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Skiptastic

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Okay, so this was incredibly fun but the one thing about all of these terrible ideas: I hesitate to believe that Lord &Miller (no matter how big of SW fans they are) would sign on to do a movie with terrible ideas like that.

Now I could be 100% wrong, but that hasn't really been their style. They take premises that sound awful, but have good ideas and are written well enough for them to make magic.
 
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BobTheFork

Member
Skiptastic said:
Okay, so this was incredibly fun but the one thing about all of these terrible ideas: I hesitate to believe that Lord &Miller (no matter how big of SW fans they are) would sign on to do a movie with terrible ideas like that.

Now I could be 100% wrong, but that hasn't really been their style. They take premises that sound awful, but have good ideas and are written well enough for them to make magic.
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I don't think director's for these 'universe' movies get that kind of freedom.

Even if they have some good stuff of their own, some of the terrible ideas Mike and Rich had feel like the kind of shit the stupid demands is put in.

I'm exceptionally cynical though.
 
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Syder

Member
That video was great. Goes to show that there's pretty much nothing they can do with this Han Solo film that isn't just a cynical cash-in.
 
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ultracal31

You don't get to bring friends.
Fun video

My main thought:

- I'm leaning towards Mike being 90% correct, espeically with the kessac run being more like a podrace thing which has already been established in the universe

- they don't really show black holes in SW so Rich version is out of the window

- I'm going with no jedi though, mostly cause Han is still doesn't believe in New Hope so him seeing a Jedi earlier on in his life doens't make sense (but it IS STUPID)

BUT even stupider ideas I've pitched to a coworker:

- need the Owen Lars instead of Luke cameo cause thats stupider.

- love interest will be frozen in the carbonite and dies in it which sets up how empire throw back about Han may not survive the process
 
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Skiptastic

Member
BobTheFork said:
I don't think director's for these 'universe' movies get that kind of freedom.

Even if they have some good stuff of their own, some of the terrible ideas Mike and Rich had feel like the kind of shit the stupid demands is put in.

I'm exceptionally cynical though.
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I agree that they wouldn't necessarily have the freedom to make wholesale changes. I'm saying I don't think they would have taken the project on if the script had all of these terrible ideas.

Plus I don't feel like The Force Awakens had the R1 kinds of call backs and "tie this directly back to ANH" stuff in it. And Kasdan wrote TFA and this, but not R1. So I don't think he'd be bringing terrible ideas like this to his script.

I'm exceptionally blinded by my faith in Lord and Miller though :lol
 
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BobTheFork

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Skiptastic said:
I agree that they wouldn't necessarily have the freedom to make wholesale changes. I'm saying I don't think they would have taken the project on if the script had all of these terrible ideas.

Plus I don't feel like The Force Awakens had the R1 kinds of call backs and "tie this directly back to ANH" stuff in it. And Kasdan wrote TFA and this, but not R1. So I don't think he'd be bringing terrible ideas like this to his script.

I'm exceptionally blinded by my faith in Lord and Miller though :lol
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I mean, regardless of who ever directed this, they are going to show how Han won the Falcon and of course how he met Chewbacca.

Those kind of moment never needed to be shown and it feels so forced; if they come up with a interesting way to do it, then I'll be impressed.
 
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Skiptastic

Member
BobTheFork said:
I mean, regardless of who ever directed this, they are going to show how Han won the Falcon and of course how he met Chewbacca.

Those kind of moment never needed to be shown and it feels so forced; if they come up with a interesting way to do it, then I'll be impressed.
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Very true.
 
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killamajig

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The Scollard said:
Or we can go with the more likely explanation: that Rich has been eating Mike's fat folds for sustenance.
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CrocMother

Banned
Syder said:
That video was great. Goes to show that there's pretty much nothing they can do with this Han Solo film that isn't just a cynical cash-in.
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It's nothing but a blatant cash in. It could still be entertaining, but this movie in the context of the star wars universe did not need to be made.
 
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Freeza Under The Shower

Member
maybe they can re-create the 'han shot first' shootout with Jar Jar Binks.

PEW PEW
"messa shot firss...uurgh" *drops to the floor*

Would be even better if the villain of the heist actually was Jar Jar and that's the basically the climax ending scene. BOOM! HAN FUCKING SOLO, solving that prequel problem.

It's so stupid, you'll love it.
 
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marvelharvey

Member
If I'm at a movie theater and my options are

Screen A: A new Star Wars movie
Screen B: Redlettermedia speculating what could be in the new Star Wars movie

I will purchase a ticket for screen B. RLM videos have greater entertainment value than most of what Hollywood produces.
 
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jviggy43

Member
Man thu
Is fan fiction and universe background info is fucking cringe worthy awful. Rich basically said it best when he said that the fans have no imagination.
 
davepoobond

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
There is no way that movie ends as exciting as a smugglers race

It's going to be rogue one level of stupidity but even worse
 
TDLink

TDLink

Member
I can sadly see way too much of this (or stuff similar to this) happening.

A Han Solo adventure film -could- work but of course they're going to use it as an opportunity to show how Han gets the Falcon from Lando and/or meets Chewie and/or the Kessel Run. Like I think it's impossible for at least two of those three things to not be in this movie.

They really should just not do anything referenced in other movies and have it be its own adventure...but I fear that won't be the case.
 
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Cheerilee

Member
I always pictured the Kessel Run, with it's record stated by Han as a measurement of distance, not time, as being an asteroid field (or something similar, since C3PO puts bad odds on anyone surviving an asteroid field). It's not a boast about the Falcon's speed, it's a boast about the Falcon's handling.

The shortest route through an asteroid field would be a straight line, but that's clearly impossible. So the next shortest route would be whoever got the closest to a straight line. That's where handling comes in.

Some people set up some sort of race through this area. Han (or Lando) made an attempt through this course (knowing they had a ship with good handling), and while they didn't win the race, someone checked the odometer and saw that the Falcon set a course record for the least distance/the straightest line.

- Han introduces himself as Captain of the Falcon.
- Obi Wan asks if it's a fast ship.
- Han responds "You question it's speed? Have you not heard of the Falcon before now? It's rather famous. It set a course record in a prestigious race (although the actual record it set was for handling, but speed comes with the territory in racing). So yeah, it's fast."
 
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SpaceWolf

Banned
Despite loving Force Awakens, it's interesting to see it only took the release Rogue One for RLM to paint the people in charge of these movies as brain-dead, talentless corporate hacks utterly incapable of coming up with a single creative idea between them.
 
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daviyoung

Banned
SpaceWolf said:
Despite loving Force Awakens, it's interesting to see it only took the release Rogue One for RLM to paint the people in charge of these movies as brain-dead, talentless corporate hacks utterly incapable of coming up with a single creative idea between them.
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They gave TFA the benefit of the doubt. And the Plinkett review is far from loving it.
 
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Anth0ny

Member
Mike's initial reaction to TFA on that HITB was pure fucking joy. Probably the happiest I've ever seen him react to a movie. lol
 
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morningbus

Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
It's kind of amazing that there is probably going to be a significant amount of time spent in a 100 million dollar movie showing a thing that only exists because Lucas wanted a sci-fi unit of measurement and chose the wrong one.
 
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SCHUEY F1

Unconfirmed Member
Great vid. Hope they are somewhat correct.

I got into RLM a bit late so I've finally started working my way through old HitB and Best of Worsts. Good times!
 
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Vanpastel

Member
Cheerilee said:
I always pictured the Kessel Run, with it's record stated by Han as a measurement of distance, not time, as being an asteroid field (or something similar, since C3PO puts bad odds on anyone surviving an asteroid field). It's not a boast about the Falcon's speed, it's a boast about the Falcon's handling.

The shortest route through an asteroid field would be a straight line, but that's clearly impossible. So the next shortest route would be whoever got the closest to a straight line. That's where handling comes in.

Some people set up some sort of race through this area. Han (or Lando) made an attempt through this course (knowing they had a ship with good handling), and while they didn't win the race, someone checked the odometer and saw that the Falcon set a course record for the least distance/the straightest line.

- Han introduces himself as Captain of the Falcon.
- Obi Wan asks if it's a fast ship.
- Han responds "You question it's speed? Have you not heard of the Falcon before now? It's rather famous. It set a course record in a prestigious race (although the actual record it set was for handling, but speed comes with the territory in racing). So yeah, it's fast."
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I think that George Lucas is a hack who didn't know a parsec was a measure of distance.
 
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BigAT

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Anyone want to bet there is a throwaway line like:

HAN: "I bet I can do it in fewer parsecs than you."

LANDO: "Don't you mean lightsecs?"

HAN: "Oh right, I'm always getting those two confused."
 
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Affeinvasion

Member
Cheerilee said:
The shortest route through an asteroid field would be a straight line, but that's clearly impossible. So the next shortest route would be whoever got the closest to a straight line. That's where handling comes in.
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The funniest thing is that in real asteroid fields, the asteroids are all many kilometers apart.

My issue with the video: Mike and Rich blaming the fans for stuff like Han is from Corellia. The fans didn't come up with that. I actually wonder how far back it was established that Han was Corellian, though.

I also assume there is already stuff in the new canon that contradicts some of their (terrible) ideas. Like Lando has shown up in Star Wars Rebels already and he definitely didn't have a carbonite freezing gun (GOTCHA! You hack-frauds).
 
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Loris146

Member
BigAT said:
Anyone want to bet there is a throwaway line like:

HAN: "I bet I can do it in fewer parsecs than you."

LANDO: "Don't you mean lightsecs?"

HAN: "Oh right, I'm always getting those two confused."
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Yeah plus all the fan service they can put in 90 minutes.
 
Davey Cakes

Davey Cakes

Member
Rewatched the Rogue One review this morning.

In my honest opinion, these guys were 100% spot on about that movie. I'm almost taken aback by how much I agree with pretty much all of their points.

Worth watching? Absolutely, but it left no real impression on me. For TFA's flaws, it at least got the characters right.
 
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The Scollard

Member
SpaceWolf said:
Despite loving Force Awakens, it's interesting to see it only took the release Rogue One for RLM to paint the people in charge of these movies as brain-dead, talentless corporate hacks utterly incapable of coming up with a single creative idea between them.
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I think they were willing to give TFA the benefit of the doubt because it was competently made. It doesn't hold a candle to the original trilogy (because J.J. Abrams can't pace his movies well), but it's good and entertaining and works as a palate cleanser. I think the movie was "meh", but even I can admit it did those things well.

The problem is, with stuff like Rogue One, you had a movie that could have been something different, but ended up being loaded with fanservice and boring characters, and it makes the "safety" of TFA feel less like a palate cleanser after the prequels, and more like a template for the films going forward. Whatever differences Rogue One had weren't any interesting new directions, but instead it failing to live up to any of its predecessors. I would prefer watching Revenge of the Sith to Rogue One, even though RotS is worse as a film, because at least its entertaining in the same way "The Room" is and it doesn't bore me as the more competent but mediocre Rogue One does.
 
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firehawk12

Subete no aware
It's clear that modern Star Wars movies are just fan service, so pretty much everything you know about Han will be in the movie.

I bet he even bumps into a young Leia on Alderaan and says "Excuuuuuuuuuse me, princess!" :p
 
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Admiral Woofington

Member
firehawk12 said:
It's clear that modern Star Wars movies are just fan service, so pretty much everything you know about Han will be in the movie.

I bet he even bumps into a young Leia on Alderaan and says "Excuuuuuuuuuse me, princess!" :p
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Young Leia is eating something at a restaurant and goes "mmmmm I love this"

Han is passing by, looks at the camera with a sly smile and goes "... I knoooooooow"
 
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Glass Shark

Banned
I am trying to stay positive about Star Wars these days, but DAMN this morning's video is making me realize I'm inevitably going to hate the Han Solo movie.

EDIT: FUCK the more I watch this video the angrier I get, but I know they're completely right, it's going to be a reference clusterfuck

I think they really overstated the "OMG REMEMBER STAR WARS?!" aspect of Rogue One but you know this film is going to be 100% that
 
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Geeky

Member
I am sure Rich will be 100% be right about the Kessel Run and the bet where Han wins the Falcon will be in the movie.

I kinda like the twist that Lando was the one who made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs. The space drag race idea made me think of "Wacky Races" but with Star Wars characters.

Jabba's placement is still up in the air for me. I doubt that THE supply dump that Jabba put the bounty on Han for will be in this movie. The restored footage of Han and Jabba in Episode IV kinda implies that they had a working relationship for an extended period of time. Unless Han is working on and off for Jabba throughout the movie I don't see them getting to that part of the run.

Is there supposed to be some problem with non-Jedi activating lightsabers? I thought it was just a button. Finn does it just fine in The Force Awakens too.

I can also see some working in of the Jedi because as Rich said before "The Star Wars Universe is limited" you gotta have Storm Troopers, TIE Fighters, Jedi, Lightsabers. And it will allow the writers to explain the Jedi training sphere as Rich said.

I want a quarterly series where Mike and Rich go over Wookiepedia articles. I loved Darth Vader's suit and the dice game was funny. It would be great to see them talk about post RotJ stories like "Luuuke"

If I could be so bold to make my own prediction. I think we will see Chewy finally rip someones arms off on film. I know there is a deleted scene in The Force Awakens, but they gotta finally do it.


And an aside about Pre-Rec. I liked the PlayerUnknown's BattleGround stream. I know it isn't a Rich game because he's got those old man reaction times, but I am glad Jack understood it. Rich KNEW someone was there and walked right down the stairs into them. He wouldn't need the reaction time if he was just patient. I will need to see if my laptop can run it because it looked fun.
 
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Cheerilee

Member
Vanpastel said:
I think that George Lucas is a hack who didn't know a parsec was a measure of distance.
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That of course is the easy, simple, obvious answer, but nitpickers have been around for ages, so there's a long history of people pointing out "A parsec is a measurement of distance, not speed, look at me, I'm smarter than Star Wars!" so there's a sort of natural contrarian response to ask "Are you? Are you really?" and try to think if there's any way to make that mistake work.

Rich's solution is very sciencey, with one big dangerous turn/shortcut, where I think my solution was a bit simpler, with lots of smaller dangerous turns/shortcuts. Rich's solution includes an element of speed, where I don't think that speed was explicitly required for Han's example of the Kessel Run (with the Kessel Run being the Falcon's claim to fame, not it's feat of speed. The Falcon's speed could be expected to be already known, due to it's fame).
 
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