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Fighting Game Headquarters |eSports| 4444 Life
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I'm tempted because KOFXIV is the one fighting game I own physically. But also I never play it so double dipping is insane. How much does the Deluxe edition go for with the art book and everything? If I sell/trade that for $20 in PSN credit I would definitely do it (and not having to pay shipping fees, of course).
I also want to buy that SFV S1 costume pack on discount but I don't play any of those characters, except Karin, so that's also dumb. But I main Rog so going dumb is all I know.
lucebuce12
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Admitting it is the first step.
It just takes time. It gets challenging when you're first learning it, especially if it's a game that plays somewhat similar (like KI and Street Fighter) but overtime it just becomes muscle memory to the point where you don't even need to think about the switch.
The weirdest thing about Tekken is how defense is inverted from nearly every 2D fighter because you're primarily stand blocking everything as opposed to crouch blocking. Breaking that habit was the tricky part.
ShadowSoldier89
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Turbanator
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Speaking of tekken bugs
That's what started this convo.
ShadowSoldier89
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I feel like I then walked into this conversation afterwards cuz I didnt even see bugs mentioned til I posted. Carry on then my bad.
I need to make a gif the next time I clip someone against the corner on devil's pit or uh..the other rocky stage...that one causing teleporting is the one driving me the most nuts.
EDIT: Oh it was in a twitter link...I never click those. So at least we now have a nice embedded link for everyone to see
for reasons that annoy people if I bring it up again
Speaking of tekken bugs
The way he slides across the floor is hilarious lol
During Grand Finals or during an EVO suite?
I think it's something different. Aside from being a commentator, n0pants held it while in the elevator, not during a match. Here's a link to n0pant's story, anyway.
Standing neutral guard typically blocks one move or string (not high/low), after that you have to block manually. If you've been hit it also won't block anything following that.
Crossups do exist in Tekken. They are rare and usually happen at the wall, but it's not new to Tekken 7. Camera tricks were even legit strategies in Tekken Tag 1.
All that aside, yes they should make the camera more reliable during rage arts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7ejH3kvT6k
Yo, there's ANOTHER puke story? That was good, but not near the god-tier level of focus the in-match barf-hold story.
That's it! Thanks
sixteen-bit
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for reasons that annoy people if I bring it up again
Speaking of tekken bugs
lmao
You might be thinking of Dragon Ball Super. Super DBZ is the Arcade/PS2 game made by ARIKA in 2006.
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2017...yo-game-show-1-million-yen-prize-first-place/
Why is it this year that Capcom finally opens up the purse strings for TGS?
Hi guys, don't want to derail the discussion, but I just have one main question: Why did SF X Tekken not have any staying power? Was it all the malarky with the gems? or as I recall (perhaps incorrectly) that it was PS exclusive? I've been playing the game and it is a lot of fun (once again, assuming you ignore the gem bullshit)
also, if someone could download three of my replays so I can get the trophy that would be swell. Sorry to ask but you know how it goes. PSN is Hycran
It wasn't PS exclusive, but the PS version had 5 bonus characters. Funny thing is that I remember that data for MegaMan and Pacman were found in the PC version but nothing came of it in the end. 2 vs 2 was also borked on the 360 if I'm not mistaken so that might as well have been a PS exclusive, too.
As for why it failed, I think these were the main factors:
1- The gems. They really felt like a pointless cash grab that hurt the balance. Didn't help that some of the good ones had to be bought.
2- The DLC fiasco. Having all those complete characters locked on disc and just sitting on them until the Vita port was ready did the games reputation no favor, either.
3- Balance and battle system were off and made the game not fun to play or watch. I only came after v.2013 so I never experienced this, though.
4- First (and only) EVO showing for the game had mandatory teams of 2 if you wanted to play. Players didn't like that at all and it ended up being overshadowed by the game it was meant to replace.
lucebuce12
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Ahh gems. https://youtu.be/e_QEZ2VM7ws?t=5m40s
Ahh jab fighter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8vXYf8PYgc
Ahh jab fighter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8vXYf8PYgc
It may be more that because this is an invitational event and not something people are paying entry fees for, they may actually be able to put up the money for it.
I do know that laws regarding skill-based contests in Japan are really bizarre. I wonder if it's the difference between invitational events vs. open entry tournaments. And would qualification-based events (such as ArcRevo or King of Iron Fist) be considered an invitational? It's all kind of bizarre.
Because it's an invitational so they're allowed to give prize money(that's how Namco does it too with Tekken's version of CPT). It's also probably some deal with a TV network/TGS organizers/sponsors, no way Capcom handing out that amount of money for a 8 man invitational all by themselves.
It showed up again next year at EVO with 1v1 but the harm was already done.
Also, gems really made random online games unplayable too, which hurt the game a lot in the long run, even past the inertial backlash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_QEZ2VM7ws&feature=youtu.be&t=9m2s
Game had a lot of problems (gems, DLC, balance...), but the thing that sealed its fate is that Capcom continued to support SFIV. So no need to switch.
Oh. Okay.
sixteen-bit
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SFxTK gave us Gems Chen and for that I'm grateful
In addition to what was already mentioned SFxT looked very much like SF4, a game that was four years older, but with some garish filters that served to make everything look uglier. And SF4 wasn't a pretty game to begin with.
Reusing assets was perfectly fine considering the huge roster but when Capcom would reuse sprites in games like MvC or CvS usually the stuff surrounding the characters (backgrounds, UI, hit sparks, etc.) looked like a modest upgrade. SFxT was hideous all-around. Capcom is lucky SFxT didn't have staying power otherwise they'd be hit with a class action lawsuit after players lost their eyesight from staring too long at the game's burnt neon aesthetic.
Dev 1: "This is a crossover between Street Fighter and Tekken. What's the ugliest thing about Tekken that we can use as the basis for the game's art design?"
Dev 2: "Uh, those goofy hit sparks they've been using since the PS1 that looked like they were created by a kid with a cracked copy of Photoshop in 1995?"
Dev 1: "Perfect! We'll smear everything in neon, fire, lightning, and flaming lightning."
lucebuce12
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Capcpcops strike again: https://clips.twitch.tv/ArbitraryExcitedLeopardRaccAttack
Honestly, I'm surprised Zhi even gets work still, let alone Jiyuna.
Zhi's got a record of saying a ton of shit that, if it hits mainstream gaming media, would end up being another black eye for the FGC and contribute to the struggle for the FGC gaining legitimacy in competitive gaming TBH.
Such a shame, Jiyuna is a fantastic commentator.
Someone mentioned on reddit that Arcsys has blacklisted him as well.
I liked playing Ammy and Yoda, so this may sustain me.
The stuff with Jiyuna does not surprise me too much, but I am surprised he got harsher treatment than Zhi did (where sometimes Zhi is just another Cross Counter-esque incident waiting to happen).
biosnake20
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Jiyuna just needs a strong zero sponsorship.
Master Milk
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in what universe does the fgc need to gain legitimacy in competitive gaming? what the fuck does that even mean?
Gotta get those Disney XD viewers, man.
Fighting games are already legitimate. What Enzo meant was that FGC events and game companies need to keep it professional so that sponsors actually pour money in and fighting game developers actually care enough to invest into the competitive aspect of the games.
Otherwise you have Daigo and co playing for chump change while Kuroky is earning 10 million in DOTA 2.
It's in everyone's best interest that FGs get to a level where if you are good at a game then you can compete full time and not worry about paying the bills or putting food on the table. You can't do that if you don't have sponsors or big E sports teams.
lucebuce12
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There was talk of this in the IJ2 OT, but if Atom does indeed make it in then will that be the first character in a fighting game who's "gimmick" is changing their size (to smaller) than they are?