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Florida teens who recorded drowning man will not be charged in his death
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Muffin1611
Banned
And? You said everyone would be fucked if laws like this existed.
Now you're provided with evidence that laws like this are entirely reasonable and needed.
djplaeskool
Member
Doubt that can be compelled without a criminal charge.
This whole situation is just awful...
No way the parents willfully out themselves.
Living the Dream
Member
If they do respond it will be "they were in a state of shock"
Referring to USA not other countries.
Calling the police or jumping in after him certainly wouldn't have averted his fate but this video and their comments during it are a special level of sociopathy that its almost it's own crime. They laugh and mock him especially after he disappears under the surface for the last time. They're clearly not taking any part of it seriously and treat it like some big empathatically detached joke straight through to the very end. Samaritan laws have consequences associated with them as well but their actions here while apparently not criminal, are disgusting and indicative of far worse. If you took these same people and put them in a situation where they easily could have saved someone, I bet the result would be exactly the same.
Dude Abides
Banned
People are misusing the term Good Samaritan law. Good Samaritan laws don't require you to help. They just provide that you can't be liable if you do try to help and something goes wrong.
I believe the only state that imposes a duty to help is Wisconsin.
ThatStupidLion
Member
this is like sienfeld...only more serious.
tbh...if someone is drowning in a pond in Florida....i'm probably not going any near that waters edge to help....there's a very high chance there is a gator waiting
that said i wouldn't do what these teens did. shoulda called the cops immediately. drowning is not a fun way to go. these bystanders suck.
tbh...if someone is drowning in a pond in Florida....i'm probably not going any near that waters edge to help....there's a very high chance there is a gator waiting
that said i wouldn't do what these teens did. shoulda called the cops immediately. drowning is not a fun way to go. these bystanders suck.
AuthenticM
Member
Section 2 from Québec's Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms, a quasi-constitutional law:
Section 49:
It should be exported everywhere.
Section 49:
It should be exported everywhere.
Muffin1611
Banned
Please explain why an essential law like this would not work specifically in the USA.
BobNewbert31
Member
I don't think that's what the Good Samaritan Law covers. It protects someone from liability while trying to help someone. If these little psychos helped and somehow injured the man while attempting to save him, they would be protected from any liability relating to that injury.
Only ten states actually have a "duty to rescue" law in the books, according to this BBC article.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40680895
The ten states are in this article: http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2015/05/in-which-states-do-i-have-a-duty-to-help.html
So FL has a "duty to rescue" law, but it only applies to sexual assault apparently.
I knew what they were from a CPR class. In the event you crack someone's sternum when doing compressions they protect you. I just responded understanding what they were intending to ask.
Well you're the one who said "we'd all be fucked".
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Jesus....the internet has led to generation of fucking sociopaths.
That guy was projecting. Some of us make it a point to help when others are in need.
rbanke
Member
I looked for this because my wife was just asking if id heard about it, we live in the next city, such a shitty unavoidable thing. And these these shit heels are 15 minutes from me.
I thought i'd heard about a similar case where despite not having any good samaritan laws, the act of involving themselves was enough to tie their responsibility to the death. I can't remember why I think that though.
I'm getting old, but I can't imagine being young means having the level of disconnect required to just stare at another human being begging for help and not just ignore them but actively taunt them.
Ah, now that you point it out, yes.
what are the laws relating to being a bystander?
I thought i'd heard about a similar case where despite not having any good samaritan laws, the act of involving themselves was enough to tie their responsibility to the death. I can't remember why I think that though.
I'm getting old, but I can't imagine being young means having the level of disconnect required to just stare at another human being begging for help and not just ignore them but actively taunt them.
Ah, now that you point it out, yes.
what are the laws relating to being a bystander?
Astral Dog
Member
im not going to blame these junkie kids for a kill, just hope at least one of them someday understand the gravity of doing nothing in these situations and grow a conscience.
RIP what a horrible way of leaving the world
RIP what a horrible way of leaving the world
Guns and lawsuits.
Not that I disagree with you that helping someone in distress should be law.
Fixed.
Saint Gregory
Member
Total sociopaths.
Trying to save someone from drowning that far from shore would have been difficult but there was more than enough time to call for help. At the very least report it so the family didn't have to wait the 4 or 5 days to find out it what happened to their loved one.
I didn't see it in the article but could they explain what he was doing that far out in the water?
Trying to save someone from drowning that far from shore would have been difficult but there was more than enough time to call for help. At the very least report it so the family didn't have to wait the 4 or 5 days to find out it what happened to their loved one.
I didn't see it in the article but could they explain what he was doing that far out in the water?
While it's a good law it seems unlikely that it would have helped the victim in this case. Trying to aid a drowning man would have put the monsters in danger, so they would not have been legally obliged to help. Calling 911 would have led to someone coming, but it seems very doubtful that they would have arrived in time to help.
AuthenticM
Member
That doesn't matter. Calling 911 would have satisfied the obligation.
The legal question here is whether the law should be used to prevent bad behavior or to encourage good behavior - that's a major philosophical difference. The US has always had a laissez-faire view of government intervention, so I'm not surprised there's a different take in Europe.
Not sure where I come out on it. I think I'm opposed to duty to help laws but it's not a strong conviction.
Not sure where I come out on it. I think I'm opposed to duty to help laws but it's not a strong conviction.
SDCowboy
Member
How in the heck can you not be a fan of the good Samaritan law? Do you actually know what the law is?
Don Draper's Hat
Member
I will never understand how some people can be such horrible cunts.
Jacksinthe
Banned
Not sure what part of "call 911" would net you a lawsuit. I get that people have been sued and injured for helping, but you can be 100% not involved by using the phone. You don't have to put your life at risk to help.
Just how shortsighted are folks in this thread that don't understand this? What is so complicated about calling emergency services? Do tell.
Yep. I have a hard time disagreeing when I hear older people say that things used to be better in some ways before the internet.
Oh I believe you. Can't believe how hard some people are fighting against the notion of having to help people who are in immediate danger. If nothing else, just call for help ffs.
Linkstrikesback
Member
No better time to change the law then, because these little bastards are responsible for that man bring dead when they could have almost certainly saved him.
It will probably infuriate someone enough to eventually out them to the public. I'm not sure about addresses but they will most likely be easily found afterwards. Maybe word of mouth will spread in their town and human decency will outcast them.
They dont have a good case. All the countries that have duty of rescue laws are civil law countries. It seems pretty well established where the common law position on this issue is.
But it would have accomplished more vs. just watching. It would also allow the police to charge assholes like these people filming.
Isn't there some kind of obscure snuff film law or similar they could try and charge them with?
AlexFlame116
Member
Freaking kids. I'm furious just thinking about them. Evil, weed addicted, selfish morons. I hope I never see them in real life. I wouldn't be able to hold back my punches if I did.
I feel absolutely terrible for the family. This must be such a horrible outcome for them. I hope they recover from all this one day.
Seriously who doesn't go and help someone in danger?!?!? Who?!
I feel absolutely terrible for the family. This must be such a horrible outcome for them. I hope they recover from all this one day.
Seriously who doesn't go and help someone in danger?!?!? Who?!
I don't want to put any sort of defense forward for these kids but they were smoking weed. This may have factored into their hesitance to call 911. More likely they are just assholes though.
Again, totally agree. Instead of using their phones to call 911, they recorded themselves making fun of man dying. Pretty disgusting.
Robdraggoo
Member
Calling these kids assholes doesn't do this justice and is disingenous. This is evil.
Muffin1611
Banned
Calling 911 would really have been enough, and I don't see how guns or lawsuits would affect that.
Most laws I and others mention say that you have to try help in a reasonable way. Risking your life isn't reasonable, no. Calling 911 is.
Edit: I see you agreed already, nvm
Jacksinthe
Banned
They were plenty fucking cognizant to what was happening. Did you not at least READ the story?
I agree that they should have called 911, and that in general people should always try to help, even if that just means calling 911.
I don't think that the outcome would have been different for the victim either way, but it's certainly better/more humane and less depressing then having these monsters taunt the victim and cause additional pain to the family.
There are lots of laws in the US made to prevent bad behaviour. Like, it's illegal to rob someone.
They would at least have found the body immediately instead of five goddamn days later.
I don't think there's technically any law against it unless you can prove that helping him wouldn't have posed a risk to them or that the cops would've gotten there in time should they have called for help. It's one of those things that you'd think could be avoided with basic human decency.
Reminds me of an episode of Psycho-Pass where a woman is being randomly beaten with a bat in the middle of a crowded street, and all the bystanders just pull out their phones and record the ordeal, remarking how cool it looked.
The worst part is that the writer claimed this scene was based on an incident that happened to his friend in real life.
Even dystopian settings can't hold up anymore, because we're in one now.
The worst part is that the writer claimed this scene was based on an incident that happened to his friend in real life.
Even dystopian settings can't hold up anymore, because we're in one now.
They didnt put the man in that position in order to film him die. They just happened to be there, I dont think thats illegal. I hav no fucking idea whats wrong with these kids, but unfortunately theyre just not liable.