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Why is Final Fantasy X considered much better than Final Fantasy XIII?
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At least I can remember Seymour.
FFXIII's soundtrack is incredible.
Much like FFX I have massive issues with FFXIII as a game but the soundtrack is not one of them. It was fantastic.
KZXcellent
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I find that Tidus has a lot more of a purpose than Vaan. It's not surprising since Vaan wasn't even meant to be put in XII to begin with if I recall.
With Vaan you get a bunch of cutscenes where he's just off to the side while the main party talks about what they're gonna do next. I can count numerous times where I have to ask "Why are you even here Vaan" whereas that doesn't happen much with Tidus.
Sure, Tidus has a moment like this early on when you reach Luca but he quickly gets back on track. They also put plenty of focus on him and what he's going to do. Vaan is just there for the ride in his journey for a lot of it.
Both have their annoying side but I at least can say Tidus has a purpose and a role within the group basically the entire time.
ULTROS!
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FFXIII's OST is more consistent than FFX's though since XIII's is composed by 1 man opposed to 3. Though FFX has more memorable (or iconic) tracks, one is To Zanarkand.
I compare the two a lot as well. I'll preface and say I'm biased. FFX is my favorite FF (everyone's got a different one).
With FFXIII you're constantly in this world asking,
The game never really simplifies it and kinda avoids the question, doing their best to point to the little blurb it gives you every chapter.
In FFX you have Tidus and the excuse of Sin's toxins. From a story point of view, it enables the character to experience the world in the same way Tidus is. When something doesn't make sense you often hear Tidus go, oh, so that's why. I wondered about that, but now that you've finally explained it, I got it. It makes the world and characters easier to relate to, it tells the story in a better way.
So instead of scratching your head, asking all these what ifs, you're spending your time actually enjoying the journey. FFX also doesn't have an auto attack button. Most people just clicked that until they got stuck in FFXIII (usually Shiva or Odin fight) and then went, this sucks when they had to try.
With FFXIII you're constantly in this world asking,
are these Gods? Angels? Devils? Demons? Monsters? People? What are you facing? Why does no one question why these things give you water? Why do they wish to help you? Do people pray to them? Do people obey them?
In FFX you have Tidus and the excuse of Sin's toxins. From a story point of view, it enables the character to experience the world in the same way Tidus is. When something doesn't make sense you often hear Tidus go, oh, so that's why. I wondered about that, but now that you've finally explained it, I got it. It makes the world and characters easier to relate to, it tells the story in a better way.
So instead of scratching your head, asking all these what ifs, you're spending your time actually enjoying the journey. FFX also doesn't have an auto attack button. Most people just clicked that until they got stuck in FFXIII (usually Shiva or Odin fight) and then went, this sucks when they had to try.
It is the only one of the 3 Final Fantasy games I can't be bothered to play, for personal lack of interest, that I would recommend to someone not dubbed my mortal enemy. I wouldn't recommend XIII to anyone. To my mortal enemies, nemeses, worst foes, the ghosts of both Stalin and Hitler, and the most hated villains of the present day world at large, I cannot recommend VIII enough.
XIII story is garbage, whereas I was actually invested in X's story.
Well, I think there was a decent story in there somewhere in XIII but it was just a convoluted mess. They made XIII even more linear than X. There was tons of handholding. There were tons of repeat battles. It was just an complete filler game. It should have been 5 chapters and 20 hours shorter.
I don't think X's story holds up as well these days, but at the time it was really great because it was a bigger game than anything at the time, and the whole thing oozed polish.
I had to read the synopsis/background in the options menu to fully get what was going on in XIII. I don't even remember anything about the story anymore. Maybe they were going for ambiguity but I think they could have explained it a little more.
Well, I think there was a decent story in there somewhere in XIII but it was just a convoluted mess. They made XIII even more linear than X. There was tons of handholding. There were tons of repeat battles. It was just an complete filler game. It should have been 5 chapters and 20 hours shorter.
I don't think X's story holds up as well these days, but at the time it was really great because it was a bigger game than anything at the time, and the whole thing oozed polish.
I had to read the synopsis/background in the options menu to fully get what was going on in XIII. I don't even remember anything about the story anymore. Maybe they were going for ambiguity but I think they could have explained it a little more.
yall talking shit about seymour forgot he has one of the best battle theme of all time
also, ffx didnt fucking have Hope, probably the worst and most annoying FF char of all time
also, ffx didnt fucking have Hope, probably the worst and most annoying FF char of all time
Strangelove77
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This.
KZXcellent
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The question is what is the equivalent of the "Laughing scene" for FFXIII?
Is it "Moms are Tough"?
Is it "Moms are Tough"?
Hope versus Lymle deathmatch.
Whoever wins, everyone else still loses.
...do double Fatalities happen in deathmatches? Because that would be lovely, in this instance.
Gunslinger
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Every scene in the game. Because the story makes no sense.
I would even say it is the BEST FF battle theme to date.
As to your challenge:
Spira > Cocoon / Pulse (both are too underdeveloped)
FFXIII cast = FFX cast (both have winners and losers)
Barthy > Seymour (I always found Barty more ominous and callous of human life)
FFXIII music > FFX music (except for the Hymns)
FFXIII Party balance > FFX Party balance
Aeons >>> Eidolons
It's gotta be Sazh being arrested and put in a fucking coffin for that dumb fake out. Why did they even have a coffin on hand?
KZXcellent
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That or the stupid "Worst Birthday Ever" scene.
"But hurr durr, kids are annoying so he's realistic!11!!1"
That's the only Hope defense I've ever seen, and it's asinine. And ignores all the nonsensical shit he pulls.
Also, god damn it, the laughing scene is perfectly soul-crushing in context!
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Slightly OT but Hope isn't bad at all compared to say... Vaan. At least Hope got development. Vaan barely got any and all I've heard from is:
1. *during an important revelation* - C'mon guys, let's hurry up! *scene cuts short*
2. Sky Pirate
3. Fuck you Basch
but later not anymore!
Nagel's bat, not lukewarm.
ULTROS!
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The story makes sense. It's just not told very well if you don't read the datalog, which shouldn't be required for a game.
Gunslinger
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At least vaan was an "homage" to Luke Skywalker. And story of FFXII is simple. It's a Square enix take on star wars.
KZXcellent
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It is, but I didn't want to start the argument about that or how his laugh is supposed to be terrible.
The world and characters service the gameplay and the lore is built up in a logical fashion throughout the game. The battle system and dungeon design is also much better.
XIII on the other hand , as many have pointed out by now , is a long hallway , each "chapter" is more like a stage in an action game complete with a boss, none of the areas really have any bearing on the world , there's no consistency , the battle system makes for exciting looking battles that get boring quickly to actually play. Worst of the all , the characters don't quite fit the world and the world doesn't quite fit the story. It's kind of an inconsistent mess really.
Really the only thing better about XIII is arguably the sound track and the graphics.
XIII on the other hand , as many have pointed out by now , is a long hallway , each "chapter" is more like a stage in an action game complete with a boss, none of the areas really have any bearing on the world , there's no consistency , the battle system makes for exciting looking battles that get boring quickly to actually play. Worst of the all , the characters don't quite fit the world and the world doesn't quite fit the story. It's kind of an inconsistent mess really.
Really the only thing better about XIII is arguably the sound track and the graphics.
Mediking
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I keep saying that FF13 wins because Seymour ruined FFX for me. I really do like FFX but Seymour destroys everything. I hate him. I hate his fights. Hate how almost every fight in FFX turns into a Summon spam or is just plain annoying.
But FF13? Amazing OST. Pretty in iits own way.
FF13 wins.
But FF13? Amazing OST. Pretty in iits own way.
FF13 wins.
Dangansona
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Ok, I don't know how GAF feels about strawpolls in comments but I've been too curious. So I made a poll asking if you've played XIII, what your experience was with XIII-2 (including an option for those who didn't play it).
http://www.strawpoll.me/13535593
http://www.strawpoll.me/13535593
"Why do people love FFX but hate FFXIII" is such a persistent argument that pops up every once in a while and I don't understand why. It's just one aspect of a game. What sets them apart is FFX is better in the 99 other aspects.
It's a pretty lazy attempt at a gotcha, I gotta say.
It's a pretty lazy attempt at a gotcha, I gotta say.
InsaneTiger
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This.
I am surprised the OP is actually asking this question. XIII is so bland and nonsensical.
It isn't considered better it is better.
RedAssedApe
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KZXcellent
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XIII-2 is a major step up from XIII. Caius is great.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Hmmm... I'd say Spira is more developed because it retains its smaller size than FFXIII's two worlds.
FFX explains majority (if not all) of the areas covered in Spira and you can explore a majority of them (if not all).
FFXIII on the other hand felt like you only know half of the world and it doesn't cover a lot of the areas (like the Bifrost Forest that popped up in trivia questions, and Bodhum). I guess the way they marketed FFXIII is that it's one grand game with big worlds.
I don't think so. I liked XIII more. X is still a good game but XIII has better gameplay, a better OST and, well, Lightning and Fang which are better than Auron because 2 > 1.
KZXcellent
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The problem is that a lot of the time people say the problem with XIII is the linearity. They complain about the hallways and the lack of freedom. It makes it so a lot of people end up playing X which also has that issue and wonder why people aren't complaining about it the same way.
The problem is that the way people typically describe their problem with XIII isn't very descriptive enough.
The Silver
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I played FFX after 13 and I was very confused from hearing all the complaints about 13's hallways and yet 10 felt almost just as linear to me, even had the similar thing where you finally get to a big open area near the end. Obviously there's everything else like the story and the characters but the hallway stuff was just at such a forefront of the FF13 backlash but I couldn't help but be like "wtf?"
mrmickfran
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Both have fantastic soundtracks though.
Demoskinos
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I played XIII and although it was incredibly flawed I still got some enjoyment out of it. XIII-2 fixed a lot of my problems with XIII and I greatly enjoyed it.
Mediking
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Seymour is a joke. A clown. And belongs in a Kingdom Hearts game.
I can't stand that guy.
I guess I never saw any stark differences between him and many other FF sub villains.
I shall not argue the OST being better. I shall merely put forth the idea that the soundtrack is but one of myriad aspects of a game, and XIII having a superior one than X, does not make it the better game, especially when X's soundtrack is nowhere near less than great. Lightning is godawful. The only thing that makes her even remotely bearable, is her direct proximity to Hope, Sarah, Vanille, and the worst moments of Snow. To be able to beat X out in the gameplay department, XIII would first need actual gameplay.
Aside from his campy personality, the biggest problem I had with Seymour is that the game didn't need him. He seemed thrown into the story because the writers (and co) felt that Sin wasn't enough of an immediate threat, especially in the mid-game.
I have no problem with XIII's linearity, to be honest. I even tolerated Vanille and the automated combat. It was all Lightning, Hope and the way the story was told.
As mentioned, in FFX, despite it being set in a world with crazy background lore, everything was told during cutscenes and dialogue, I didn't have to pause my game and go read the lore section, or buy the novels.
Even in games with expansive lore like TES, the player could still play through the entire game not reading up on the background and still know what is going on. I played through FFXIII with a rather neutral state of mind, and I couldn't get what was going on half the time, it felt like they were confusing convolution with good writing.
On the character side...
Tidus, though annoying, was much more connectable than Lightning, who is basically the developer's dream waifu. Hope is worse than Lightning though, from his name to his entire existence.
Then there are those seemingly throwaway characters like that hot secretary-looking lady.
Then we have that ending; mainly talking about XIII here, since I gave up playing the other two entries of Our Holy Perfect Goddess Lightning's Saga...
Last but not least, X had more to do than just progressing the story.
As mentioned, in FFX, despite it being set in a world with crazy background lore, everything was told during cutscenes and dialogue, I didn't have to pause my game and go read the lore section, or buy the novels.
Even in games with expansive lore like TES, the player could still play through the entire game not reading up on the background and still know what is going on. I played through FFXIII with a rather neutral state of mind, and I couldn't get what was going on half the time, it felt like they were confusing convolution with good writing.
On the character side...
Tidus, though annoying, was much more connectable than Lightning, who is basically the developer's dream waifu. Hope is worse than Lightning though, from his name to his entire existence.
Then there are those seemingly throwaway characters like that hot secretary-looking lady.
Then we have that ending; mainly talking about XIII here, since I gave up playing the other two entries of Our Holy Perfect Goddess Lightning's Saga...
Last but not least, X had more to do than just progressing the story.
Literally one person ITT saying that.
Anyway, I somewhat enjoyed XIII but X was the better game for me by far. The story was engaging and you were close to your party members as you were all on a pilgrimage together. XIII had some L'cie Fal'cie bullshit that I still don't understand and I hate it when games have lore thar you have to read paragraphs of to understand the story.
I also loved the puzzles/temples aspect of X as well as the world itself,it wasn't just walking from corridor to corridor like in XIII.
And I know people here like the soundtrack to XIII but I honestly could not stand it aside from a few tracks. I feel like a lot of it was just Sunleth Waterscape repeated over and over again. X had 3 composers, but I liked that because it made the soundtrack more diverse and certain parts stand out. And nothing puts you into a game as soon as it boots up quite like "To Zanarkand."
Ganon Dragmire
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ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
I'm curious, since you're LTTP with FFX, how did you find FFX and did you have a better experience with it than FFXIII?
Drilbit777
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Much better pacing and a cohesive story. Plus the characters were alot more better recieved and Spira was much more interesting compared to the world XIII had
Mediking
Member
BURN IT WITH FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
XIII only had two redeemable characters - Fang, and the Chocobo Refroistation Project. And of the two, the only really likable one is Sazh. X had a solid cast all around - even the imaginary ones weren't all that bad... and were a lot more fleshed out than Tsundere, Emo, Pedbro, and a character so bad that it took J. K. Rowlings scrapping all but the best bits, and all but totally rewriting her from scratch as Luna Lovejoy, to redeem her.