her sexiness... poor those little kids that see Beyonetta on Nintendo systems... scared for life...
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Chingachgook
Banned
There was a time in America that ART was respected and censorship was bad.... should fight for reasonable things in ART, keeps the world fun, alive, interesting. Not bland, boring, and forced to do what others expect....
toastyToast
Member
Those outfits look goofy as fuck. Chuns tits flapping about. Cammy booty all in the camera. What if she falls over?
I feel like there has to be a large contingency of people beating their dicks to this shit otherwise why would they care so much about characters wearing pants or actual supportive bras.
I feel like there has to be a large contingency of people beating their dicks to this shit otherwise why would they care so much about characters wearing pants or actual supportive bras.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
I will always give credit to Street fighter for one thing: no matter how scantly clad the girls may be, at least they have proper muscles going on.
So many fighting games have professional fighters with rail thin arms and legs and F cups, despite the characters occupation.
So many fighting games have professional fighters with rail thin arms and legs and F cups, despite the characters occupation.
When will the land of the free protect the sanctity of artsy titties... ;_;7 we're hurting here.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I sort of think so, but I do think that just in the broad sense that there could be better ways to handle this from a top down level so that users can't inadvertently select a banned outfit (for instance). For instance, Capcom could code in their own Disney XD/ESPN 2 compliant mode to make things super easy. Barring that, allow the console admins (in this case the tournament organizers) to set what outfits, characters, stages, etc. are allowed so that there can't be any confusion about it.
I've argued multiple times that I think this could be a useful thing outside of tourney concerns.
You're completely missing a good portion of history and what's allowed on TV and how stations vary in what they will allow.
Sports channels are generally family friendly entertainment, as sports are generally family friendly.
Nemesis121
Member
It's quite stupid, and i really don't understand it, i know parents who let their kids see R-Rated movies as long as it doesn't have sex/nudity, 12 year seeing people get shot up, decapitated is ok, but a tit on the screen, or some ass is crossing the line...
This is so easy to say knowing it will never happen, though. There's literally only one fighting game that kind of tries to do this, and that's DOA, funnily enough!
Don't worry! We'll continue to stay free in tournament settings ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Steve Youngblood
Member
Yeah. You're touching on something else I think people ignore: the fact that a censored, edited-for-tv version of an R-rated movie appears on broadcast television does not automatically mean that the original unedited version ceases to exist.
Er, I mean it's ArcSys.
That makes this.
I doubt any team from Capcom would've sexualized them for the heck of it.
BudokaiMR2
Member
He doesn't do that anymore, though. He got CENSORED by American Puritans!
Street Fighter.
Funny enough, The King of Fighters XIII brought back in destructible clothing for Art of Fighting characters, if they got KO'd by a projectile.
In the Art of Fighting games, both males and females had destructible clothing. In The King of Fighters XIII, only the women.
Things were actually getting worse.
Dunno if this applies to The King of Fighters XIV.
Try changing "boobs and asses" for "tactful and less embarrassing representation of women in video games" in your mind every time you see those words and all these threads will start making more sense to you, I promise.
Chingachgook
Banned
Lay down. That's what happens, people just lay down and let others make the choices.
Thank God First Person Shooters did'nt lay down to those who tried to ban it's genrea!
Why should we lay down for another genrea?! Kids ok to play COD but GOD FORBID they see Cammy's butt...
!?How is Street Fighter not family friendly? Kids play this game all the time. You can accept the "perception" that Cammy is ruining the family friendliness or you can push back and say "Reasonable Art" deserves freedom of expression.
BTW if you think all sports are family friendly in a sexuality look, then please ban Women's Beach Volley Ball, or Girl Gymnastics.
These gymnastics pictures are just found with a simple google search of women's Gymnastics:
Chingachgook
Banned
Tactful and less embarrassing is boring, with that we would never have had Madonna (Well maybe that would have been a good thing)
Tactful and less embarrassing would have stopped some of the great renaissance art we enjoy today!
Your tactful and embarrassing today is low level unrealized censorship.
Now I'm not advocating for no-hold-bars for ART.
However, Cammy's butt and women's FORM should stopped being looked down upon in this manner of tactful and embarrassing. Why? Becuase many women draw power from their good looks. And good for them! It's a personal choice every women (Or man) has to choose.
And geez its just pictures, its just Art, ya can fight to protect it, or you can lay down and be tactful and not embarrassing... SMH
petran79
Banned
Fanart that is included in the game is even worse. Especially with characters like Rachel and Platinum. That artwork is certainly not made for T rating
What kind of ridiculous question is that?
They want money. The fastest way to grow an e-sport is reach, and obviously doubling down on a niche is the opposite of increasing your reach, so yes, they bloody well want to be mainstream e-sports.
Even LoL has been getting much better about their female representation over time. It was a long time coming, but they finally switched gears from "every female character is sexy by default (except yordles and children)" to "every female character should be allowed to be distinct in their own right". HUGE IMPROVEMENT. They still have that massive backlog of generically sexy women, but at least they're actually putting in the effort.
Capcom is doing the opposite and actively sliding backwards. No one should be pleased by this. It's actually insulting how low they've sunk in recent years. The fact that League of Legends is courting viewer counts in the millions while SF is still in the hundred-thousand range should be enough to give them envy, and Riot's improving female representation (not to mention their strict no-tolerance policy for scummy behavior) are big parts of that.
Why only girls, though? Why not bare-assed Nash, Ryu, Ken, Dhalsim, Rashid, FANG, Abigail, Akuma, etc.? Why no close up to the dudes' butts and crotches? Why no realistic bulge and pec bouncing? Why no summer speedo pack for all/most of the male cast? Can you at least try to answer this?
Maybe only giant anime tits can Push Artistic Vision Forward :0
Same, but with my son.
Women tell me these designs make them feel uncomfortable. That's enough. There is, for me, no argument that can be made against that. I can't teach my kid that this portrayal of women is acceptable. I certainly can't teach him that ignoring the experiences of people who are not me is acceptable.
This is such a weird last sentence. What if she does fall over?
I mean it's not just Cammy's butt, they made sure to let you see the actual edge of her butthole. That's pretty intense.
toastyToast
Member
Unsheathed ass scraping the cold pavement. You do the math bro
Chingachgook
Banned
Easy, men are proven scientifically to be more stimulated with visuals than women. It's biology. Women know this, and good for them, again it's empowering to the vast majority. Thats why they wear make-up, that's why they have so many different outfit choices... not to sound mean, but seriously I'm sure you know this...
It's not about being equal, in rights yes we are equal, however in biology both sexes have differences that are good.
It's a video game. Every character gets smacked into the ground and hit with fireballs lmao
She's not real