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Curry was the only great thing about the original It. The awful adult actors in that show were awful.

Yeah. The theatrical It movie will end up being a lot better than the TV movie. Curry's Pennywise is the only point of contention there.

And since Joker was brought up, it's funny to think Tim Curry was the original voice of Joker in Batman TAS before Mark Hamill. It probably would've been his Pennywise voice.
 

Shauni

Member
Curry was the only great thing about the original It. The adult actors in that show were awful.
Also clowns have always been creepy since they create an uncanny valley effect with their makeup.

I'll agree with you on most of that, but I'll fight you to the death if you continue dissing John Ritter that way
 

kswiston

Member
Deadline posted the following early Friday totals

The Dark Tower - $6-7M
Dunkirk - $4-5M
Emoji - $4M
Kidnap - $3.3M
Detroit - $3M

I assume that Dunkirk is heading towards something closer to $5M, since $4M makes little sense off of a $3.3M Thursday without a big theatre venue drop today.

They have the Dark Tower at $17-19M for the weekend. But $6M with $1.8M previews could be as low as $14.5M, depending on Saturday.
 
I refuse to believe Dark Tower opens lower than Valerian. Nuh uh, friend.

At the very least it's (reportedly) about a quarter of Valerian's budget.

That's kind of like profit.

The cinematic equivalent of needing to pay off a phone bill but finding $20 in your pocket.
 

kittoo

Cretinously credulous

No I don't think our market is going to yield any single movie which earns more than USD 500 million or so alone from India. Our current highest is around 200 million.
Not because Indian market couldn't be huge overall, but rather because-

1. Our market is too fragmented across languages. Bollywood is actually only the Hindi film industry, which is about 50% in terms of speaking population coverage (mostly northern India). Revenue wise, I would say bollywood represents some 40% of indian movie industry. The rest is given by regional movie industries such as Tamil, Telugu, Malyalam,Marathi, Bengali and others. None of them are as big as bollywood, but are substantial.
2. While theoretically a hollywood film (either dubbed in indian languages or in english) could be something that would cover the whole breadth of india as the language barrier is removed, it just doesn't happen. Apart from maybe top 10 cities, indians really don't give much shit about hollywood. It's a really hard market to crack as the local language films are far more popular. Hell, Indians don't watch the movies of other indian languages all that much.

The movie that made 200 million (bahubali the conclusion) was a rare phenomenon. It was so successful because even though it was a south indian movie (in telugu language), it captured the north indian hindi language audience all the same. It was sequel to a film that miraculously became a hit in North india. Before that movie, the highest a south indian movie had earned in North india was a measly 3 million USD (!!!). Bahubali 1 somehow earned ~20 million USD in North India. Nobody expected that. The sequel earned some 100 million USD from north india. The movie was an exception, probably because it captured themes common across India (ancient mythology based mostly on Hinduism). That rarely happens. Obviously hollywood can't do that.

So while indian market is also growing extremely fast overall and the number of screens and density has a lot of room to grow, it will be a long time before you see a single movie making something like 500 million USD there. And hollywood having as big a chunk of that as in China? Forget about it
 
I'll agree with you on most of that, but I'll fight you to the death if you continue dissing John Ritter that way

John Ritter is great

John Ritter in IT was not very good. Almost nobody but Curry was good in IT.

Surprisingly, I remember Harry Anderson and... maaaaaybe Tim Reid actually doing something with their characters? Maybe?

That miniseries is fucking bad.

And I think IT can clear 80mil opening weekend. I don't know if I'm comfy saying it will, but yeah, $60mil feels like the floor for that movie, not the ceiling.
 

Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
The popularity of Stranger Things makes me think there's a decent audience for a good IT movie out there.
 
The cultural case of coulraphobia that most of America currently has was basically invented by Stephen King, and solidified by that stupid miniseries. To the point where the concept of an innocent clown is now almost completely non-existent.
 
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Anth0ny

Member
The cultural case of coulraphobia that most of America currently has was basically invented by Stephen King, and solidified by that stupid miniseries. To the point where the concept of an innocent clown is now almost completely non-existent.

This is true, but I remember as a kid never even hearing of IT and still being creeped the fuck out by real life Ronald McDonald, so I do think there's something to the idea that clown makeup on a human is just creepy, period.
 
I think you're right (I never liked em much when I was a kid either) but I feel like King basically gave everyone permission to finally say "Yunno what? This whole...thing is weird and off-putting, isn't it?"

I feel like the clown in Poltergeist helped pave the way, too.
 

Shauni

Member
This is true, but I remember as a kid never even hearing of IT and still being creeped the fuck out by real life Ronald McDonald, so I do think there's something to the idea that clown makeup on a human is just creepy, period.

Yeah, I mean King (well, more so Tim Curry via the miniseries) popularized it, but the fear of clowns has always been a thing. Evil clown characters can be traced back to late 19th to early 20th century.
 
King maybe seeing the clown in Poltergeist while fueled on cocaine to inspire him further.
I can't remember if he talked about the inspiration for IT in On Writing.
 

BumRush

Member
I think you're right (I never liked em much when I was a kid either) but I feel like King basically gave everyone permission to finally say "Yunno what? This whole...thing is weird and off-putting, isn't it?"

I feel like the clown in Poltergeist helped pave the way, too.

I was just about to say this. It's sort of like how dolls can be creepy but Chucky gave people a reason to finally say "Yunno what? This whole...thing is weird and off-putting, isn't it?"
 

Shauni

Member
King maybe seeing the clown in Poltergeist while fueled on cocaine to inspire him further.
I can't remember if he talked about the inspiration for IT in On Writing.

I don't think he ever has, but the most likely influence most assume is John Gacy, who kidnapped, tortured and murdered over 30 young boys and his persona as Pogo the Clown was a huge part of the media surrounding the case. That was in 78-79, so not too long before King probably actually started writing IT.
 

BumRush

Member
The dolls with the working eyelids always skeeved me out.

When we were kids my sister had a doll made after her, which was sold in stores like Toys R Us, etc. It had her voice, her image and working eyelids. It creeped me out so much at the time, but when I was like 10-11, the battery connection started to wear out on one of her dolls we had at the house and the voice - still saying sweet things like "mommy, do you want to play house" - took on a deep, slow, demonic tone. It scarred me for 2-3 years.
 

Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
When we were kids my sister had a doll made after her, which was sold in stores like Toys R Us, etc. It had her voice, her image and working eyelids. It creeped me out so much at the time, but when I was like 10-11, the battery connection started to wear out on one of her dolls we had at the house and the voice - still saying sweet things like "mommy, do you want to play house" - took on a deep, slow, demonic tone. It scarred me for 2-3 years.

Somewhere, R.L. Stine is scribbling this idea down
 
When we were kids my sister had a doll made after her, which was sold in stores like Toys R Us, etc. It had her voice, her image and working eyelids. It creeped me out so much at the time, but when I was like 10-11, the battery connection started to wear out on one of her dolls we had at the house and the voice - still saying sweet things like "mommy, do you want to play house" - took on a deep, slow, demonic tone. It scarred me for 2-3 years.
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Zetta

Member
When we were kids my sister had a doll made after her, which was sold in stores like Toys R Us, etc. It had her voice, her image and working eyelids. It creeped me out so much at the time, but when I was like 10-11, the battery connection started to wear out on one of her dolls we had at the house and the voice - still saying sweet things like "mommy, do you want to play house" - took on a deep, slow, demonic tone. It scarred me for 2-3 years.

I'm not going to lie Bumrush you just scared me a bit, going to drink a beer now.
 
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