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Lez talk mechanical keyboards

Max_Po

Banned
"Any one has any experience with Vortex stuff..."

I don't have one, but Vortex is probably one of the most well regarded mechanical manufacturers out there. Their Poker series boards in particular are extremely popular.

Yes, I saw CORE - Poker and Race3

The pain in the ass is getting them to Canada. There is none available on Amazon.ca and there is a 30 US shipping from mechanicalKeyboards....

There is a Massdrop available with a 2 month delay...
 

Tripon

Member
Yes, I saw CORE - Poker and Race3

The pain in the ass is getting them to Canada. There is none available on Amazon.ca and there is a 30 US shipping from mechanicalKeyboards....

There is a Massdrop available with a 2 month delay...

Yeah, it took about a month for me to get my New poker II.
 

chaosblade

Unconfirmed Member
I have a Corsair K70 with brown switches and I'm not really happy with it. I came from a Logitech keyboard with Romer keys and didn't like those either..

The K70 with browns feel kinda mushy to me and bottom out super easy. It just doesn't feel all that great to type or game on. I tried green keys on a Razer board and I really liked the clicky feel but I don't really care for any of their boards.

Based on that, what type of keys or boards should I be looking at? I've heard blue switches are similar to Razer's greens and are clicky but I've never got to try one and it seems like (with Corsair at least), blue switches aren't common.

Any other clicky options out there?

Blues are one of the most common switch types. You probably won't find many in big box retail stores but looking online you will find they are a dime a dozen (not literally, unfortunately). Including from Corsair, but some of their boards are red/brown only.

For Cherry switches other than blues, there are greens but those are going to be actually rare and a lot more expensive. They are basically the same switch but with a much stiffer spring, so the key requires roughly double the amount of force to press.

Beyond that, you would basically need to look into other brands of switches. They will generally be "clones" of blues or greens, with some subtle differences in terms of actuation force and overall feel. The Razer greens would be a good example of that, apparently being a clone of Cherry blue.
 
BTW, since I am here, What's the opinion on the Unicomp IBM Model M replicas? I always wanted one of those, but the shipping cost to europe (plus customs) always puts me away from ordering one.
 

kami_sama

Member
I recently bought Cherry MX Speed Corsair K95, please tell me I made a good decision?

Amazon link

Ehhhh, it is serviceable, but there are better keyboards in the market.
Also, I would have gone for silent switches, speeds don't have any advantage compared to normal reds, but silent reds (or pinks) are noticeable quiet than their normal counterparts.
Also, I cannot stand full sized keyboards anymore, having the hands so separated is not exactly one thing I like now that I've tried other form factors.
 

OraleeWey

Member
Ehhhh, it is serviceable, but there are better keyboards in the market.
Also, I would have gone for silent switches, speeds don't have any advantage compared to normal reds, but silent reds (or pinks) are noticeable quiet than their normal counterparts.
Also, I cannot stand full sized keyboards anymore, having the hands so separated is not exactly one thing I like now that I've tried other form factors.

It's not too late to return it (still in the way), what do you recommend? I mostly use it for gaming.
 

kami_sama

Member
I found the silents very stiff and basically not ideal for typing. Perhaps good for games without headphones?

Stiff? They have the same spring as the reds, and that's the lighter cherry switch.
You might have tried the silent blacks, those are 60gf I think.
As for the keyboard oralee, if you don't mind newegg, there's this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16823129048
It is also rgb, with the standard layout and it has reds, which are almost the same as speeds.
 

laxu

Member
I have a Corsair K70 with brown switches and I'm not really happy with it. I came from a Logitech keyboard with Romer keys and didn't like those either..

The K70 with browns feel kinda mushy to me and bottom out super easy. It just doesn't feel all that great to type or game on. I tried green keys on a Razer board and I really liked the clicky feel but I don't really care for any of their boards.

Based on that, what type of keys or boards should I be looking at? I've heard blue switches are similar to Razer's greens and are clicky but I've never got to try one and it seems like (with Corsair at least), blue switches aren't common.

Any other clicky options out there?

Clicky switches can be troublesome for gaming as they might not return fast enough for things like double tapping the key due to their design. Cherry makes two clicky switches, the blue and green switch. The difference is that green is much stiffer so if you keep bottoming out then that might be for you. Finding a board with them is going to be difficult though.

If bottoming out is an issue then you might also consider something like Cherry MX Clears which are very heavy weight. Again, hard to find and some say they can be really fatigueing over time. I use Zealio switches which are similar but with less force needed and they feel really good but you are looking at self-built custom boards at that point.
 

Iced

Member
I currently own a CM Storm Quickfire Pro with Cherry MX brown switches. Bought it before moving in with my now wife, and didn't consider how annoying it can be. Installed dampeners but they only helped slightly.

Yesterday I ordered a Corsair Strafe with Cherry MX silent switches from Amazon. Wondering if anyone has a better suggestion for me? I can't seem to find any other keyboards that have the same switches. I want to stay on the mechanical train, but I want it to be as quiet as possible.
 

chaosblade

Unconfirmed Member
Yeah also in the market for a silent mechanical. I have blues now at the moment and it's driving me crazy

Blues are made to be loud and clicky, lol.

If you don't bottom out any linear or tactile keys will be pretty quiet. O-rings can help dampen sound if you can't avoid bottoming out, which is likely on a red or brown switch.

You could also get a stiffer switch to help avoid bottoming out, like blacks (linear) or clears (tactile). Or greys which are linear or tactile but probably too stiff for most, and even rarer than clears for a full keyboard.
 

Aerocrane

Member
I currently own a CM Storm Quickfire Pro with Cherry MX brown switches. Bought it before moving in with my now wife, and didn't consider how annoying it can be. Installed dampeners but they only helped slightly.

Yesterday I ordered a Corsair Strafe with Cherry MX silent switches from Amazon. Wondering if anyone has a better suggestion for me? I can't seem to find any other keyboards that have the same switches. I want to stay on the mechanical train, but I want it to be as quiet as possible.

MX Silent switches are also available on Filco Majestouch 2 and Leopold FC750R and FC980M. Silent switches are probably your best bet for a quiet mechanical keyboard.
 
Blues are made to be loud and clicky, lol.

If you don't bottom out any linear or tactile keys will be pretty quiet. O-rings can help dampen sound if you can't avoid bottoming out, which is likely on a red or brown switch.

You could also get a stiffer switch to help avoid bottoming out, like blacks (linear) or clears (tactile). Or greys which are linear or tactile but probably too stiff for most, and even rarer than clears for a full keyboard.
Hah I know. I was in the market for blues when I got them. I love my keyboard and how it feels. But I need to get quiet switches now.
 
Stiff? They have the same spring as the reds, and that's the lighter cherry switch.
You might have tried the silent blacks, those are 60gf I think.

It was a Corsair Strafe MX Silent. I didn't realize there were different types of silent switch. Is there a keyboard out there with a silent version of the mx brown? (Edit: Seems not, just red and black..)
 

wilflare

Member
I wanted to buy the Leopold FC980 but I just realised the keyboard layout is different :/
I really like my experience with my 5+ years old Filco MX Brown but more and more, the keys are messing up (i.e. I press $ but I get #...)

what's a good successor to my Filco MX Brown?
 

AsianOni

Member
I wanted to buy the Leopold FC980 but I just realised the keyboard layout is different :/
I really like my experience with my 5+ years old Filco MX Brown but more and more, the keys are messing up (i.e. I press $ but I get #...)

what's a good successor to my Filco MX Brown?

What about a Leopold FC750R ?
 

AsianOni

Member
Then there's the FC900R for the fullsize.

The Leopold keyboards are actually quite good. I'd put them above Ducky. Can't say much about Filco as I never had one, but I find them more expensive than average for what it offers.

Vortex is known for their Poker keyboards. I don't know much about their TKL/Fullsize models.
 

Soodanim

Gold Member
This thread reminded me that I owned a TKL Cherry Red Ducky One for a few days - returned it very quickly. It was awful to type on those red switches. I think it's a shame that so few of the Cherry switches are readily available as an option for keyboards, as I think Clear would be something I'd like but compared to the other 4 (blue, red, black, brown) it is a lot less popular. I'd love to be able to properly try keyboards before buying, but this is such an online industry these days that my only choice seems to be to buy then return.
 

Gojeran

Member
This thread reminded me that I owned a TKL Cherry Red Ducky One for a few days - returned it very quickly. It was awful to type on those red switches. I think it's a shame that so few of the Cherry switches are readily available as an option for keyboards, as I think Clear would be something I'd like but compared to the other 4 (blue, red, black, brown) it is a lot less popular. I'd love to be able to properly try keyboards before buying, but this is such an online industry these days that my only choice seems to be to buy then return.

This is the exact keyboard I have in my shopping cart. I've used reds in my shine 2 for years without issue but I want a smaller keyboard and one that is backlit red so it matches the rest of my build. Other than the typing feel (I mostly use mine for gaming so reds suit me fine) is there any other reason you returned the keyboard? I really love my shine 2 other than it's size at this point so wanted to stick with Ducky unless the quality otherwise has dropped?
 

Iced

Member
I currently own a CM Storm Quickfire Pro with Cherry MX brown switches. Bought it before moving in with my now wife, and didn't consider how annoying it can be. Installed dampeners but they only helped slightly.

Yesterday I ordered a Corsair Strafe with Cherry MX silent switches from Amazon. Wondering if anyone has a better suggestion for me? I can't seem to find any other keyboards that have the same switches. I want to stay on the mechanical train, but I want it to be as quiet as possible.

Update: Corsair Strafe with Cherry MX silent switches arrived today and it is glorious. I don't miss my brown keys whatsoever. This just feels so much better to type on, and it's ridiculously quiet (aside from the space bar I suppose, which makes a clicking sound when I press it harder than I likely should). Very, very pleased with this keyboard. Can't wait to play some games with it later.
 

Aerocrane

Member
think I still prefer a full keyboard (rather than a TKL) as I do use the number pad quite often :/

but how does Leopold quality compare to Filco (or even Vortex... think I vaguely remember some saying Vortex is very good)

Leopold has great quality and they come with nice PBT keycaps. In my opinion the dampening mat used doesn't make much of a difference in sound. Since you have a Filco, I doubt the detachable cable matters much, but it's nice to have. Leopold are in the process of rolling out new versions of their keyboard lineup with double-shot PBT keycaps.
 

wilflare

Member
Leopold has great quality and they come with nice PBT keycaps. In my opinion the dampening mat used doesn't make much of a difference in sound. Since you have a Filco, I doubt the detachable cable matters much, but it's nice to have. Leopold are in the process of rolling out new versions of their keyboard lineup with double-shot PBT keycaps.

guess it'll be good for me to try to hold out for a little while
 

pmj

Member
I picked up and installed my new cheapo chinese PBT SDA keycaps today. My first PBT ones, probably. I quickly dismissed the blue and yellow color combination they had because I'm swedish and those are the colors of the swedish flag. I Instead picked the white and blue colors, and only now, when I looked down at the assembled keyboard, did I realize I had instead chosen the colors of the flag of Finland.

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Obligatory pic. Sorry for the potatocam.

I had the idea when ordering that if I ever felt like it I could mix and match the new keycaps with my old black ones to get black with blue accents, but the new ones feel very different, and nicer. More... solid? Definitely different in texture. There is more friction between finger and key. I guess this is how my keyboard is going to look for a while now.

Also today, I decided it was a good idea to blow 190 usd on a bunch of Godspeed keycaps I won't get until late February. Massdrop. Everyone who cares probably already knows.

I'm curious about the XDA profile. Like SDA but with slightly larger tops, from what I gather.
 

OraleeWey

Member
Macro keys confuse me. I guess I'm not entirely sure what they are/do. I'm trying to program a micro key to be control alt delete. But once I try to, it just breaks my PC. It tries to delete everything! What a confusing time I had when everything ended up on the recycle bin. I have a K95 keyboard if it helps.
 
I am looking for a mechanical keyboard in Canada.
- Under $125
- Reds or Browns
- RGB Preferred
- Detachable Cable

Is there anything good out there that meets those specs or is everything there crap and I am better off dropping the RGB?
 

perorist

Unconfirmed Member
Has anyone heard of this company called Havit? Looks like they have a really slim profile mechanical keyboard that some say feel like scissor switches https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0722GG88M/?tag=neogaf0e-20

The reviews are good but fakespot gives it an F

I used a scissor switch KB for like 10 years before getting my das 4 so if this thing is any good I'm willing to pick one up as a secondary keyboard. Otherwise I'm looking at a corsair K63
 

dralla

Member
I picked up my first two mechanical keyboards this week and I have some questions/impressions. I work on a computer all day and figured I'd make the switch.

Orginally I bought this one - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0XQI2A/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I saw it on slickdeals and managed to pick it up relatively cheap. It looks similar to all the others in the same price range. I immediately loved it. The keys are very easy to push and give a nice, loud sound and a satisfying click. It almost sounds like a typewriter.

A few days later I saw another keyboard on slickdeals. This one with Cherry MX Blue switches. It was a seemingly amazing deal I picked up two of them. Each one only cost $38 ($115 is the usual price). The keyboard - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MDRT0AU/?tag=neogaf0e-20

While the MP D20 is better built and has a lot more features, the keys are much more resistant and difficult to push down. I kinda figured going from "generic" branded Cherry imitator switches to genuine Cherry switches, it would be the opposite. The D20 feels closer to a membrane keyboard to me compared to the Aukey. Is this generally how Cherry blue's feel? I know the other Cherry switches are supposed to be easier to push but these aren't quite as smooth as I was expecting.
 

chaosblade

Unconfirmed Member
I picked up my first two mechanical keyboards this week and I have some questions/impressions. I work on a computer all day and figured I'd make the switch.

Orginally I bought this one - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0XQI2A/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I saw it on slickdeals and managed to pick it up relatively cheap. It looks similar to all the others in the same price range. I immediately loved it. The keys are very easy to push and give a nice, loud sound and a satisfying click. It almost sounds like a typewriter.

A few days later I saw another keyboard on slickdeals. This one with Cherry MX Blue switches. It was a seemingly amazing deal I picked up two of them. Each one only cost $38 ($115 is the usual price). The keyboard - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MDRT0AU/?tag=neogaf0e-20

While the MP D20 is better built and has a lot more features, the keys are much more resistant and difficult to push down. I kinda figured going from "generic" branded Cherry imitator switches to genuine Cherry switches, it would be the opposite. The D20 feels closer to a membrane keyboard to me compared to the Aukey. Is this generally how Cherry blue's feel? I know the other Cherry switches are supposed to be easier to push but these aren't quite as smooth as I was expecting.

Looks like the Outemu blue switch has a bit lower actuation force than the Cherry blue (45 vs 50). The switch itself may also be smoother, I know Gaterons are often cited as feeling smoother than their Cherry counterparts despite being "clones."
 

Tripon

Member
I picked up my first two mechanical keyboards this week and I have some questions/impressions. I work on a computer all day and figured I'd make the switch.

Orginally I bought this one - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0XQI2A/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I saw it on slickdeals and managed to pick it up relatively cheap. It looks similar to all the others in the same price range. I immediately loved it. The keys are very easy to push and give a nice, loud sound and a satisfying click. It almost sounds like a typewriter.

A few days later I saw another keyboard on slickdeals. This one with Cherry MX Blue switches. It was a seemingly amazing deal I picked up two of them. Each one only cost $38 ($115 is the usual price). The keyboard - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MDRT0AU/?tag=neogaf0e-20

While the MP D20 is better built and has a lot more features, the keys are much more resistant and difficult to push down. I kinda figured going from "generic" branded Cherry imitator switches to genuine Cherry switches, it would be the opposite. The D20 feels closer to a membrane keyboard to me compared to the Aukey. Is this generally how Cherry blue's feel? I know the other Cherry switches are supposed to be easier to push but these aren't quite as smooth as I was expecting.
D20 with my blues are my current home keyboard. Get some pbt keycaps, will help a lot making the keyboard feel like you expect it to.b
 

Rektash

Member
Hey guys, any recommendations for use in a rather spacious three people office room? I am looking for something with an understated look that doesn't scream GAMER and without lighting/RGB. Additionally I need a switch that is as silent as possible.

I am currently using a Das Keyboard Prime 13 at home which I really like but ultimately the cherry brown switches are too loud for office use I feel.

Money isn't really much of a factor - I will type on that keyboard all day (developer) and am willing to dish out the money required to make that as comfortable as possible.
 

SifuSeafood

Neo Member
Hey guys, any recommendations for use in a rather spacious three people office room? I am looking for something with an understated look that doesn't scream GAMER and without lighting/RGB. Additionally I need a switch that is as silent as possible.

I am currently using a Das Keyboard Prime 13 at home which I really like but ultimately the cherry brown switches are too loud for office use I feel.

Money isn't really much of a factor - I will type on that keyboard all day (developer) and am willing to dish out the money required to make that as comfortable as possible.

Interesting you find brown switches to be loud. You must be bottoming out... Have you looked into O-Rings?
 

Rektash

Member
Interesting you find brown switches to be loud. You must be bottoming out... Have you looked into O-Rings?

Great, idea! I might need to look into O-Rings to make the noise level more acceptable with the cherry browns. You are right, I am 100% bottoming out while typing.
 

SifuSeafood

Neo Member
Great, idea! I might need to look into O-Rings to make the noise level more acceptable with the cherry browns. You are right, I am 100% bottoming out while typing.

You can look into modding your current board with heavier springs or purchase a keyboard with Cherry MX Clear switches.
 

Tonza

Member
Just got my first real mechanical keyboard. I was previously using some weird plunger keyboard by thermaltake.
Got the Steelseries M400 which has Steelseries QX1 switches. They seem like MX Red copies. (linear with 45 actuation force, probably by Kailh)

For the price (50 euros), I am really happy with it. I may have to invest in some o-rings though since Im not used to the sound. ( I still tend to bottom out the keys more often than not )
I would assume the o-rings made for cherry caps would work with these as they seem copies?
 
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Mechanical Switches ~credit to bhlaab/claviertekky
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Chery MX Blue (very loud; tactile feedback; 50 g actuation):
The #1 recommendation for typing, but really loud and has minor problems detecting quick double-taps (making them not always perfect for games)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823201040

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Cherry MX Black (loud; no tactile feedback; 60 g actuation):
Quiet(er), has no trouble with double-taps, but a lot of people find that the keys require a little bit too much force to press and you won't feel any tactile feedback (which some consider a major selling point of mechanical keyboards). These are considered "for gaming" but can also make typing uncomfortable.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823201045

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Cherry MX Brown

A middle ground between Blue and Black with both strengths and weaknesses. You can't double tap as easily as Black, but it's not as much of a problem as with Blue. There's a tactile sensation with typing, but it doesn't pop quite as much as Blue does. Not as loud as blue, but louder than Black.

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Cherry MX Red (like black switches with only 45 g actuation)
Similar to Black switches, except much "lighter" and requiring less force. This can either be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how you look at it. Reds are very rare and tend to be more expensive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823201044

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Cherry MX Clear
Like browns, but "stiffer" and more tactile, making them skewed slightly more towards Blue than Black. The level of force required is comparable to a typical rubber dome keyboard. Very rare.

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Cherry MX Green (medium stiff, tactile, clicky )
These switches are considered a more stiff, heavier version of the Cherry MX Blues. More releases coming forth will be using the MX Greens.

http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=199

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Resources ~credit to fart

OK, now for static resources, the best at the moment is probably the OCN mechanical keyboard wiki:
http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/me...keyboard-guide

GEEKHACK: http://www.geekhack.org/ is THE english-language resource for mechanical keyboards (we also have some excellent wikis, but we're having technical difficulties with them at the moment). You are strongly invited to come join us and geek out about keyboards, gaming, and other geeky stuff. We also have many active design and small-scale manufacturing efforts, as well as an excellent and very active classifieds board (COI note: I moderate this board).

DESKTHORITY: http://www.deskthority.com/ is excellent for local commerce and european language conversation if you're across the pond to the east.

OTD.kr, KBDMANIA.com: Korean-only; the world's foremost keyboard experts.

KBTALKING.cn, others: Chinese-only; the world's other foremost keyboard experts.

Watching the gifs makes me wonder what kind of buttons I'm pressing now XD
 

-SG

Member
Another hard pressed Canadian here looking for a Pok3r - White w/ MX Clears. Trying to avoid insane shipping + duties so let me know if anyone is selling. Thanks.
 

Addnan

Member
Is there a guide to knock off cherry mx or non cherry mx keyboards? Need something cheaper for the office and feels like brown or blue.
 

accx

Member
Hey guys, any recommendations for use in a rather spacious three people office room? I am looking for something with an understated look that doesn't scream GAMER and without lighting/RGB. Additionally I need a switch that is as silent as possible.

I am currently using a Das Keyboard Prime 13 at home which I really like but ultimately the cherry brown switches are too loud for office use I feel.

Money isn't really much of a factor - I will type on that keyboard all day (developer) and am willing to dish out the money required to make that as comfortable as possible.

Matias quiet click switches. Or a Topre keyboard i guess. All cherrys will be superloud and annoying in a office setting. Doesn't matter if you're using O-rings.
I've owned a cherry red keyboard, a black and had a roommate with blues (that year really really sucked). Trust me, all of them are too loud. I tried modding my cherry red keyboard to hell and back but in the end i blind bought a matias quiet click keyboard, and i'm super glad i did. It also has the benefit of being probably the most comfortable keyboard ever to type on. Looks like shit though.
If you want it even quieter you could always use some type of cloth under it. I actually have it on a old plastic mouse pad which has an extra layer of rubber under it.
Can't beat that in terms of sound. I haven't tried topres but i believe they're even quieter?
Like i said, stay away from cherry. They're bad in terms of sound, feel and pretty much everything. I don't understand why those switches are so popular. ALPS all the way!
 

Macnair

Member
I think the best way to test the noise is to buy a switch tester then try it in the office. Most of the guys in my office uses browns and so far none are getting annoyed. Currently using a Tada68.

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I'm planning an ortholinear keyboard with outemu purple switches soon.
 

Koren

Member
I'm not sure a switch tester is that great to estimate the noise a full keyboard will make, but that's better than nothing...

They're bad in terms of sound, feel and pretty much everything. I don't understand why those switches are so popular. ALPS all the way!
I'm more and more thinking I'll use ALPS to build my (slightly modified) Ergodox.

It's not easy, though... Not pin compatible, far less options for PBT keycaps, and I think they all require a plate :/
 
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