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Christopher Nolan criticizes Netflix's digital distribution model for movies
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Theater projectors barely go up to 100 nits brightness. QLED will go over 1500.
jack_package_200
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I did have a big response typed up but I realized it was mainly a "Why jack_package_200 hates Regal Cinemas"
Go support any local mom and pop theaters. My experience at those has been always very positive. Fellow Portlanders, go to Cinetopia and Living Room Theater. Those places are rad as fuck.
Go support any local mom and pop theaters. My experience at those has been always very positive. Fellow Portlanders, go to Cinetopia and Living Room Theater. Those places are rad as fuck.
Pretty much, I hate the "theater experience" because it it overpriced, I potentially sit next to loud, annoying or smelly people, I have to sit through commercials, some in my row always has to pee, gets up and then asks "What did I miss?" when they come back.
This, Netflix cannot support whole studios making multi million budget films.
CaviarMeths
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I work night shifts and need to plan an entire evening around going out to a movie. Including transportation time, it's up to 4 hours I need to set aside, 4 hours that run right in the middle of my preferred sleeping time. Because of that, I miss a lot of movies that I really want to see, and Dunkirk will be one of them.
So yeah, Mr. Nolan, sorry but I honestly don't give a fuck how much footage you shot on nice IMAX cameras. If Netflix is paving the way for a better home distribution model, then I welcome it. Seeing things on a giant theater screen honestly isn't that important to me anymore anyway. My home setup is good enough.
I mean, they just greenlit a $100m gangster movie that starts shooting in a couple months, but OK.
So yeah, Mr. Nolan, sorry but I honestly don't give a fuck how much footage you shot on nice IMAX cameras. If Netflix is paving the way for a better home distribution model, then I welcome it. Seeing things on a giant theater screen honestly isn't that important to me anymore anyway. My home setup is good enough.
I mean, they just greenlit a $100m gangster movie that starts shooting in a couple months, but OK.
jack_package_200
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She does raise a valid point.
The existence of an alternative isn't a bad thing especially when it addresses the needs of a possibly undeserved customer.
RBelong2Us
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As is...that's an anomaly so far. Doesn't mean they are going to start getting the rights to a ton of high budgeted films .
They are banking on this big time due to potential for award acclaim .
The home experience has been improving by leaps and bounds in terms of quality, price and convenience. Meanwhile theaters have been sitting on their hands.
Maybe it's just me but I'd look into improving what I'm offering rather than complaining about rivals catching up.
Holding movies for ransom and trying to strong-arm people into theaters that way is about the most ridiculous way to try to keep a competitive edge. You need to actually provide a service that's worth it.
Maybe it's just me but I'd look into improving what I'm offering rather than complaining about rivals catching up.
Holding movies for ransom and trying to strong-arm people into theaters that way is about the most ridiculous way to try to keep a competitive edge. You need to actually provide a service that's worth it.
I didn't mean that it literally pales in comparison.
| Praxis |
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Count me in as someone who only goes to the cinema because there is no other option, if I could watch at home I would do that 100% of the time. I really don't want to watch a film surrounded by the general public.
You did not really think this through did you?
eot
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For me it doesn't make a difference if it's in a cinema or on a 13" laptop screen tbh.
If cinemas can only survive by having exclusive access movies at release then clearly most people don't value the experience of going there that much. They go because it's the only place they can see the movie.
I personally don't mind day/date cinema/stream future.
Unless I ever get a 70mm cinema home setup I'll always be going to cinema first because it is the superior presentation of the film. But thatsmy choice and so long as there's selection of decent cinemas I can go to where a good experience is more or less guaranteed I'm fine. And living in London I have that luxuary.
If others prefer to sacrifice that quality for a decent home setup because they prefer watching at home that's fine by me and if they can see same film as me then so what?
I get the fear of threat to theatres but it's inevitable things will go this way and TBH looking at fims taking over a billion globally I don't see theatres being abandoned totally.
More likely what I expect is perhaps less theatres overall per region that prefers streaming with the theatre experience becoming the premier one and theatre numbers overall remaining strong.
That said this'll depend more on how revenue is affected. If expensive blockbusters require a certain percentage of theatre revenue in their domestic region there will remain a "safe window" where theatre gets its run first before streaming.
To be fair to Nolan I doubt money is informing his comments but his view theatre is the place to see a film first and his view (arguably correct too) that Netflix is hobbling it's films performance and recognition theatrically in favour of pushing their preferred option (streaming).
Didn't realise Amazon did give their own films more theatre time though: was surprised by that. Be interesting to see which approach wins out ultimately.
Unless I ever get a 70mm cinema home setup I'll always be going to cinema first because it is the superior presentation of the film. But thatsmy choice and so long as there's selection of decent cinemas I can go to where a good experience is more or less guaranteed I'm fine. And living in London I have that luxuary.
If others prefer to sacrifice that quality for a decent home setup because they prefer watching at home that's fine by me and if they can see same film as me then so what?
I get the fear of threat to theatres but it's inevitable things will go this way and TBH looking at fims taking over a billion globally I don't see theatres being abandoned totally.
More likely what I expect is perhaps less theatres overall per region that prefers streaming with the theatre experience becoming the premier one and theatre numbers overall remaining strong.
That said this'll depend more on how revenue is affected. If expensive blockbusters require a certain percentage of theatre revenue in their domestic region there will remain a "safe window" where theatre gets its run first before streaming.
To be fair to Nolan I doubt money is informing his comments but his view theatre is the place to see a film first and his view (arguably correct too) that Netflix is hobbling it's films performance and recognition theatrically in favour of pushing their preferred option (streaming).
Didn't realise Amazon did give their own films more theatre time though: was surprised by that. Be interesting to see which approach wins out ultimately.
dl77
Member
Yup. I'm sure that the 20% of the gross profits on top of the flat $20m fee he received have no bearing on him wanting people to see the movie in the cinema!
FutureLarking
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Biggest problem for me is the lack of visibility and hype and promotion these Netflix films get. If you don't have Netflix 9/10 times you're not going to know these films exist - and of you do you have to pray the algorithm overlords actually expose it to you.
Feels like half these original films are just put out to die or with no fan fare. I'd be pretty pissed off if I filmed a big blockbuster and it went straight to Netflix. Worse than direct to DVD for me.
Feels like half these original films are just put out to die or with no fan fare. I'd be pretty pissed off if I filmed a big blockbuster and it went straight to Netflix. Worse than direct to DVD for me.
dl77
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They've only recently started moving from solely producing TV content to producing TV & film. Comparing them to a movie studio that's been around for decades is unfair.
It's not like they're just making low budget material. The Irishman is costing $100m, Okja apparently cost $50m and War Machine cost $60m. Whilst not summer blockbuster prices these aren't insignificant outlays.
dl77
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True, the curation of their content does often leave something to be desired. However, there's also the issue that, at this time, I don't think Netflix can afford the $10m's to $100m's it cost to market a movie and raise it's public profile.
It's almost a Catch 22. Do you pay to raise the profile of your material but have to reduce the budget and amount of content you produce or do you invest that money into productions but risk low visibility for them?
C'mon he's loaded already and turned down the 3D bonus because he thinks 3D sucks.
This is his bias for the medium and it's obvious. Frankly this has be noted multiple times already in the thread.
The guy shoots on film and won't use 3D. He's happy to make money sure but his view on the sanctity of the medium is clearly the main driver.
dl77
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I'm sure he is a supporter of theatrical presentation but I find it a bit hypocritical to point to Netflix as a reason for the decline of cinema attendance when he's taking 20 million off the bat and a further 20% of whatever the film makes, regardless of profit or not. The studio will have to wipe 20% off any returns straight off the bat for one person even though they're the ones financing and marketing the film.
If films are made cheaper they can be sold to theaters cheaper meaning tickets can be cheaper - though of course that doesn't guarantee they will be. The more films cost, the more they have to be sold for.
EDIT: Re-reading your post you're right, he is already loaded and therefore standing up and airing views that support cinema doesn't made you some kind of theatrical philanthropist if you're taking a huge slice of the pie when you're already exceedingly well recompensed.
Well, all the Multiplex cinemas in my area cannot compete with 4K-HDR-Releases like Planet Earth 2. I still enjoy to go to the movies though every now and then.
I don't think he is saying that though. Nolan is just saying Netflix isn't contributing to the theatrical experience; and isn't helping as much as one would hope towards films as a form in general with their funding.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
I fucking hate the cinema, and haven't been to one since 2011, so completely agree with Netflix here. Would love it if all movies were day and date cinema & Blu-ray releases. I can't imagine how much more I would hate it nowadays now that everyone has a smartphone.
dl77
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Unless I'm grossly misreading the article he literally talks about Netflix using their leverage against theaters.
Going to see a freshly new movie at the cinema would be cool and all, if it wasnt so goddamn expensive (UK based here)
On the other hand, Netflix sacrifices availability with convenience, by having a large catalog of easily accesible shows and movies, but not having the same content as other countries (again, I cant watch LOST or FRIENDS in the UK). That said, some movies will be missed depending on which country you are in :/
PS: Do proxies still work with Netflix?
On the other hand, Netflix sacrifices availability with convenience, by having a large catalog of easily accesible shows and movies, but not having the same content as other countries (again, I cant watch LOST or FRIENDS in the UK). That said, some movies will be missed depending on which country you are in :/
PS: Do proxies still work with Netflix?
dreamcastmaster
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Yes exactly!
dl77
Member
This is a conversation that crops up time and time again. When TV came out people thought it was a death sentence for cinema. When home video came out people thought it was going to be a death sentence for cinema. Same thing now with streaming, people are starting to say that VOD is taking away from the cinema.
The amount of films that don't appear in the theater or only have a limited release because of Netflix is miniscule and the impact to 'Hollywood' is probably barely noticeable.
Let's be honest, without VOD we probably wouldn't even get to see Okja in it's current state. It's just not the type of film that many people go to see. As I've said elsewhere in this thread, the reason his previous film 'Snowpiercer' managed to turn a profit was because it was produced with the home market in mind. Would any studio have given the makers $50m to make a very niche Korean film about a giant pig if they were banking on theatrical box office?
The amount of films that don't appear in the theater or only have a limited release because of Netflix is miniscule and the impact to 'Hollywood' is probably barely noticeable.
Let's be honest, without VOD we probably wouldn't even get to see Okja in it's current state. It's just not the type of film that many people go to see. As I've said elsewhere in this thread, the reason his previous film 'Snowpiercer' managed to turn a profit was because it was produced with the home market in mind. Would any studio have given the makers $50m to make a very niche Korean film about a giant pig if they were banking on theatrical box office?
dl77
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I remember going to see Thor and there were only about 10 of us in there. I saw that no-one was using the VIP seating so I thought I may as well sit in one of them. An usher then came along and moved me along as I hadn't bought the ticket! I tried reasoning that there was no-one else there but he was having none of it!
Fbh
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I don't mind the Netflix model.
With the rise of ticket prices (at least where I live) I rarely go to the cinema anymore. I'm going to watch dunkirk in imax this Saturday and it's the second time I'll be in a cinema this year.
Honestly, there aren't that many movies that feel like they are really worth watching in the cinema, I'm perfectly fine with watching them in my nice HDTV at home. Okja was fun but I don't think my opinion on it would have been any better or worse had I seen it in a theater.
With the rise of ticket prices (at least where I live) I rarely go to the cinema anymore. I'm going to watch dunkirk in imax this Saturday and it's the second time I'll be in a cinema this year.
Honestly, there aren't that many movies that feel like they are really worth watching in the cinema, I'm perfectly fine with watching them in my nice HDTV at home. Okja was fun but I don't think my opinion on it would have been any better or worse had I seen it in a theater.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Funny you should mention that, as that was the last film I seen in the cinema back in 2011! People talking, kicking your seat, eating like slobs. Also cinema's here in Ireland are of a very poor standard so a Blu-ray on a decent home setup is an infinitely more pleasant experience for me.
Speaking of Blu-ray, I'm guessing Netflix isn't doing any physical releases? Then Netflix's model may be more of a threat to the physical format than to cinema.
I think you're misreading it - or I am!
As I read it he's specifically focusing on Netflix produced films not their model and entire catalogue.
In short he's saying "if you're going to fund a theatrical film release it in theatres first" which is why he notes Amazon as a counter example.
He's unhappy as he sees Netflix short changing their own films specific to having a decent theatrical run.
I don't see anything bemoaning streaming services or attacking theatres.
Conversely he's saying they're cutting off their own nose to spite their face - e.g. They're losing out on revenue from a proper theatrical run just to get their funded film on their streaming service.
TBH whether deliberately or not I think he's missing the point a little as I'm sure Netflix know that. They're funding Scorsese $100 million for the kudos and to draw people to their service for example, not because they want to enable it to have a full theatrical run.
Conversely Amazon it would seem to want their films to be seen as films with the traditional model then hit streaming which is why he's fine with their streaming service model.
Netflix actually does release their original programming on physical media
Prime crotch
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Theaters should focus back on what they truly were, communal experiences, and not this disposable way to see movies. Some theaters are just plain shit.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
House of Cards and Daredevil have had Blu-ray releases.
I don't see the problem with the comment.
Netflix has the opportunity to help cinemas with their movies projects. They also would also profit with the added revenue stream and added marketing through a limited run for their movies aisde from the occasional trailer on their own service.
Seeing a movie 2-3 month after it's initial run in cinemas doesn't make it a worse movie.
I would love the option to see the occasional Netflix production in cinemas. And I wouldn't be hurt if I had to wait an extra 2-3 month until it was available on Netflix. I like options.
Netflix has the opportunity to help cinemas with their movies projects. They also would also profit with the added revenue stream and added marketing through a limited run for their movies aisde from the occasional trailer on their own service.
Seeing a movie 2-3 month after it's initial run in cinemas doesn't make it a worse movie.
I would love the option to see the occasional Netflix production in cinemas. And I wouldn't be hurt if I had to wait an extra 2-3 month until it was available on Netflix. I like options.
FullMetalx117
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Cinemarks are amazing now with their luxury loungers. Glad Texas has so many of them.
I never watched a netflix original movie. To be honest, I don't really even have enough motivation to sit through a 2 hour movie unless it's in a theatre with no distractions.
I never watched a netflix original movie. To be honest, I don't really even have enough motivation to sit through a 2 hour movie unless it's in a theatre with no distractions.
Speak for your country.
Going to the cinema in my country is still a civilized experience and 99% of people are respectful.
Watching something like Interstellar in the theater or at home is a completely different experience, no matter how good your home cinema system is.
excelsiorlef
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As I pointed out Dunkirk is only available right now in premium theatres so it's still 15$ to see it right now.
Markitron
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This depends on what you value most in the experience. No cinema would touch the image quality of a 4K HDR presentation on a 65'' OLED screen.
Blockbusters seem to be doing better than ever, I'm not convinced Netflix will put a big dent in that market. Netflix seems to be filling the mid sized budget gap that Hollywood doesn't bother with anymore. Like how indie game studios now make the $30 AA video games.
Netflix is way more of a threat to cable than Hollywood
Netflix is way more of a threat to cable than Hollywood
Rockin' Ranger
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The theater nearest to where I live has $5 tickets on Tuesdays.
andythinkpad
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What's wrong with people wishing death upon theaters? Did somebody force you to watch movie at theaters with a gun?
Where else can I have cheap dates?
Where else can I have cheap dates?
I have the 55E6 Oled. I miss the true blacks at the cinema the most now.
But come on, watching something like Interstellar on a giant screen with amazing, loud and clear sound is still awesome.
And the shared experience can be great as well. A whole theater laughing at the comedy bits in something like GoTG2 makes the experience better.
Cinema can exist if: - Ban eating, cellphones, allow drinking in bottles only, no straws, and add hygiene rules (you know your feet smell like shit, why you go to the movies? spend those 2 hours taking a bath instead).
Those 3 things hit me at once seeing Transformers a few weeks ago. I had to leave (and the movie didn't help either).
Those 3 things hit me at once seeing Transformers a few weeks ago. I had to leave (and the movie didn't help either).