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[Devil]

Entitlement, lol.

SFV was sorely lacking in content at launch and the DLC pricing is well, well beyond IV's pricing.

Yeah, fight money existing is a good thing, but earning fight money is also essentially a "here, do these incredibly boring modes (survival) for hours on end to earn some of the doc for free" monkey's paw. You can do it but it's a total unfun grind in a game with barely any single player content to begin with. And they even locked basic-ass colours behind that grind.

They charged $60 for an early access game. People are allowed to feel burned by that.

As I said above, the tedious survival stuff isn't necessary at all. I hate that mode so I don't bother doing more than easy mode there. Still rich enough.

 

[DunpealD]

As it is right now, I only get awards of any type when I play it's boring SP modes (which the AI is not made well enough to make such fun), or I play online against flowcharts and bandwagoners. Even Injustice 2 respects the fact I like to play local VS, by giving both players some gold and EXP. SFV treats local play so bad, it's almost like you're being punished by spending an hour sparring offline. You can't even earn towards weekly challenges playing it. Ehy can I earn stuff in training mode, on occasion, but never in VS?

The 5K missions are all doable in VS. I've been doing it with 1 round and CPU on easy from the very beginning. I think that's a good compromise, considering it's a 2 minute thing at most.

Other ones like do Crush Counter x times are possible on all online modes, including lobby.

No other fighting game offers to get DLC with real money value. So excluding offline play is understandable, because otherwise it would be easy to abuse. See Tekken 7 Treasure Battle turbo trick.

Also since when can I earn a character in Killer Instict? I might have to consider playing it again, if this is true.

 

[Forward]

My guy came in a video game thread and earnestly told someone else "DEAL WITH IT" when someone called him out for being mad online. It's not even 8 am and I'm already dying of laughter at gaf

It never ceases to amaze me, how many people online mistake asserting one's self for anger. It's like they're so incredibly invested in the topic at hand, that they cannot see where their emotions are leaking out, and tainting their view of and ability to comprehend other posters who disagree with them, much less said posters' complete and utter dispassion. Reading posts like yours is akin to watching a train wreck, except the pile-up has been Looney Toon-ified to such effect, that one just can't help commenting on the absurdity of the spectacle which you so willfully and willing present of yourselves. Pro tip: nobody cares whether you deal with it or not.

But I'll make certain not to attempt a polite segue out of the conversation, next time, so as not to confuse and excite you further.

 

[ThirtyPlus]

Entitlement, lol.

SFV was sorely lacking in content at launch and the DLC pricing is well, well beyond IV's pricing.

Yeah, fight money existing is a good thing, but earning fight money is also essentially a "here, do these incredibly boring modes (survival) for hours on end to earn some of the dlc for free" monkey's paw. You can do it but it's a total unfun grind in a game with barely any single player content to begin with. And they even locked basic-ass colours behind that grind.

They charged $60 for an early access game. People are allowed to feel burned by that.

This is what I don't get. I'm the guy who suggested the OT's title "No Options to Select." People knew exactly what was included in the game day one. How can you feel burned?

 

[Robot Pants]

Yea I rather just pay the money. My time is worth more

 

[OmnipotentO]

My goal for this game was to get every character. I don't care about costumes or stages as much.

I bought season pass 1 thinking it'd take for ever to grind out characters and that was fine. For season 2 though I thought I'd try to grind them out. Just to see how hard or easy that was. I thought worst comes to worst I'll just pay money since I was planning on biting that bullet anyway but with how things are going now I've yet to pay actual money for any season 2 character.

It helps that character releases are spaced months away from each other, giving you ample time to grind out money with just weekly challenges alone. If you just play the game it is very possible to grind out money for characters. At least so far it is.

 

[i-Jest]

Subscribed for future reference.

 

[Leonidas]

Glad to hear all the characters can be unlocked without much trouble, hopefully I'm able to earn enough to unlock everything including the stages...

One thing annoys me about SFV though, I recently doubled the size of my M.2 SSD and since restoring my SSD my save was overwritten with no progress(luckily my fight money is there since it's tied to online but my progress in the game is gone...)

 

[SAB CA]

The 5K missions are all doable in VS. I've been doing it with 1 round and CPU on easy from the very beginning. I think that's a good compromise, considering it's a 2 minute thing at most.

Other ones like do Crush Counter x times are possible on all online modes, including lobby.

No other fighting game offers to get DLC with real money value. So excluding offline play is understandable, because otherwise it would be easy to abuse. See Tekken 7 Treasure Battle turbo trick.

Also since when can I earn a character in Killer Instict? I might have to consider playing it again, if this is true.

Well, I've tried clearing them in VS (Player VS Player) before, and never had one work. But I don't play the game as often. If player vs CPU works and Player Vs Player doesn't... ugh. I tried clearing the Shibusaki Request this week in 2P VS and training, and it didn't clear until going to Sim's story and fighting a particular battle. If other ones work (or even that one), good, at least it's something, and the biggest pay-out something. I've tried breaking the signs and such in multiple VS matches, never got a thing. Then went into 1 online or training match, and had them pop after.

Injustice stuff all has a real money value attached to it's DLC stuff. You can earn their premium coins and use them to buy the costumes and such. Maybe not the characters themselves, but they also don't break down every little color and stage into separate money purchases. Local VS doesn't directly earn chest, but leveling and stuff still happens, so it's got most of the perks of playing an online match. And for both players, for each of their accounts.

I wanna say I THINK you can use KI gold to buy a character (I always just got the full seasons), but if not, they have given away seasons on GWG, they have a free weekly rotating character, and they actively put sales on stuff. Even if you didn't buy anything more than S1, or get it for free, there's still big gameplay reasons to come back weekly to try out something new. Not entirely comparable, sure, but at least more inviting and aware. They don't let 2P earn anything, but they let P1 level up with offline VS play.

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Capcom had 2 separate credit systems to start off. It still feels incredibly off to me that not only do I not earn anything on my account of offline VS play (Save for the possible one weekly achievement you mention), but the other person has no personal account access, and earns nothing either, even If they play on another actual profile. If they wanted to lock off earning characters through VS play because it could be exploited, they still could have given access to earning stage variations, colors for costumes already unlocked, or titles, frames, exp for lvling up, offline lvls that lead to unlocks like T7... anything.

Just sucks that the majority of time I'll spend with the game, doing the same stuff, is a virtual black hole of almost no worth, especially because there's so much usually free junk that has been split for the sake of sapping Fight Money. Would be nice if they had a Tournament Mode built into the game, like DOA 5. Then at least I wouldn't have to put in double work to earn stuff for characters I don't play too, so that local VS opponents could use them off my profile.

 

[petran79]

Now, if you're doing some semantic gymnastics with your statement and what you mean is "Upgrading from SF4 to USF4 was cheaper" because you can technically skip SSF4 and AE then congratulations on being clever. Or if what you really mean is that the necessary upgrading from SF4 to USF4 is cheaper than buying every single piece of DLC in V then that's also correct. However, those comparisons would be apples to oranges.

On PC I had to skip SSF4 anyway. When game moved to Steam you could get the whole package at a bargain price during Summer or Winter sale.

But now with three separate Season passes, game is still expensive even on summer sale.

Double the price of GG Rev2

 

[AstroNut325]

Holy sh!T! I didn't know this. Really want SFV now.

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

This is a good thread OP. Seeing that this was possible, and that I could get SF5 for $20 used made me pick it up.

 

[Rymuth]

Yea I rather just pay the money. My time is worth more

Completely up to you

Edit: whoops, didnt see the tag

 

[The Hermit]

The fact this thread exists shows what an utterly fail the management of DLC in SFV is.

All would have been solved or, at least, amortized, with a proper arcade mode.

 

[Jimnymebob]

The fact this thread exists shows what an utterly fail the management of DLC in SFV is.

All would have been solved or, at least, amortized, with a proper arcade mode.

I don't see how having an arcade mode would help though, if people are finding problems with:
Playing the main story.
Playing the individual character stories.
Playing both sets of a characters combo trials.
Watching character tutorials.
Playing survival mode.
Turning the game on for 5 minutes each week.

Winning matches online.
Playing matches in general to level up a character.

If players don't want to do any of that, and all they want is to play arcade mode, then they should have waited until an arcade mode was confirmed before buying, or done some research at least.

The only modes that are missing FM are training mode, obviously, and local versus, which makes sense because all people will do is start 1 round matches with two controllers and fight an opponent who isn't moving for hours on end, before complaining that the FM you receive from doing so is too little.

I still don't see how the DLC has been managed poorly though, aside from the delays near launch with Alex (who everyone got for free for a period to try out). You can either buy it with money, like the majority of other fighting games with DLC characters, or you can unlock some of them by playing the game. If a game that was popular on here had a similar structure for it's DLC, let's say as well as just buying it, you could unlock The Old Hunters on Bloodborne by spending 6 million blood echoes, that'd be the greatest idea ever and From Software would be pioneering an amazing new way to handle DLC.

 

[Garlador]

I don't see how having an arcade mode would help though, if people are finding problems with:
Playing the main story.

Main story is short, limiting, 1-round, and you can't select your characters.

Playing the individual character stories.

Again, they're super-easy, 1-round, and only 4 matches.

Playing both sets of a characters combo trials.

Combo trials aren't always that fun and certainly aren't solid replacements for actual matches.

Watching character tutorials.

Even less so.

Playing survival mode.

As has been mentioned innumerable times, Survival Mode has its own problems and isn't a proper Arcade substitute.

Turning the game on for 5 minutes each week..

That's no different than any other free-to-play scheme that turns the game into a second-job you have to play to earn fight money instead of an experience you want to play because you enjoy the experience.

Winning matches online.

Vast numbers of players don't play online.

Playing matches in general to level up a character.

Which would, again, be more helpful with a proper Arcade Mode...

If players don't want to do any of that, and all they want is to play arcade mode, then they should have waited until an arcade mode was confirmed before buying, or done some research at least.

Let me nip this one in the bud right here and now... Arcade Mode was NEVER deconfirmed from the game until LAUNCH. So many people were shocked at its absence, and several interviews, magazines, and websites were reporting there was an Arcade Mode literally a month before launch, and Capcom issued no retractions.

Here's an example:

When it comes out on February 16, Street Fighter 5 will initially feature the kind of standard arcade story mode you've likely experienced before: you'll go through a series of arcade battles with a small amount of backstory for each character. - IGN

With Street Fighter V, there will be a tutorial for beginners in there that teaches the very basic stuff. From there, people can go into the [arcade mode] and play the character stories and immerse themselves in the world of Street Fighter V. - Engadget

Capcom explains that playing through most of Street Fighter 5's offline modes with different fighters, such as arcade mode, survival, and also ranking up each character, will net you enough Fight Money to purchase the first DLC warrior. - Eventhubs

PLENTY of websites were saying there was an Arcade Mode in the game and Capcom never once issued a retraction or correction. Why would readers assume it wasn't there?

 

[thundr51]

Question: If I buy a season 2 character would I be able to fight against them? Since some people here think that Survival = Arcade mode.

I mostly want to know as there are some characters that I KNOW I will never want to play as but wouldn't mind playing AGAINST them.

Game is fun, but my biggest complaint is that half of the costumes are cash only.

 

[JeTmAn81]

How much would it cost to pay someone to do Survival mode for me

 

[Pompadour]

How much would it cost to pay someone to do Survival mode for me

If you got the game on PC there's trainers. There was a method to cheat Survival on PS4 as well but the CapCops put an end to that.

Question: If I buy a season 2 character would I be able to fight against them? Since some people here think that Survival = Arcade mode.

I mostly want to know as there are some characters that I KNOW I will never want to play as but wouldn't mind playing AGAINST them.

Game is fun, but my biggest complaint is that half of the costumes are cash only.

Survival hasn't been updated to include DLC characters or stages but if they ever do I'm sure you won't need to buy them. Everyone has to download the DLC anyway so people without DLC can play against players using DLC characters.

 

[MagnetoWasRight]

On PC I had to skip SSF4 anyway. When game moved to Steam you could get the whole package at a bargain price during Summer or Winter sale.

But now with three separate Season passes, game is still expensive even on summer sale.

Double the price of GG Rev2

They recently had a package with Street Fighter V and seasons 1 and 2 for $40. How is that expensive? I paid $60+$30+$30 for all of that.

 

[bstylee]

If you got the game on PC there's trainers. There was a method to cheat Survival on PS4 as well but the CapCops put an end to that.

CapCops not banning people who use trainers on PC?

 

[Pompadour]

CapCops not banning people who use trainers on PC?

I don't believe they can detect them unless you're clearing Extreme Survival with every character minutes apart.

That's essentially how Capcom got the people who cheated on PS4. Someone found a way to send messages from their PC to the CFN server saying they completed all Survival difficulties with every character. So Capcom would see Player A did this all on the same second.

Edit: I actually don't know if PC people using trainers actually get banned or not. I haven't heard of anyone doing it in awhile.

 

[Village]

Just dont use 1 hit ko and max combo and remember to turn it off afterward and you should be fine

 

[Mechanized]

Anything is possible if you hate yourself enough.

 

[Jimnymebob]

Main story is short, limiting, 1-round, and you can't select your characters.

You only need to play it twice, and you get your FM.

Again, they're super-easy, 1-round, and only 4 matches.

Again, you only need to do this once per character.
Being quick to do isn't a negative.

Combo trials aren't always that fun and certainly aren't solid replacements for actual matches.

It's content designed to help you learn the game.
Some may not be practical, but it helps to learn execution for new players, and should be a breeze, i.e. quick FM for veterans.

Even less so.

You can just flicking through them without reading them to get FM.

As has been mentioned innumerable times, Survival Mode has its own problems and isn't a proper Arcade substitute.

Survival isn't a good mode, but it's still an easy way to make FM, if you stick to easy.

That's no different than any other free-to-play scheme that turns the game into a second-job you have to play to earn fight money instead of an experience you want to play because you enjoy the experience.

If you're playing the game regularly, which you would be if (not) being able to unlock characters is a concern for you, then spending 5 minutes to fight Mika in Dhalsim's story, and look at the global rankings for example, is hardly a second job.

Vast numbers of players don't play online.

I know that, but it's still a way to get FM/the only way if someone doesn't want to do the other stuff I mentioned

Which would, again, be more helpful with a proper Arcade Mode...

I'm not 100% on this, but can't you level up your profile by playing Vs against CPU? You don't earn FM,
but apart from getting a screenshot and narration before and after you win an arcade mode, how is this any different?

Let me nip this one in the bud right here and now... Arcade Mode was NEVER deconfirmed from the game until LAUNCH. So many people were shocked at its absence, and several interviews, magazines, and websites were reporting there was an Arcade Mode literally a month before launch, and Capcom issued no retractions.

Here's an example:






PLENTY of websites were saying there was an Arcade Mode in the game and Capcom never once issued a retraction or correction. Why would readers assume it wasn't there?

First of all, I wasn't aware that not having an arcade mode wasn't public knowledge at first. A lot of the blame there lies with pre-order culture in general, and obviously not all players pre-ordered it.

My point is that people are complaining about the system because it's:
Street Fighter V
It doesn't have an arcade mode

What's being discussed here isn't the lack of content in SFV, it's the fact that you can earn enough FM to buy a majority of the DLC characters without putting in much effort or time.

 

[Weltall Zero]

The sense of entitlement in this thread is insane.

At this point "entitled" should be a banned word on GAF, or auto-replaced with something like "pro-consumer".
While we're on that, replace "SJW" and "white knight" with "principled".

 

[Shinichi]

Here is my playlist of survival hard mode, only vanilla characters + S1, I dont have the S2 pack yet, but I will upload the rest once I get the s2 character pass, I think I made like a 1.5Million FM with game+season 1 pass. I hope it helps people to get FM.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQ2bHV5QJct40QbaaFzM0dlBd29zMudqf

 

[Bronetta]

The average gamer wont ever beat Survival on Normal so lets count that out.

 

[Rmagnus]

None of this works without psn plus

 

[Jimnymebob]

None of this works without psn plus

That's an entirely different problem, which mostly falls on Sony having multiplayer behind a pay wall.

 

[Mesoian]

The average gamer wont ever beat Survival on Normal so lets count that out.

This is unfortunately true. The frustration of getting to level 45 only to get cheaped out by the AI is more than most people are going to be willing to put up with. That's like...2 hours of progress in the wind.

 

[AstroNut325]

None of this works without psn plus

Wait what? So all the modes mentioned in the OP are behind PS Plus?

 

[DunpealD]

None of this works without psn plus

That should be an exaggeration. You can earn everything from singleplayer, plus the easy weekly 5k mission is guaranteed. As it only requires a connection to the CFN servers.

Missions that require multiplayer like using specific things x times or win 10 x matches, are obviously no bueno.

 

[myco666]

The average gamer wont ever beat Survival on Normal so lets count that out.

Sure they will. It really isn't that bad and you can autopilot it pretty much entirity of it.

This is unfortunately true. The frustration of getting to level 45 only to get cheaped out by the AI is more than most people are going to be willing to put up with. That's like...2 hours of progress in the wind.

Normal has 30 stages though. Hard is total ass.

That should be an exaggeration. You can earn everything from singleplayer, plus the easy weekly 5k mission is guaranteed. As it only requires a connection to the CFN servers.

Missions that require multiplayer like using specific things x times or win 10 x matches, are obviously no bueno.

Can you connect to CFN without PS+?

 

[Head.spawn]

It never ceases to amaze me, how many people online mistake asserting one's self for anger. It's like they're so incredibly invested in the topic at hand, that they cannot see where their emotions are leaking out, and tainting their view of and ability to comprehend other posters who disagree with them, much less said posters' complete and utter dispassion. Reading posts like yours is akin to watching a train wreck, except the pile-up has been Looney Toon-ified to such effect, that one just can't help commenting on the absurdity of the spectacle which you so willfully and willing present of yourselves. Pro tip: nobody cares whether you deal with it or not.

But I'll make certain not to attempt a polite segue out of the conversation, next time, so as not to confuse and excite you further.

All of this just to back up your shitpost? You must've thought highly of it I guess.

 

[lucebuce12]

It never ceases to amaze me, how many people online mistake asserting one's self for anger. It's like they're so incredibly invested in the topic at hand, that they cannot see where their emotions are leaking out, and tainting their view of and ability to comprehend other posters who disagree with them, much less said posters' complete and utter dispassion. Reading posts like yours is akin to watching a train wreck, except the pile-up has been Looney Toon-ified to such effect, that one just can't help commenting on the absurdity of the spectacle which you so willfully and willing present of yourselves. Pro tip: nobody cares whether you deal with it or not.

But I'll make certain not to attempt a polite segue out of the conversation, next time, so as not to confuse and excite you further.

 

[JayEH]

The average gamer wont ever beat Survival on Normal so lets count that out.

yes they can. all you need to do is jump HK, sweep. Normal AI can't beat that.

 

[miller.skippins]

yes they can. all you need to do is jump HK, sweep. Normal AI can't beat that.

this will work on normal..........until the last 2 stages (necalli, M.Bison)....they became input reading motherfuckers then.

 

[Bronetta]

yes they can. all you need to do is jump HK, sweep. Normal AI can't beat that.

Doesnt work on the last fight.

Its basically waste 30 minutes going through 29 stages only to get spanked at the last fight.

Might be easy for you FGC pros but its next to impossible for us casuals. Ive had the game since day 1 and never been able to been Normal Survival

 

[myco666]

Doesnt work on the last fight.

Its basically waste 30 minutes going through 29 stages only to get spanked at the last fight.

Might be easy for you FGC pros but its next to impossible for us casuals. Ive had the game since day 1 and never been able to been Normal Survival

It isn't impossible for casuals. I beat it first try after one week from launch. And no I am not 'FGC pro' lol. Especially not back then. Was pretty much a casual.

 

[Neoxon]

To add to the Fight Money-earning, Capcom's giving away 30,000 FM for anyone who logs on SFV around the time of Street Fighter's anniversary date (which I believe is August 30th, correct me if I'm wrong).

 

[JayEH]

Doesnt work on the last fight.

Its basically waste 30 minutes going through 29 stages only to get spanked at the last fight.

Might be easy for you FGC pros but its next to impossible for us casuals. Ive had the game since day 1 and never been able to been Normal Survival

"You fgc pros" who do you think I am lol. I'm a silver rank scrub.

The last two fights can be tough and you do have to be more cautious but it's completely doable.

 

[lucebuce12]

To add to the Fight Money-earning, Capcom's giving away 30,000 FM for anyone who logs on SFV around the time of Street Fighter's anniversary date (which I believe is August 30th, correct me if I'm wrong).

yay free FM

 

[miller.skippins]

"You fgc pros" who do you think I am lol. I'm a silver rank scrub.

The last two fights can be tough and you do have to be more cautious but it's completely doable.

Played for a year and I can't even reach beyond super bronze....

Look, not everyone can progress in sfv 'only' yet we eternal scrubs still wanna have fun with it...

The problem with sfv unlike other games like tekken, refused to acknowledge eternal scrubs like us exist....and just assume can get 'better'..

It's like assuming everyone can run a sub-3 hour full Marathon timing if he/she trained hard enough...hate to bearer of bad news...not every can do that no matter how hard the effort is...just as not everyone can go to even silver, let alone beyond..

 

[Rymuth]

As Neoxon kindly pointed out, Capcom is giving away 30,000 FM for just logging in on the anniversary date.

This is the second time they've given away FM this year.

 

[sibarraz]

Well, I've tried clearing them in VS (Player VS Player) before, and never had one work. But I don't play the game as often. If player vs CPU works and Player Vs Player doesn't... ugh. I tried clearing the Shibusaki Request this week in 2P VS and training, and it didn't clear until going to Sim's story and fighting a particular battle. If other ones work (or even that one), good, at least it's something, and the biggest pay-out something. I've tried breaking the signs and such in multiple VS matches, never got a thing. Then went into 1 online or training match, and had them pop after.

Injustice stuff all has a real money value attached to it's DLC stuff. You can earn their premium coins and use them to buy the costumes and such. Maybe not the characters themselves, but they also don't break down every little color and stage into separate money purchases. Local VS doesn't directly earn chest, but leveling and stuff still happens, so it's got most of the perks of playing an online match. And for both players, for each of their accounts.

I wanna say I THINK you can use KI gold to buy a character (I always just got the full seasons), but if not, they have given away seasons on GWG, they have a free weekly rotating character, and they actively put sales on stuff. Even if you didn't buy anything more than S1, or get it for free, there's still big gameplay reasons to come back weekly to try out something new. Not entirely comparable, sure, but at least more inviting and aware. They don't let 2P earn anything, but they let P1 level up with offline VS play.

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Capcom had 2 separate credit systems to start off. It still feels incredibly off to me that not only do I not earn anything on my account of offline VS play (Save for the possible one weekly achievement you mention), but the other person has no personal account access, and earns nothing either, even If they play on another actual profile. If they wanted to lock off earning characters through VS play because it could be exploited, they still could have given access to earning stage variations, colors for costumes already unlocked, or titles, frames, exp for lvling up, offline lvls that lead to unlocks like T7... anything.

Just sucks that the majority of time I'll spend with the game, doing the same stuff, is a virtual black hole of almost no worth, especially because there's so much usually free junk that has been split for the sake of sapping Fight Money. Would be nice if they had a Tournament Mode built into the game, like DOA 5. Then at least I wouldn't have to put in double work to earn stuff for characters I don't play too, so that local VS opponents could use them off my profile.

You can't buy characters with KI gold

 

[sixteen-bit]

Don't forget to login for your free 30K

not that they mentioned the date....

 

[DunpealD]

None of this works without psn plus

Can you connect to CFN without PS+?

To get back to it. I just tried it today and yes you can connect to CFN and earn FM. Which means everything in the OP works without PS Plus.
Missions work as well, did the "play the training mode" mission and got my 500 FM.

Only everything online MP is locked out.

 

[Stallion Dan]

Said you did it in a day. The trials take ages, between the fights, the bonus menu and the loading they can take around 30 minutes on normal, for 16 characters that is 8 hours right there alone, assuming no failing which is bound to happen when you not playing 'mains' and the last few AI kick into BS mode. Still calling that claim bollocks.

Story mode wasn't even there on release either.

 

[Ovid]

The fact this thread exists shows what an utterly fail the management of DLC in SFV is.

All would have been solved or, at least, amortized, with a proper arcade mode.

Is this going to happen?