Obama was a good liar. Hillary wasn't.Absolutely. I dont even think they need to actually do anything. Just lie. It has proven to work.
Obama was a good liar. Hillary wasn't.Absolutely. I dont even think they need to actually do anything. Just lie. It has proven to work.
Yes. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/soci...the-declining-labor-force-participation-rate/
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2016/06/21/where-are-the-nonworking-prime-age-men/
We currently have massive amounts of variance in outcomes that are dividing along stark geographical and educational lines. Helping people get better educated and be better able to move out of these declining areas needs to be something that we're doing. Part of the problem we face, though, is that what these people need is not what they want. They want the past back instead of having to adapt to the future.
The problem is under almost no scenario will dems have the votes to actually pass anything or override a Presidential veto. So saying they will get stuff done, etc is misleading at best, a total fabricated lie at worst.
Instead they should really just be honest. "Ok, vote for us. We won't really get anything done either, the rules in Washington mean you need like a 70% majority to pass anything and thats never gonna happen for either side, for a while. But we won't look so dumb arguing about stuff I guess, and we will definitely not try to screw the poor and help the rich all the time. So uh vote for us, yeah."
I'm not arguing to put a degree in everyone's hand. (quite the opposite, that you can't do that and that we need to figure out how to cope w/ that fact.)there was still a decline even amongst the college educated. putting a degree in everyones hand may sound good but it will just lead to devaluation in the long term.
Bernie Sanders?
The Bernie progressive wing is the future of the party. The litmus test will be do Democrats stand in favor of corporations or in favor of American workers. The old corrupt wing of the Clintons, the Feinsteins, the Schumers, etc. needs to be purged.
Healthcare for everyone
Free college tuition
Raise the minimum wage
Simple language, effective message. Stay away from guns and immigration for now imo.
I'm not fighting for UBI in 2018. No one's that out-of-touch with reality.That you think UBI is an issue that candidates can get elected on and Congress will appropriate in 2018 is laughable. That lower-hanging fruit you dismiss is the fight for Universal Health Care, an intensely important issue that will affect millions of lives positively. And the last time we went to war for it, it cost the Dems all their political power and congressional majorities. Please come back from your theoretical fantasies and join us in the political reality we currently reside in.
Absolutely. I dont even think they need to actually do anything. Just lie. It has proven to work.
No, Millenials didn't come out in droves against Trump because young people generally don't vote... FOR THE SECOND MOST UNLIKED CANDIDATE, HILLARY.
I love when Bernie Bros talk about how he would have won the general. And he WOULD have.
Because they are basically admitting Hillary supports aren't the same sort of giant selfish babies that they are, and they would have done the right thing.
The real thing I am worried about is how much influence will Russia have in 2018? The dems might do everything right, but if you have a foreign nation manipulating our election directly again it may not matter how smart their message change might be.
I love when Hillary voters continue to white/genderwash Bernie's support base with asinine terminology while propping Hillary's base up as if it's any less fickle than anyone elses, especially when vitriol is still being thrown by both sides.I love when Bernie Bros talk about how he would have won the general. And he WOULD have.
Because they are basically admitting Hillary supports aren't the same sort of giant selfish babies that they are, and they would have done the right thing.
That's probably true, and another can of worms that will one day push us towards UBI as a source of a living wage.I feel like those are also jobs at increasing risk of disappearing due to automation among other things. Retail is already dieing out for example
Arguably no. Americans are not nearly educated enough at this current point in time. Ride the waves of populism or fall beneath the surface.This is not a direction I want Democrats to go. Is there really no hope for sciences and common sense?
I'd love for it to happen, but if it does it's going to be a long, slow, arduous process that'll probably take generations to fix. Internet lobbying is incredibly strong. I think starting with getting it rebranded as a public utility should be the first goal to tackle. I'm just worried that promising someone all that stuff (like free broadband) and then getting into office and being unable to deliver would just lead to the voter becoming disenchanted. I know people hate incrementalism, but I think it's better than promising something that can't happen in the span of 4-6 yearsMaybe not free, but I hope we get hold of the FCC to fully name internet access a public utility and that cities begin to take control of that infrastructure so we can eliminate the ISP monopolies all over the place.
Uh, where does it say they're abandoning basic social issues? They're going to stay strong on those, but in terms of messaging, the economy is all idiotic swing voters give a shit about, so.So there's not one iota of social issues. All economic.
Of FUCKING COURSE!
Civil rights, LBTQ rights, and procreation rights are gonna be thrown under a bus. All to get the vote of racists.
Fucking hell. How could the Dems and the "economic justice warriors" be so stupid to think that this will work? Screwing over your base just to get a voting bloc more fickle than the youth bloc?
"Oh we have to compromise on some things like abortion. But not things that I want"
So there's not one iota of social issues. All economic.
Of FUCKING COURSE!
Civil rights, LBTQ rights, and procreation rights are gonna be thrown under a bus. All to get the vote of racists.
Fucking hell. How could the Dems and the "economic justice warriors" be so stupid to think that this will work? Screwing over your base just to get a voting bloc more fickle than the youth bloc?
"Oh we have to compromise on some things like abortion. But not things that I want"
Uh, where does it say they're abandoning basic social issues? They're going to stay strong on those, but in terms of messaging, the economy is all idiotic swing voters give a shit about, so.
YOURS is the mindset that has always baffled me here in NeoGAF. That Democrats need to address THE SINGLE UNIFYING theme that NO ONE in this country can escape (white, black, brown, Asian, etc.) is the best way to build coalitions. A focus on the pursuit of the American dream (economics) is intimately tied to social and racial justice. Neither of those issues are diminished by recognizing that Americans are being pushed to the brink on all sides because of bad economics of the last 40 years.
And this is where the Bernie or Bust coalition has brought us. This poisonous, knee jerk reaction to the very mention of a Democratic platform will ensure none of it gets even close to law. Keep fighting the good fight against the corporatist Dem boogieman, that's the way progress works.
They're not mentioning SJ issues for the same reason BLM stopped protesting after the election - the fact that if you have 99 economic issues and mention 1 minority issue, your Obama->Trump swing voter will only hear the 1 minority issue.So there's not one iota of social issues. All economic.
Of FUCKING COURSE!
Civil rights, LBTQ rights, and procreation rights are gonna be thrown under a bus. All to get the vote of racists.
Fucking hell. How could the Dems and the "economic justice warriors" be so stupid to think that this will work? Screwing over your base just to get a voting bloc more fickle than the youth bloc?
"Oh we have to compromise on some things like abortion. But not things that I want"
In the face of the right basically selling their souls for power the left needs to provide a united front in elections leading to 2020.
Looking at this thread already shows that it will most likely not happen. The divide between Sanders and Clinton supporters seem to be too deep to actually have them function together in a single opposition party.
The Bernie progressive wing is the future of the party. The litmus test will be do Democrats stand in favor of corporations or in favor of American workers. The old corrupt wing of the Clintons, the Feinsteins, the Schumers, etc. needs to be purged.
Yep, we as a people have lost the subtlety bone. Dumb that shit down please.use simple words, simple slogans, simple terms, simple catch phrases
avoid nuance
There is no evidence this is true in the current incarnation of the Democratic Party specifically. And if they won't support economically liberal programs because of racism, why do you think they'd support directly liberal social messages?History.
Time has showed again and again, that the white people (specifically the working class) won't support economically liberal programs because they think it'll unfairly help minorities.
So for this to have even a chance of succeeding, the Democrats will have to water down an economic reform so that it excludes helping minorities (which will piss them off) or it won't get passed at all (which will piss economic progressives off)
There is no evidence this is true in the current incarnation of the Democratic Party specifically.
And if they won't support economically liberal programs because of racism, why do you think they'd support directly liberal social messages?
You aren't making any sense. The Democrats aren't going to suddenly say Blue Lives Matter or some shit. Please.
How the fuck is advocating for higher wages and breaking up concentrated corporate power/monopolies an anti-science or anti-common sense position?This is not a direction I want Democrats to go. Is there really no hope for sciences and common sense?
There is no evidence this is true in the current incarnation of the Democratic Party specifically. And if they won't support economically liberal programs because of racism, why do you think they'd support directly liberal social messages?
You aren't making any sense. The Democrats aren't going to suddenly say Blue Lives Matter or some shit. Please.
don't use the word:entitlements
instead, use the word: benefits.
Republicans have used euphamisms in the US for decades to soften their bullshit.Also, don't say taxes, instead "investments." That's what I've noticed here in Canada. People literally hate the word tax and yet you just spin the word and all of a sudden... clarity!
not this shit again,After all the damage Hillary is done, its probably better starting a new party.
After all the damage Hillary is done, its probably better starting a new party.
There are no better jobs coming. Automation is rendering human labor obsolete. They should be campaigning on a universal basic income.
Populism is shitty empty promises with no exceptions.Wouldn't getting another populist movement make things worse.