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This is the poorest generation of all time at creative standpoint...

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Angel_DvA

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I don't know if I'm getting too old or what but I think it's the poorest generation I've ever seen, each generation had new original ideas, new concepts, new gameplay, creative world and new stuff, but this generation, it's sequel after sequel of already used game series or bland games after bland games, infected with microtransations and skins bullshit...

They're so out of ideas that they're releasing remasters/remake of past glory games to save the day, sure they still have some amazing games like BOTW, MGSV, Nier automata or Witcher 3 in those "used" series, but come on, it's not enough, we're already talking about PS5 and Xbox 3 and I still have the feeling that this generation had delivered nothing yet and after seeing this E3 properly, I don't see it changing in the next years...

it baffles me to have to wait for the next Kojima game in years to have some new gameplay concept because he's probably the only one to try something in this fucking industry, which is really sad, I wish we had more Kojima's developers than Molyneux one...
 
30yearsofhurt

30yearsofhurt

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Soulflarz

Banned
I mean most people refer to the ps2 era for games that had a feel that...is...erm
very 'ps2ish', from a design standpoint

360 era is greys and also has a very obvious development standpoint


Advancements in game design make each generation have very obvious key traits outside of the unique games that strive to be very different, so I don't think it's very notable. The 'depth' to your AAA games died in the 360 era, not this one, as every TPS was basically a clone, COD became annualized, Ubisoft games became cookie cutter, the Arkham combat became the industry standard for fun third person fighting, etc. This generation refined a lot of that, but in no way was the creativity killer for these common examples.

That's not to say all AAA games are uncreative, but there is a lot more 'generic' or passable games day to day than there were in the ps2 era. Alternatively, the ps2 era had plenty of them, but they were RPGs or such instead, so it seems like a distant time to you. Games like BOTW or Rocket League still are made.
 
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Ferr986

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Angel_DvA said:
I don't know if I'm getting too old or what but I think it's the poorest generation I've ever seen, each generation had new original ideas, new concepts, new gameplay, creative world and new stuff, but this generation, it's sequel after sequel of already used game series or bland games after bland games, infected with microtransations and skins bullshit...

They're so out of ideas that they're releasing remasters/remake of past glory games to save the day, sure they still have some amazing games like BOTW, MGSV, Nier automata or Witcher 3 in those "used" series, but come on, it's not enough, we're already talking about PS5 and Xbox 3 and I still have the feeling that this generation had delivered nothing yet and after seeing this E3 properly, I don't see it changing in the next years...

it baffles me to have to wait for the next Kojima game in years to have some new gameplay concept because he's probably the only one to try something in this fucking industry, which is really sad, I wish we had more Kojima's developers than Molyneux one...
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what?

I think you're just getting older. Lots of new creative stuff in this gen, just like the others.
 
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BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
This generation is far more creative and diverse than a decade ago when people could complain about everything starring "bald space marines" and have a point.
 
Maxey

Maxey

Member
Triple A games, sure, they take less risks as games become more expensive to make.

However, innovation and creativity is not dead in games, just pay more attention to indie games.
 
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Flarin

Member
I would agree with you for the most part, but I think 2017 is when this gen is finally hitting its stride. So many amazing games have come out this year and are still to come this Fall. If you look at the AAA scene it might be same old same old, but indies are killing it.
 
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patapuf

Member
what are you looking for? There's lots of fresh stuff coming out. Just not from the big guys.

we've had quite a few breakout successes of new concepts.
 
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potatohead

Member
Such a reactionary OP.

There's so many incredible games coming out, just because they aren't big budget or on your platform of choice or whatever, I don't give a fuck really.

The amount of options and ways to play games these days and the sheer volume and diversity of old and new games is actually still incredible, if not more so than usual.

Sure we're not in PS2 levels of everything being 100% super fresh but you got to be shitting me that there isn't a lot of creative shit coming across PC and console (and now mobile) platforms these days.

You have to put some work into searching for the new experiences and spend the money to do it as well in some part, nobody ain't gonna do shit for you and find it for you. There's SO many amazing games from all kinds of genres out there available, new and old.
 
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Javier23

Banned
Dunno, I'm a PC gamer and I'm in heaven. Immersive sims are coming back (and if they've already come and gone I'm still pretty happy about it), cRPGs and point-and-click adventures have come back, I'm enjoying AAAs more than ever (MGSV, W3, TEW, RE7, Wolfenstein, Doom...), I'm enjoying multiplayer games more than ever (Siege, PUBG, Rocket League...), lots of incredible indie games coming out all the time...

Truly a golden age.
 
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120v

Member
nah... i mean, it's arguable. but i'd say we've kind of reached critical mass in terms of what "gaming" really is, anything from candy crush to 'standard' games like AssCreed and CoD to League of Legends and such.

criticizing generations is like criticizing the atlantic ocean at this point
 
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SafeinSound

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Every time one of these threads gets made it makes me wonder how much time said person actually takes to research indie games. There is such a wide array of games out there anymore, I don't know how you can't find something. Yes, AAA games have become a bit samey, but that's been going on for a while now. Does it make them less fun? I think it depends.
 
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Q8D3vil

Member
Much better than last gen (the cod gen).
Indie games are thriving and we are getting tons of rpgs and fighting games.
Only thing we are missing is a good stylish action games.
 
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User123456

Member
You say this in the year of the Switch and PSVR/Vive?

Have you played robo recall, farpoint, literally any roomscale game...? Even Pokemon Go comes to mind as being recent and totally unique.
 
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Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Shaanyboi said:
Indie games apparently don't exist
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They don't. Whenever someone makes a thread about "this generation", it never, ever, ever includes indie games.

Really makes you think.
 
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BossDarkseid

Member
Not really. We've seen a huge amount of new IPs and a more diverse range of games that people are excited about, be it AAAs or the Indie side of it like Cuphead etc. You talk about Kojima as an auteur, but MGSV creatively wasn't all that. Its like it was afraid to go Full Kojima, and when it did you got Quiet.

As games get more expensive to make you'll see a homogenization of AAA games to a certain extent, like how in the PS3/360 gen you got more and more games adopting rpg elements. Its cool for rpg fans but when every game has some kind of levelling up system it somehow feels less...unique or rewarding.

Arguably Sons of Liberty is the only title where Kojima and Fukushima did something - with the meta narrative - that went far beyond what people creatively expected from video games.
 
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Angel_DvA

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I mean every generation so far had his game who define it, who create a new genre or make one genre better, what game has done that for this one ?
 
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Heartfyre

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I would argue that even in the AAA space, from PlayStation and Nintendo's output in particular, we continue to see very creative, cutting-edge design. Mostly because they are more free to take risks with manufacturer backing.

Otherwise, indie and VR games continue to astound me on a daily basis.
 
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the_korben

Member
People will tell you that you're simply looking in the wrong places and that you should try the PC or indie games, and there's some truth to that.

In the end, though, I think you're right in some respect. The best thing to do is to simply accept that gaming has changed over the course of the last 1-2 generations. It's a different kind of business, garnering to a different kind of audience. The infatuation with streaming, sharing and games-as-service speak volumes: The gaming industry is a behemoth now, fighting to dominate the free time of its customer base. They want you to think about gaming all the time, to do nothing else, and to have you connected to them 24/7 so they can monetize all that time you spend - be it with fees, microtransactions and unlocks, online stores or simply to increase the effect of their marketing. It's not too suprising really, and people seem to love it. But it's different from, say, the PS2 generation.

The way I see it, you either accept this and try to like what gaming has become, look for a niche that you can be happy with, become a retro gamer or simply say: screw it, I'm out.
 
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redcrayon

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AAA games being largely focused on sequels and popular gameplay trends due to huge budgets and risk averse publishers isn't something that started this gen. Creativity and new ideas existing in huge numbers in smaller games isn't either.
 
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Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Angel_DvA said:
I mean every generation so far had his game who define it, who create a new genre or make one genre better, what game has done that for this one ?
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So far, I'd say PUBG, but I don't think its popularity will last, or maybe Hearthstone.
 
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FlutterPuffs

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Angel_DvA said:
I mean every generation so far had his game who define it, who create a new genre or make one genre better, what game has done that for this one ?
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This is like saying this is the poorest generation for music lovers because no one has made a new genre.

Or for movies.
 
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Feep

Banned
Angel_DvA said:
I don't know if I'm getting too old or what but I think it's the poorest generation I've ever seen, each generation had new original ideas, new concepts, new gameplay, creative world and new stuff, but this generation, it's sequel after sequel of already used game series or bland games after bland games, infected with microtransations and skins bullshit...

They're so out of ideas that they're releasing remasters/remake of past glory games to save the day, sure they still have some amazing games like BOTW, MGSV, Nier automata or Witcher 3 in those "used" series, but come on, it's not enough, we're already talking about PS5 and Xbox 3 and I still have the feeling that this generation had delivered nothing yet and after seeing this E3 properly, I don't see it changing in the next years...

it baffles me to have to wait for the next Kojima game in years to have some new gameplay concept because he's probably the only one to try something in this fucking industry, which is really sad, I wish we had more Kojima's developers than Molyneux one...
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This is the golden age. You might be in the wrong hobby.
 
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BossDarkseid

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Angel_DvA said:
I mean every generation so far had his game who define it, who create a new genre or make one genre better, what game has done that for this one ?
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I mean you mentioned The Witcher 3 and so many people loved that, and it was so acclaimed by fans and other developers, it'll probably be one of the more influential games of the generation. Whenever Rockstar turn up with RDR2/GTA6 will be that moment too, but on a different scale you could argue for things like Bloodborne or Overwatch
 
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satsugaisan

Banned
Games are better now than they ever were.

Mechanics are better.

There are more genres.

More nations are represented.

OSTs are better

The indie scene is stronger than ever

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
The "indie" arguments are on point.

But even regarding AAA, I think we are in a far better place than in the early PS360 days (and that was already after AA productions had died off). I see a lot of games with color, fantasy, and novel concepts, whether that's Nier: Automata, BOTW, Gravity Rush 2, The Last Guardian, Horizon, Uncharted 4, Bloodbourne, etc....

KillLaCam said:
I haven't seen a brown/grey color palette shooter in a while. I think this gen is pretty good because of that
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Exactly.
 
Dr. Buni

Dr. Buni

Member
Disagree. Indie games have been great so far.

Since I discovered indie games a few years back, big games became a rarity for me, so maybe that is why I don't feel like game designers lost their creativity.

Go play some Rain World, Oxenfree, Cross Code, Stardew Valley, Undertale, Transistor, Don't Starve, Hollow Knight, One Shot... etc etc etc. The list goes on.

Then tell me there is no creativity in those games.
 
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Soulflarz

Banned
Angel_DvA said:
I mean every generation so far had his game who define it, who create a new genre or make one genre better, what game has done that for this one ?
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???

People have made new Genres. What new Genre did 360 era make that defined it, I have to ask.

Brb going back to CARSOCCER THE BEST GENRE OF GAME.

You can argue sports but end of the day games are diverse enough that genres are very quickly starting to get stupid as labels- most games have elements that used to be reserved solely for RPGs, for example.
 
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ksamedi

Member
There is lots of creativity, just not that much in the AAA space. Its too risky to invest in untested concepts. Thats why you see new IP on a smaller scale to test the market and grow over time I think Splatoon is an example of creative games moving toward the AAA space.
 
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