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[Dusk Golem]

I know a couple of had these scenes, but do they actually add anything?

I mean one was some guy on a phone, the other was the douchbag son being a knob to some girls.

Well the first time it happens (Part 5) is when we meet Richard, and there's actually almost 10 minutes more of episode after the roadhouse scene is over.

the one you mean is Part 7, in that one the 'some guy' is Jacques Renault's brother played by the same actor (Jacques Renault was the guy that Leland smothered with a pillow in Season 1 of the show, and then we met a brother of his when he took over One-Eyed Jack's and Cooper and the police had to infiltrate it to stop him, this is apparently the third brother but it's played by the actor who played Jacques Renault himself, now playing his third brother).

Part 8 is obvious it wasn't the end of the episode.

Part 9 had rash girl if I recall correctly.

 

[g11]

I know a couple of had these scenes, but do they actually add anything?

I mean one was some guy on a phone, the other was the douchbag son being a knob to some girls.

In the original series I always felt The Bang Bang Bar and The Roadhouse acted like gathering halls. They bring together a characters and threads that didn't really have any business coming together while hinting at interconnections that exist in a small town but aren't totally relevant to the story being told. In The Return, yeah, I think it doubles as a venue for Lynch to have music and bands he likes playing songs that may vaguely mirror either events or at least the feeling of the episode, but it's also giving us hints of story and connections too. We first get introduced to Richard Horne there and get to see what a piece of shit he is, but we also get the first glimpses of him being in business with Chad, the deputy everyone loves to hate. The scene with the druggy girls is giving us hints of just how bad the drug situation in Twin Peaks has got, and the state they are in bears more than a passing resemblance to shambolic appearance of the druggy Mom in the Rancho Rosa development in Vegas, once again giving us a glimpse of connections between the two places and potentially foreshadowing more.

 

[WriterGK]

It's kinda true, I mean people have convinced themselves Firefly was anything other than average cause it was cancelled.

Well those people are just plain dumb/stupid or they have never watched Firefly. They probably say that about Carnivale too right? They are either stupid or didn't watch it...

 

[31GhostsIV]

So next episode -

Will people be able to say in the literal sense "Cooper didn't show up until the eleventh hour?"

I've seen the idea that Coop is 'coming back' in episode 12 mentioned on reddit a few times, not sure where this theory comes from though.

 

[liquidtmd]

So next episode -

Will people be able to say in the literal sense "Cooper didn't show up until the eleventh hour?"

I've seen the idea that Coop is 'coming back' in episode 12 mentioned on reddit a few times, not sure where this theory comes from though.

Legit question - wasn't Reddit just basing that on the title 'Let's Rock'?

 

[Deleted member 80556]

I know a couple of had these scenes, but do they actually add anything?

I mean one was some guy on a phone, the other was the douchbag son being a knob to some girls.

And 9 introduced a couple new characters. You can skip if you want, but don't say that you don't understand who are these people and why they didn't introduce them afterwards!

 

[Kadayi]

We're going to see a congruence of plots. That leak of

Spoiler

'Candie'

seems to suggest that we are going to get more of the Las Vegas Mobsters, which I hazard will mean an attempted hit on Dougie, which will likely go south in some fashion either as a result of Lodge interference, the FBI/Police becoming aware of Dougies true identity and interceding and possibly Candie turning out to be more than she seems (which is my guess).

 

[The Elite]

I bet Let's Rock takes place entirely in the Bang Bang bar.

 

[terrible]

I bet Let's Rock takes place entirely in the Bang Bang bar.

A 60 minute battle of the bands episode that ends on a cliffhanger and we never find out who won.

I'd still watch it.

 

[31GhostsIV]

We're going to see a congruence of plots. That leak of

Spoiler

'Candie'

seems to suggest that we are going to get more of the Las Vegas Mobsters, which I hazard will mean an attempted hit on Dougie, which will likely go south in some fashion either as a result of Lodge interference, the FBI/Police becoming aware of Dougies true identity and interceding and possibly Candie turning out to be more than she seems (which is my guess).

In one of the early preview videos on YouTube, there's a blurry shot of Cole in the desert at the end. Assuming this is part of the story (and not just a visual reminder Lynch is directing) I would wager this is where Coop wakes up - after an attempted hit in the Nevada desert.

Found it: https://youtu.be/SfPv57KBpJI?t=38s

Of course I'm probably completely wrong.

I bet Let's Rock takes place entirely in the Bang Bang bar.

After the triumphant return of the Roadhouse cleaner for 50 minutes, Eddie Vedder takes to the stage. "Good evening Roadhouse! Let's rock!". Then he plays his ukulele for 5 minutes over the credits.

 

[Hitmeneer]

Wow obnoxious and pretentious

Some people seem to be very defensive about Twin Peaks Season 3.

I am not a millennial, I'm above 30, and I watched Twin Peaks for the first time three years ago and I loved it. My GF watched it for the first time when she was 10 and re-watched it with me and is a massive fan.

Both of us are not sold on Season 3 so far. To me there is not enough progression and coherence and too many characters (which results in a lack of focus). Furthermore, I miss the real Twin Peaks vibe of the mysterious forest and the small town community. I also think that sometimes there is too much style difference between different episodes / scenes in this season. Also the female nudity seems to be forced and out of place.

Every time someone has criticism, people start blaming the person for "not understanding it" or "not having the patience to appreciate the amazing cinematography / art".

I watch it as a person that wants to see a good TV series, a continuation of Twin Peaks, not art or something that tries to be progressive. So far it is for me a personal disappointment.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

In one of the early preview videos on YouTube, there's a blurry shot of Cole in the desert at the end. Assuming this is part of the story (and not just a visual reminder Lynch is directing) I would wager this is where Coop wakes up - after an attempted hit in the Nevada desert.

Found it: https://youtu.be/SfPv57KBpJI?t=38s

Of course I'm probably completely wrong.

Huh

Huh

Huh


This could be something.

 

[EGM1966]

A 60 minute battle of the bands episode that ends on a cliffhanger and we never find out who won.

I'd still watch it.

I've liked every band so far thus so would I.

 

[Poimandres]

Every time someone has criticism, people start blaming the person for "not understanding it" or "not having the patience to appreciate the amazing cinematography / art".

I think you expressed your views quite well, and surely no one can get defensive over a personal disappointment.

There is a bit of mud being slung in both directions, sadly. People who like the new season are blind Lynch zealots, people who don't are closed minded.

Best advice is to try and express yourself without being judgemental of others. There's plenty to discuss here without needing to hand wave any dissenting opinions.

 

[31GhostsIV]

Something I'm still trying to understand from the premier (I think hour 2).

In the S2 finale, we're introduced to the concept of doppelgängers with this:

At the time, I didn't believe TMFAP had a doppelgänger, and that he was just illustrating their existence for the benefit of Coop (and the audience).

Of course, roll on S3 and The Arm has his own angry Dalek sound-a-like clone with a gold head. Why? Why would The Arm have one but not MIKE? Why would Lodge spirits have doppelgängers and what the hell must BOB's shadow self be like?

And even then, why would BadArm be in cahoots with BadCoop and BOB, neither of whom have entered the Lodge in 25 years?

If anyone here has any theories for this i'd be really interested to read them.

 

[Airola]

GoT ate everyone's lunch, and most of Twin Peaks viewership comes from DVR, streaming and reairs during the week.

Well at least in Finland Twin Peaks: The Return isn't even in the "most popular" section of HBO Nordic. So I'm not sure it's even streamed that much. I think if it really was as succesfull as some say it is, it should be right now one of the "most popular" titles.

I'd be interested to know how it is in other countries though. Maybe it's better.

I think the show could be said to be succesfull in that it probably has been bought to tons of streaming sites and tv channels, so Showtime could've gotten their money back, but that doesn't yet mean lots of people continue watching the show. I can imagine huge amounts of people getting an HBO subscription because of Twin Peaks but I can also imagine lots of people quitting the show after a few episodes.

I can definitely see the appeal for hardcore Lynch and Twin Peaks fans but I'm not really seeing what the appeal would be for anyone beyond that. And I can even see how some hardcore Twin Peaks fans would not like the show. I didn't like the first two episodes and was really disappointed (but still willing to watch the whole show because I've been a fan for over 25 years) and while I was able to start to enjoy it from episode 3 onwards I understand if many Twin Peaks fans don't like it at all.

Season 3 is basically a show that you are able to enjoy only if you enjoyed watching Dell Mibbler walking around at the bank and Josie on the drawer pull. I'm not sure those things were enjoyed by the more casual viewers apart from the bigger fans of the original show. And even when I loved those scenes I mentioned, I still was really disappointed by the first two episodes. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if the overall viewer numbers among different platforms are more lukewarm than hot.

 

[31GhostsIV]

Well at least in Finland Twin Peaks: The Return isn't even in the "most popular" section of HBO Nordic. So I'm not sure it's even streamed that much. I think if it really was as succesfull as some say it is, it should be right now one of the "most popular" titles.

It's always in the 'trending' section of Now TV (Sky UK's online catch up service). This week was the first time i'd not seen it at the top, because GoT was back on.

But can we please stop with the ratings talk? Ratings are a story when say, WWE Raw is sinking to new lows and facing the possibility of future cancellation, or Hannibal hits the skids ahead of time. But this is a 'limited series event', it's all going to air, and those who do enjoy it lose nothing because of the bad ratings. It's a non-story and distracts from discussing the show itself.

And yes I realise just a few posts ago I told someone not to waste his time making the same point.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Some people seem to be very defensive about Twin Peaks Season 3.

I am not a millennial, I'm above 30, and I watched Twin Peaks for the first time three years ago and I loved it. My GF watched it for the first time when she was 10 and re-watched it with me and is a massive fan.

FYI, if you're 35 or younger, you're a Millennial. "Above 30" isn't the cut off, haha.

 

[afternoon delight]

I love Twin Peaks, I love Lynch, have for over a decade now, but I still find the Return more plodding than what I would have wanted. Oh well, it's not the end of the world. Yes, I understand this is the odyssey he and friends intended, but there's not enough of the actual town and warmth for me to feel like I'll binge watch it with the other two seasons.

Just my dos centos.

 

[Daffy Duck]

A lot of people seem to hate-watch this show. It's bizarre.

"I hate Dougie! Why is there music at the end? This is nothing like the old Twin Peaks! It's insulting to the fans! Chrysta Bell is an abomination! The ratingz!


...I'll see you next week when I watch my eleventh hour of it and head here to type my displeasure"

I don't hate the show at all, I am confused as to what these final scenes add though, they don't seem to add anything.....

 

[Alpende]

A lot of people seem to hate-watch this show. It's bizarre.

"I hate Dougie! Why is there music at the end? This is nothing like the old Twin Peaks! It's insulting to the fans! Chrysta Bell is an abomination! The ratingz!


...I'll see you next week when I watch my eleventh hour of it and head here to type my displeasure"

How does his reaction to the music scenes in any way make it seem like he's hate watching? He's just asking a question which is perfectly fine. When the music scenes start I know the episode is about to end.

 

[VistraNorrez]

My favorite Twin Peaks moments are mostly in this new season. So I'm very grateful they returned. But I'm more happy that Frost and Lynch were given the opportunity to finish the story they wanted to tell the way they wanted to tell it.

I don't really care if I like a piece of art of anymore. I know I will find plenty of things I connect with. But what I've discovered is that the stuff I love most is when an artist is satisfied with what they created. The best way to get that is to support artists who stay true to themselves. I know that means I won't like many pieces, but that also means someone else will. I don't want to take that away from anyone.

My criticism is really only important to myself. It helps me understand what I like. I don't expect or want and artist to change because of me or anyone. They should only change if it makes sense to them.

 

[31GhostsIV]

How does his reaction to the music scenes in any way make it seem like he's hate watching? He's just asking a question which is perfectly fine. When the music scenes start I know the episode is about to end.

My post was directed more at the thread in general, in hindsight quoting him was probably a mistake.

Sorry Daffy, your comment just happened to be at the tail end of negative posts and I guess I took it the wrong way.

I am still finding the thread frustrating for those reasons though.

 

[g11]

Something I'm still trying to understand from the premier (I think hour 2).

In the S2 finale, we're introduced to the concept of doppelgängers with this:

At the time, I didn't believe TMFAP had a doppelgänger, and that he was just illustrating their existence for the benefit of Coop (and the audience).

Of course, roll on S3 and The Arm has his own angry Dalek sound-a-like clone with a gold head. Why? Why would The Arm have one but not MIKE? Why would Lodge spirits have doppelgängers and what the hell must BOB's shadow self be like?

And even then, why would BadArm be in cahoots with BadCoop and BOB, neither of whom have entered the Lodge in 25 years?

If anyone here has any theories for this i'd be really interested to read them.

Unfortunately I have no sound theories for this myself but I've been thinking about it recently as well. A friend of mine started watching Twin Peaks for the first time about a year ago and was recently catching up and getting ready for The Return by watching FWWM and The Missing Pieces for the first time and at one point flat out asked me if The Arm/TMFAP was "good" or "bad" and I honestly couldn't answer that question. He's definitely helped Cooper before in the series but in the series and FWWM, he seems at time to be in league with or at least ambivalent toward Bob, and yet in FWWM we see him at the table with Bob in the meeting without Mike present, but later see TMFAP touch Mike where his arm used to be and in unison they tell Bob "I want all my garmonbozia" and we know Mike is out to stop Bob. I guess the only answer that makes sense is TMFAP is with Mike and so Bob created a doppelganger of TMFAP to maybe hold things down in the Red Room while Bob is outside. It definitely seems like Bob is the only one that can create doppelgangers which suggests even among Lodge residents Bob is special or more powerful.

Not that it helps much with this situation, but as we know from seeing DoppelCoop, in our world doppelgangers have black irises while in the Red Room/Lodges it seems like doppelgangers have milky irises. That would mean from the original series there was a Leland doppelganger in the Red Room, but I don't think Leland ever had black irises in the real world, so that was just real Leland possessed or whatever by Bob.

 

[VistraNorrez]

I don't hate the show at all, I am confused as to what these final scenes add though, they don't seem to add anything.....

You could say this about any art, and it's especially easy when it's something you don't like. "What does it add?" isn't constructive in anyway.

For me the music scenes add a bow to the present that is each part. It often has thematic relevance and has been used in this season to subvert expectation. So it both ties up episodes and opens new places to go. They are mood pieces that prepare the viewer for many different things. Mood is incredibly important to David Lynch.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

You could say this about any art, and it's especially easy when it's something you don't like. "What does it add?" isn't constructive in anyway.

For me the music scenes add a bow to the present that is each part. It often has thematic relevance and has been used in this season to subvert expectation. So it both ties up episodes and opens new places to go. They are mood pieces that prepare the viewer for many different things. Mood is incredibly important to David Lynch.

Exactly. That's their whole point, but I totally get why people are upset they eat into the runtime. Some of them feel like 5+ minutes long, which is a hefty chunk.

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

Where are Sarah and Leland? We only got one scene of Sarah, I'd like to see more. Everyone feels like a cameo so far, etc. etc.

You could say this about any art, and it's especially easy when it's something you don't like. "What does it add?" isn't constructive in anyway.

For me the music scenes add a bow to the present that is each part. It often has thematic relevance and has been used in this season to subvert expectation. So it both ties up episodes and opens new places to go. They are mood pieces that prepare the viewer for many different things. Mood is incredibly important to David Lynch.

I would agree with this if it's only happened once or twice. But to happen 7-8 times out of 10 episodes is a little ridiculous.

I mean, I don't fully know the story as to why Lynch ended up getting 18 hours (wasn't it going to be 9 originally?) but honestly so far everything feels like he's just padding it out. The pacing/editing is very inconsistent and the musical performances don't help.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Where are Sarah and Leland? We only got one scene of Sarah, I'd like to see more. Everyone feels like a cameo so far, etc. etc.

One of the trailers showed her in a different scene than the one we saw.

 

[uncle_koploski]

My favorite part of the run is how unpredictable it is. I love the variances in tone and editing depending on the content at hand. That's what life is, and David Lynch captures that spontaneity.

I think it is a great change of pace to typical plot-arch television. Episode 8, for example, was revolutionary in my mind.

The only thing I dislike about this Season 3 is that it is going to end.

 

[VistraNorrez]

Where are Sarah and Leland? We only got one scene of Sarah, I'd like to see more. Everyone feels like a cameo so far, etc. etc.



I would agree with this if it's only happened once or twice. But to happen 7-8 times out of 10 episodes is a little ridiculous.

I mean, I don't fully know the story as to why Lynch ended up getting 18 hours (wasn't it going to be 9 originally?) but honestly so far everything feels like he's just padding it out. The pacing/editing is very inconsistent and the musical performances don't help.

They've always been for mood, and evey song has had thematic relevance. Sometimes for that episode, sometimes for the series as a whole. Not sure how it's padding. Not everything has to be plot relevant. I'm not even sure why pacing matters to those scenes. They showcase complete songs (usually). They are paced to the song and they usually occur at the end. You can skip them, I suppose, or take a break. They don't slow down any Part.

And to subvert something you have to establish it as the norm. It has to occur way more often than not to defy expectation. I watch the whole performances because I don't know what to expect. It might just be a music video, or there could be character/plot moments in them. I find it interesting either way. And it's a good way for Lynch to make people watch the whole performance.

As for the 18 hours. I don't think they really knew how long it would take to tell. The script was like 400+ pages, but Lynch time isn't really apparent in script form. So typical measurements didn't apply here.

 

[ibrahima]

At the time, I didn't believe TMFAP had a doppelgänger, and that he was just illustrating their existence for the benefit of Coop (and the audience)

You should bear in mind that before this scene he says "When you see me again, it won't be me".

So yes I'd argue he does have a doppelganger, everyone does, including Mike. We only see certain ones where it's relevant to the plot or whatever idea Lynch is going with at the time, hence the Laura, Maddie and Leland doppelgangers.

 

[31GhostsIV]

Twin Peaks: The Return - A Podcast has an interview with Eamon Farren, aka everyone's favourite murderer/gran abuser Richard Horne: https://soundcloud.com/user-301352257/part-10

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

They've always been for mood, and evey song has had thematic relevance. Sometimes for that episode, sometimes for the series as a whole. Not sure how it's padding. Not everything has to be plot relevant. I'm not even sure why pacing matters to those scenes. They showcase complete songs (usually). They are paced to the song and they usually occur at the end. You can skip them, I suppose, or take a break. They don't slow down any Part.

I personally don't agree. Like, in the last episode when the song played and it showed the moon and then the outside of the Roadhouse, it had a great mood. But the moment it cut to the performance, it immediately felt like it was just a music video due to the cinematography and lighting. That's one of the reasons why, to me, the musical performances detract from the show. We don't need to see it in nearly every episode, when it rarely stands out on its own besides the music itself.

The mood can be present or amplified by literally anything else. Seeing indie rock bands, Nine Inch Nails, a singer-songwriter, etc. on stage doesn't really add much to the mood, in my opinion. It feels like a CW show, not Twin Peaks.

Anyways, that's just my opinion (man). I know I'm not alone in thinking that the music is a bad choice to end the episodes on, but no sense in continuing to bring it up.

 

[31GhostsIV]

We're going to see a congruence of plots. That leak of

Spoiler

'Candie'

seems to suggest that we are going to get more of the Las Vegas Mobsters, which I hazard will mean an attempted hit on Dougie, which will likely go south in some fashion either as a result of Lodge interference, the FBI/Police becoming aware of Dougies true identity and interceding and possibly Candie turning out to be more than she seems (which is my guess).

I'm still suspicious of Agent Preston - 'Tamara' in the book, Tammy in the show, on her desk name plate, even on the credits (FBI Agent Tammy Preston). I thought I was being a bit silly with this idea, but then I noticed that Becky is listed as Rebecca 'Becky' Burnett on the credits.

Is Candie Tamara undercover?

Before you shoot me down, we have the 'Detectives' Fusco in this show!

The mood can be present or amplified by literally anything else. Seeing indie rock bands, Nine Inch Nails, a singer-songwriter, etc. on stage doesn't really add much to the mood, in my opinion. It feels like a CW show, not Twin Peaks.
.

My man JoJo, NIN ain't the kind of band you find on a CW show!

It does remind me of the Peach Pit in the original 90210 - it fits in with the dark twisted-soap aesthetic. I'll just overlook that most of the characters are so poor they live in trailers without internet but can afford to go to these gigs every night.

Personally I enjoy the musical performances, and I can't see how the way filming was approached - one long movie - doesn't lend itself well to having a cliffhanger every fifty minutes or so.

Podcast mentioned above is mentioning the gated community Sylvia and Johnny live in - Ghostwood housing project maybe? Also, what's the point of a gated community if security will let screaming nutjob Richard Horne in?

 

[eXistor]

Where are Sarah and Leland? We only got one scene of Sarah, I'd like to see more. Everyone feels like a cameo so far, etc. etc.

The way I see it is we're getting glimpses of where the characters are now at this very moment and we're supposed to fill in the blanks based on what we see. Maybe we'll get some more scenes with the old crew here and there, but I'm not expecting anything significant out of those because I feel their parts were done in the original show. Sarah could actually have somewhat of a bigger part given that she's has spookyvision herself, but I don't really expect or even want more scenes with the old crew outside of a select few.

 

[3rdman]

Is it just me or has the color tone of the show gotten progressively warmer as the show has gone on? The first few episodes had an antiseptic (blue-ish) hue to it and now everything is "warming up". Just my imagination???

 

[Fenderputty]

My post was directed more at the thread in general, in hindsight quoting him was probably a mistake.

Sorry Daffy, your comment just happened to be at the tail end of negative posts and I guess I took it the wrong way.

I am still finding the thread frustrating for those reasons though.

People with varied opinions on a show that was bound to have varied opinions come to a forum to post about those opinions and you are frustrated by that?

This thread is a shit show, that's for sure.

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

My man JoJo, NIN ain't the kind of band you find on a CW show!

Haha, I did kind of regret writing NIN after posting it because that was the one performance I liked and that I felt added to the tone of the episode (plus it wasn't at the end).

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

Is it just me or has the color tone of the show gotten progressively warmer as the show has gone on? The first few episodes had an antiseptic (blue-ish) hue to it and now everything is "warming up". Just my imagination???

With the exception of episode 8, I had this feeling too actually since episode 6 or 7.

 

[Futureman]

Not that I care so much, but ratings are most certainly not meaningless. Lynch has said he isn't sure if this is the final TP season. Another season or movie probably won't happen if it's not profitable for Showtime.

 

[Airola]

You should bear in mind that before this scene he says "When you see me again, it won't be me".

Technically though the next time Cooper sees him it still is him. He says "wrong way" and only after that the doppelganger appears.

What comes to everyone, even Mike, having a doppelganger, the pictures Richard Beymer took from the set of the finale of S2 seem to imply that even Bob seems to have a doppelganger. I'm not sure through if Frank Silva was just goofing around with the contact lenses or if Bob with those eyes was actually supposed to be a thing.

Personally I'm not that fond of the idea of the Lodge folks also having doppelgangers. I really like the idea of only humans having them more interesting. The "doppelgangerness" kinda loses something when they are also applied to the Lodge folks. Hell, even the Lodge people kinda lose something too. If a doppelganger is supposed to be the "shadow self" of a person, often meaning some sort of a "metaphysical bad version", what a doppelganger of a Lodge spirit is supposed to be when it is already a metaphysical thing and might be evil from the get go?

 

[31GhostsIV]

Unfortunately I have no sound theories for this myself but I've been thinking about it recently as well. A friend of mine started watching Twin Peaks for the first time about a year ago and was recently catching up and getting ready for The Return by watching FWWM and The Missing Pieces for the first time and at one point flat out asked me if The Arm/TMFAP was "good" or "bad" and I honestly couldn't answer that question. He's definitely helped Cooper before in the series but in the series and FWWM, he seems at time to be in league with or at least ambivalent toward Bob, and yet in FWWM we see him at the table with Bob in the meeting without Mike present, but later see TMFAP touch Mike where his arm used to be and in unison they tell Bob "I want all my garmonbozia" and we know Mike is out to stop Bob. I guess the only answer that makes sense is TMFAP is with Mike and so Bob created a doppelganger of TMFAP to maybe hold things down in the Red Room while Bob is outside. It definitely seems like Bob is the only one that can create doppelgangers which suggests even among Lodge residents Bob is special or more powerful.

Not that it helps much with this situation, but as we know from seeing DoppelCoop, in our world doppelgangers have black irises while in the Red Room/Lodges it seems like doppelgangers have milky irises. That would mean from the original series there was a Leland doppelganger in the Red Room, but I don't think Leland ever had black irises in the real world, so that was just real Leland possessed or whatever by Bob.

While it doesn't explain Lodge Doppelgangers, the MFAP feeds on Garmonbozia as BOB does. There's some theories knocking around that the Owl Ring 'weds' someone to MIKE and his former Arm, so all of the 'wedded' subject's pain and suffering becomes their Garmonbozia. That's why Leland heads straight to the Lodge at the end of FWWM and MIke and the Arm are waiting their demanding their share as Laura put the ring on forcing Leland/BOB's hand to murder her ("Don't make me do this!").

Then BOB throws blood across the floor (a scene echoed when the Woodsman cracks open the radio DJ's head in Part 8) and it becomes sweet cream corn good(bad)ness.

Now the Lodge spirits are helping Good Coop because Bad Coop and BOB are breaking Lodge rules and hoarding all of the sweet pain and sorrow for themselves, and Good Coop can help them with that by vanquishing both back to the Lodge.

Still doesn't cover DoppelArm though.

 

[Airola]

It's always in the 'trending' section of Now TV (Sky UK's online catch up service). This week was the first time i'd not seen it at the top, because GoT was back on.

Good to know

But can we please stop with the ratings talk? Ratings are a story when say, WWE Raw is sinking to new lows and facing the possibility of future cancellation, or Hannibal hits the skids ahead of time. But this is a 'limited series event', it's all going to air, and those who do enjoy it lose nothing because of the bad ratings. It's a non-story and distracts from discussing the show itself.

And yes I realise just a few posts ago I told someone not to waste his time making the same point.

Would you be saying this if the show had amazingly great ratings and people would like to talk about that?

I think talking and speculating about the ratings is one aspect of the show as a talking subject and people should be allowed to talk about that if they feel that is a thing they want to talk about. Even back in the day with the original series the ratings definitely were a talking point throughout the show.

Also as it has been said earlier, they have said it would not be impossible to continue the show further past the third season and they said it would depend on how the show would be received. So the situation is pretty much exactly the same as during the first season of the original series. They saw the ratings going down and didn't know if the show would ever continue past season 1. Mark Frost got to know only a few days before the finale of season 1 that the show would continue.

Speculating about the ratings now is quite much the same as speculating about the ratings back then.

 

[poppos2097]

I'm not sure through if Frank Silva was just goofing around with the contact lenses or if Bob with those eyes was actually supposed to be a thing.

There is a snippet of cut footage showing him saying "Fire walk with me" while crouching with doppelganger-MFAP in the bluray box set, so it was at some point a thing. I agree with you though and it's a good explanation for that being dropped.

 

[Airola]

There is a snippet of cut footage showing him saying "Fire walk with me" while crouching with doppelganger-MFAP in the bluray box set, so it was at some point a thing. I agree with you though and it's a good explanation for that being dropped.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot that! There indeed is filmed material of Bob having those eyes. Not from the series though as it was from the movie, but still!

 

[Slaythe]

Good to know



Would you be saying this if the show had amazingly great ratings and people would like to talk about that?

I think talking and speculating about the ratings is one aspect of the show as a talking subject and people should be allowed to talk about that if they feel that is a thing they want to talk about. Even back in the day with the original series the ratings definitely were a talking point throughout the show.

Also as it has been said earlier, they have said it would not be impossible to continue the show further past the third season and they said it would depend on how the show would be received. So the situation is pretty much exactly the same as during the first season of the original series. They saw the ratings going down and didn't know if the show would ever continue past season 1. Mark Frost got to know only a few days before the finale of season 1 that the show would continue.

Speculating about the ratings now is quite much the same as speculating about the ratings back then.

No it isn't.

This is a 25 years later follow up to a show that already struggled with cancellation and subpar movie success.

Could they continue if the experience is positive for Showtime (keep in mind they sold this to many countries for simulcast and has much more worldwide appeal than most of their other shows), I'm sure they could.

But it would be new grounds and new stories. This is the conclusion to the Laura and Dale stories, the ratings have absolutely nothing to do with it. They never wrote this in hope of getting a season 4, getting another season would be a bonus, not something they intended.

So this isn't like a first season where you hope ratings stay up and you get another one. On top of that, we keep pointing out that yes the ratings are not super relevant for cable as long as the producer of the show is satisfied (through merchandising, export, subscriptions etc...), the only thing we heard from Showtime was positive so far, let's wait for them to comment once it's all said and done to establish if this series is a success or failure.

 

[poppos2097]

Oh yeah, I totally forgot that! There indeed is filmed material of Bob having those eyes. Not from the series though as it was from the movie, but still!

I had been thinking it was filmed for the s2 finale, but it would definitely work as a fragment that Lynch decided not to throw into Missing Pieces for some reason.

 

[big ander]

I don't hate the show at all, I am confused as to what these final scenes add though, they don't seem to add anything.....

I know a couple of had these scenes, but do they actually add anything?

I mean one was some guy on a phone, the other was the douchbag son being a knob to some girls.

they add good music shot beautifully. what in the hell does it mean to "add" to a work of art. how did people who treat art like high school algebra even get into this show? I'm honestly not trying to be dismissive I'm curious. like if your approach to art is "well every moment better have an explicit surface-level textual purpose tying into readily legible and blatantly stated THEMES or else" how did you enjoy the first thirty two hours of this? it's always been a show about mysticism and happenstance and unconventional personal philosophies and food and friendship and trees and a war over the soul of humanity and the incomprehensible forces that rule our lives and the purity/impurity of good and evil in the world. it has never ever been a show where A-plot + B-plot = Thematic Lesson.

A lot of people seem to hate-watch this show. It's bizarre.

"I hate Dougie! Why is there music at the end? This is nothing like the old Twin Peaks! It's insulting to the fans! Chrysta Bell is an abomination! The ratingz!


...I'll see you next week when I watch my eleventh hour of it and head here to type my displeasure"

basically this. except bell she's awful. (okay I have to admit she was alright this week!)

 

[Vectorman]

So actually being critical of this season is hate-watching now. Cool. Listen people should be able to enjoy it but should also be open to constructive criticism. Sure people are saying one-worded insults about this season but there's alot of us that are being reasonable and articulate with our current disappointments so far.

 

[Levito]

So actually being critical of this season is hate-watching now. Cool.

And last week fans of this season were referred to as "Trump supporters" in this thread.


Y'all need to calm down.