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Crackdown 3 delayed to Spring 2018

Raziel

Member
When Sony delays a game, most people: "GOOD."
When Microsoft delays a game, we have this thread.

Well since March 2015..

Delayed PS4 games:

Bloodborne - 92
Uncharted 4 - 93
The Last Guardian - 82
Horizon Zero Dawn - 89
Persona 5 - 93

Delayed XB1 games:

Quantum Break - 77
ReCore - 63
Fable Legends - canceled
Scalebound - canceled
Crackdown - ?
Sea of Thieves - ?
 

BondFancy

Member
Wow...Not surprised, hopefully when it comes out it's good. Very anemic year for team Xbox hopefully Gamescom shows 2018 off as a better year.
 

wowzors

Member
I was really looking forward to this, not because it looked great or anything but, I have really good memories from crackdown 1 with buddies (2 sucked butt).

They must have something up their sleeve for XB1X or else they are sending it to the wolves.
 

Bronetta

Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
I feel like they've put too much into it, there's no way they don't release it

'when' is the real question

Scalebound and Fable Legends say hi.
 
I understand the argument that Nathan Drake Collection took the place of Uncharted 4, but what exclusives "took the place" of The Order and Horizon Zero Dawn?
While release dates are important, the more important aspect is the library of exclusives the game is releasing into. After all, for new people buying into a platform, all previous exclusives are new to them. Exclusives for Microsoft are more significant simply because they have fewer of them.

Well since March 2015..

Delayed PS4 games:

Bloodborne - 92
Uncharted 4 - 93
The Last Guardian - 82
Horizon Zero Dawn - 89
Persona 5 - 93

Delayed XB1 games:

Quantum Break - 77
ReCore - 63
Fable Legends - canceled
Scalebound - canceled
Crackdown - ?
Sea of Thieves - ?

+1
 

tribal24

Banned
I was really looking forward to this, not because it looked great or anything but, I have really good memories from crackdown 1 with buddies (2 sucked butt).

They must have something up their sleeve for XB1X or else they are sending it to the wolves.

Yup i think they have something up their sleeve too. I'm going to bet its shadow of war exclusive for 6 months.
 

border

Member
But regardless, it feels like you're ignoring the context of all of this: 2016's line-up wasn't that great, and 2017's is even smaller.

2016 had Gears of War 4.

When Microsoft released Halo 5 and Sony had no counter punch, that worked out okay. When Microsoft released Gears 4 and Sony had no counter punch, that worked out okay. Now Microsoft delays a B/C-tier franchise that is nowhere near the level of GoW/Uncharted/Halo, and suddenly it's a disaster.
 
Well since March 2015..

Delayed PS4 games:

Bloodborne - 92
Uncharted 4 - 93
The Last Guardian - 82
Horizon Zero Dawn - 89
Persona 5 - 93

Delayed XB1 games:

Quantum Break - 77
ReCore - 63
Fable Legends - canceled
Scalebound - canceled
Crackdown - ?
Sea of Thieves - ?
The false equivalences between Sony and MS exclusives never fail to make me chuckle in these threads, and I have no ill will towards MS/xbox
 
Well since March 2015..

Delayed PS4 games:

Bloodborne - 92
Uncharted 4 - 93
The Last Guardian - 82
Horizon Zero Dawn - 89
Persona 5 - 93

Delayed XB1 games:

Quantum Break - 77
ReCore - 63
Fable Legends - canceled
Scalebound - canceled
Crackdown - ?
Sea of Thieves - ?
oh we listing now?
 

Metroidvania

People called Romanes they go the house?
Yup i think they have something up their sleeve too. I'm going to bet its shadow of war exclusive for 6 months.

If it is a timed exclusive I can't imagine that will bode well.

Especially after all the weird (if not negative) buzz the game is getting for some odd desigin decisions.

I really would like to be a fly on the wall when looking at the past year or two of MS 1st party studios, tho.
 

GHG

Member
Well since March 2015..

Delayed PS4 games:

Bloodborne - 92
Uncharted 4 - 93
The Last Guardian - 82
Horizon Zero Dawn - 89
Persona 5 - 93

Delayed XB1 games:

Quantum Break - 77
ReCore - 63
Fable Legends - canceled
Scalebound - canceled
Crackdown - ?
Sea of Thieves - ?

I for one am glad that Microsoft are protecting us from playing "bad" games like Scalebound and Fable Legends. I'm glad that I don't get to make the decision of whether to buy a game or not myself. They save me time and money in the process.

Your list is incomplete though
 
I feel like they've put too much into it, there's no way they don't release it

'when' is the real question

Those are sunk costs. At the end of the day if they don't think the cost of actually releasing a game (production, QA, manufacturing, marketing) is worth what they would project to sell, it makes sense to can a game. This is likely what happened with Fable.
 
Well since March 2015..

Delayed PS4 games:

Bloodborne - 92
Uncharted 4 - 93
The Last Guardian - 82
Horizon Zero Dawn - 89
Persona 5 - 93

Delayed XB1 games:

Quantum Break - 77
ReCore - 63
Fable Legends - canceled
Scalebound - canceled
Crackdown - ?
Sea of Thieves - ?

List war nonsense sir.
 

Swarlee

Member
I got a bit concerned for this when I learned about destruction being limited to multiplayer. Then seeing the single player looking similar to the original made me wonder if they just rushed to make a decent single player since the destruction concept wasn't coming together.

Either way this is bad news for a company asking for $500 for a new system.
 

Floody

Member
2016 had Gears of War 4.

When Microsoft released Halo 5 and Sony had no counter punch, that worked out okay. When Microsoft released Gears 4 and Sony had no counter punch, that worked out okay. Now Microsoft delays a B/C-tier franchise that is nowhere near the level of GoW/Uncharted/Halo, and suddenly it's a disaster.

Uncharted 4 was Sony's counter (not that they really needed too) to Gears 4, if was their big bundle game of the year. You don't need to release around the same time to counter something.
 

Mosse

Neo Member
1) From the things they did show, people ARE impressed. But we got lots of "I'll believe it when I play it." and "I don't think the multiplayer is coming out."
2) And Microsoft has Rise of the Tomb Raider, Halo 5 and Forza 6 that year. Microsoft clearly has the big guns that year. It just seems to me as if Microsoft just can't win.

When Microsoft has strong exclusive year, people think multiplayer is the one they care.
When Microsoft offers backward compatibility, people don't want to play old games.
When Microsoft makes a stronger machine from first party and third party games, people think only exclusives matter.
When Microsoft delays a game for polishing it, people think Microsoft betraying people's expectations.

Besides backward compatibility, all the other situations happen to Sony, too. And we get vastly different outcome. It's like some of the people here will never buy a Xbox no matter what and still make it a habit to rain on Microsoft, party or not.

Just look at the first page of the thread:
Rumor: Horizon: Zero Dawn delayed to early 2017 and you'll get what I mean. And this is just one example.

2016 had Gears of War 4.

When Microsoft released Halo 5 and Sony had no counter punch, that worked out okay. When Microsoft released Gears 4 and Sony had no counter punch, that worked out okay. Now Microsoft delays a B/C-tier franchise that is nowhere near the level of GoW/Uncharted/Halo, and suddenly it's a disaster.

All this is true... If you look at each situation in a vaccum, inside a bubble, ignoring everything around it. You could look at the Horizon example like Sony delaying a game and Microsoft delaying Crackdownd 3 is the same situation but people reacted different to them. Or you could look at it like delaying a game when you already have lots of games coming out that year is not the same as delaying a game when you don't have a lot of other games coming out.

If Microsoft had State of decay 2, Scalebound, Sea of thieves and Crackdown 3 coming out this year, then delaying one of them wouldn't be as big of a deal compared to now
 
Is listing to prove a point now an invalid argument tactic or what lol
it only serves to make/further an argument about one company being better than the other. if you don't like this delay, say that. if you don't like microsofts history with delays, say that. to express that frustration through saying "microsoft are doing this but when sony does it it's good look at these metacritic scores", that's childish

not everything microsoft does needs to be compared to sony. praise or criticise them on their own merits, the moment you inject sony into your argument you look like a warrior. there's no reason to be talking about sony in this thread
 

____

Member
I feel like you could have made the same arguments against the PS4 Pro though. If you want the superior version of this or that title there was always PC gaming as an option. Microsoft announced the X1X prior to the Pro, so there's an indeterminate number of people who may have just held out for Scorpio. I think it's far more likely that both the Pro and the X1X are targeted at a console-focused crowd that will buy anything and everything that's an upgrade. They got a Pro and they'll probably get an X1X because they want the best that's available at the time.

I would mostly agree here but I do think a lot of potential half-step upgraders on both sides said ‘fuck this' with regard to cost after the Pro wasn't a full-generational leap in performance like many hyped it to be.

With the even higher markup on the X from the price of the S than the Pro had compared to the PS4 I can see this being a bigger issue for Microsoft.
 

GHG

Member
The list kinda leaves out cancelled or abandoned Sony projects like Gnomaggedon and Stig Asmussen's Sony Santa Monica game. To be fair, I'm sure Microsoft has cancelled a fair number of low-profile projects as well.

Were those games announced? It would be a bit ridiculous to include projects that were never made public.

No Mans Sky is a game that springs to mind that is missing however.
 

Floody

Member
The list kinda leaves out cancelled or abandoned Sony projects like Gnomaggedon and Stig Asmussen's Sony Santa Monica game. To be fair, I'm sure Microsoft has cancelled a fair number of low-profile projects as well.

Sony never publicly announced either, both were leaks, not really sure why they'd be included.
 

Fat4all

Banned
The list kinda leaves out cancelled or abandoned Sony projects like Gnomaggedon and Stig Asmussen's Sony Santa Monica game. To be fair, I'm sure Microsoft has cancelled a fair number of low-profile projects as well.

i think the lists are looking at exclusives announced and then delayed
 
The list kinda leaves out cancelled or abandoned Sony projects like Gnomaggedon and Stig Asmussen's Sony Santa Monica game. To be fair, I'm sure Microsoft has cancelled a fair number of low-profile projects as well.
Because those games were gonna move numbers like Uncharted 4? I've never even heard of those. I saw Scalebound. I saw Fable Legends. I've seen Crackdown since what, the Xbone's first E3??? Let's be forreal...
 
Dog one of those games isn't even published by Sony.
Oh so you were being serious

The publisher doesn't even matter if it's exclusive to the platform?
Were those games announced? It would be a bit ridiculous to include projects that were never made public.

No Mans Sky is a game that springs to mind that is missing however.
No Man's Sky was finished though and on multiple platforms yeah?
 
2016 had Gears of War 4.

When Microsoft released Halo 5 and Sony had no counter punch, that worked out okay. When Microsoft released Gears 4 and Sony had no counter punch, that worked out okay. Now Microsoft delays a B/C-tier franchise that is nowhere near the level of GoW/Uncharted/Halo, and suddenly it's a disaster.

Yes... 2016 wasn't that great. I think there were about seven games, and GOW4 wasn't comparable to, say, 2.

You're making this more of a Sony/MS thing. I've already pointed out that the context is based on MS's history and their first party line-up in recent years, and in no reality was their 2016 line-up good. The fact that Sony's holiday game was The Last Guardian doesn't really mean anything considering their line-up for the year as a whole and the fact that Sony could have also had a bad line-up and it wouldn't change the fact that MS's was lackluster.

Rather than accepting mediocrity, demand more from Phil Spencer.
 

Fukuzatsu

Member
The list kinda leaves out cancelled or abandoned Sony projects like Gnomaggedon and Stig Asmussen's Sony Santa Monica game. To be fair, I'm sure Microsoft has cancelled a fair number of low-profile projects as well.

I mean maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but the cancellations/shutterings of Scalebound, new Phantom Dust, and Fable are on a bit of a different scale.

Also seeing as the nearest Sony equivalent (in terms of developer) to Scalebound is NieR, which turned out great, it's hard to argue the two are in anywhere near similarly dire straits.
 
In this thread, "No fair. You are using facts to make me look bad. Please go back to using unsubstantiated opinions so I can make up stuff unchallenged."
 
Well since March 2015..

Delayed PS4 games:

Bloodborne - 92
Uncharted 4 - 93
The Last Guardian - 82
Horizon Zero Dawn - 89
Persona 5 - 93

Delayed XB1 games:

Quantum Break - 77
ReCore - 63
Fable Legends - canceled
Scalebound - canceled
Crackdown - ?
Sea of Thieves - ?

Two of those delayed PS4 games are technically delayed PS3 games.
Who knows we may end up seeing Crackdown 3 on Xbox Two.
 

Ascenion

Member
Well since March 2015..

Delayed PS4 games:

Bloodborne - 92
Uncharted 4 - 93
The Last Guardian - 82
Horizon Zero Dawn - 89
Persona 5 - 93

Delayed XB1 games:

Quantum Break - 77
ReCore - 63
Fable Legends - canceled
Scalebound - canceled
Crackdown - ?
Sea of Thieves - ?

Sony didn't delay that. Sony didn't even publish that.
 

TLZ

Banned
Looks like they're staying away from other potential big hits that time like Mario Odyssey that may eclipse this.

Don't know what other titles are released that time for PS4 though.
 

Ghazgulsmash

Neo Member
This is very disappointing whoever running MS studios should quit/step down they have zero ideas or direction.

Come on MS should have built A first party team/studio and made Crackdown 3 themselves instead of using 3-4 studios to make a sub par looking game.
 
And Microsoft has Rise of the Tomb Raider, Halo 5 and Forza 6 that year. Microsoft clearly has the big guns that year. It just seems to me as if Microsoft just can't win.

You just listed 3 games that all came out in the last quarter of the year, and MS won one of those 3 months.
MS probably would have won the whole quarter if those games weren't competing with PS4 Pro/slim release and accompanying price cuts and marketing push.

The strategy of relying on big holiday releases is why this delay has more impact than
inevitable
Sony delays.
 

David___

Banned
The list kinda leaves out cancelled or abandoned Sony projects like Gnomaggedon and Stig Asmussen's Sony Santa Monica game. To be fair, I'm sure Microsoft has cancelled a fair number of low-profile projects as well.

Ah yes, two games that were both prominent at Sony's pressers throughout the years.

And besides, when the exodus happened at SSM and ND you'd see the same comments you see made in these threads that even spawned a "Whats going on at Sony?!?!?" meme
 

border

Member
If Microsoft had State of decay 2, Scalebound, Sea of thieves and Crackdown 3 coming out this year, then delaying one of them wouldn't be as big of a deal compared to now

When Sony delayed The Order, Uncharted 4, and Horizon, they didn't exactly have a plethora of big exclusive games to fill the holes in the lineup though.

At the end of the day though, I feel like all those delays were probably the right move. Exclusive titles got a bigger spotlight as a Spring release, and didn't have to contend with the massive marketing expenditures of third parties that were promoting Holiday titles. I'm not sure if Crackdown 3 will really see the same benefit though since it's looking like a much harder sell than any of Sony's delayed games.
 
Context is important. MS has canceled 3 already announced titles this gen. I think people are justified to be very skeptical.

Anyway, this thread is getting derailed hard by Sony too™
 

Iced Arcade

Member
I'm disappointed af BUT makes sense since it would without a doubt get lost in the crowded holiday release season that's already over crowded.
 
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