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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair

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Pixieking

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BoboBrazil said:
Nah he will still support his ass just from Breitbart. Trump will still talk directly to him on the phone every night I'm sure.
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This is the most likely scenario... If he's fired, Bannon will acquiesce to it for the sake of Trump's image, and the illusion of doing something to quell the MSM & liberal outrage. But it's patently clear that Trump and Bannon share the same (racist) worldview, so even with Bannon out of the White House, his agenda will continue to play-out. He can attack the liberals from Breitbart, have "secret" phone calls with Trump, and nothing will change. In fact, it may even be more grist to the mill for the right-wing narrative - they can claim on the one hand that Trump is a good guy for kicking Bannon out and the liberals should stop whining now he's gone, and on the other hand White Nationalists and Breitbart will insist that they've still got one of their own in the White House, as Trump has proven himself to be one of them.

The danger with the insistent push to remove Bannon is that the electorate and media will take it as a "win" if/when he goes, when the problem is (and always has been) Trump himself.
 
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RumbleHumble

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Who knew we'd have Bannon to blame for Trump's escalation with North Korea.

Wait...everyone. Everyone knew. Also makes sense why the knives are out for him. I doubt any military member in Trump's administration is interested in fighting China.
 
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BoboBrazil

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Pixieking said:
This is the most likely scenario... If he's fired, Bannon will acquiesce to it for the sake of Trump's image, and the illusion of doing something to quell the MSM & liberal outrage. But it's patently clear that Trump and Bannon share the same (racist) worldview, so even with Bannon out of the White House, his agenda will continue to play-out. He can attack the liberals from Breitbart, have "secret" phone calls with Trump, and nothing will change. In fact, it may even be more grist to the mill for the right-wing narrative - they can claim on the one hand that Trump is a good guy for kicking Bannon out and the liberals should stop whining now he's gone, and on the other hand White Nationalists and Breitbart will insist that they've still got one of their own in the White House, as Trump has proven himself to be one of them.

The danger with the insistent push to remove Bannon is that the electorate and media will take it as a "win" if/when he goes, when the problem is (and always has been) Trump himself.
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Yep, and even if Bannon goes there is still Stephen Miller there and still Fox News for Trump to watch daily to base his opinions on. Everything comes down to Trump. I'm sure under any other republican Priebus would have been a good chief of staff also.
 
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jack_package_200

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Everyone's favorite TYT member on the subject of Nazis losing their jobs for participating in a rally that killed someone.
 
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Blader

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Diablos said:
That Vice video was pretty raw. Can't believe this is happening in our country

It's gonna get so much worse.
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I said this the other day, but just imagine how much more explosive this white fragility bullshit is going to be in about 30 years, when America becomes a minority-majority country and whites literally aren't the majority of the population anymore.
 
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Valhelm

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post left are what you get when you imagine the snobbiest and most out-of-touch ivory tower leftist possible and then multiply that by 10
 
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We're really through the looking glass when I'm agreeing with every word Amanda Carpenter is saying. She also had a great line about Bannon, saying he thinks of himself as the "Grand Wizard of Oz."
 
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Snowman Prophet of Doom

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To be honest, this last weekend was the worst time of Trump's presidency thus far but also gave me quite a bit of hope, in that it appears pretty clear the country is not in any kind of climate to cross scary, irreversible lines en masse. Moreover, Trump may have royally screwed himself, in terms of political capital and Repubs being willing to sign off on his BS.
 
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Blader

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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
To be honest, this last weekend was the worst time of Trump's presidency thus far but also gave me quite a bit of hope, in that it appears pretty clear the country is not in any kind of climate to cross scary, irreversible lines en masse. Moreover, Trump may have royally screwed himself, in terms of political capital and Repubs being willing to sign off on his BS.
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I agree with the first half of your post, but this isn't going to do a single thing to make Republicans think twice about aligning with Trump policies. At best, maybe it'll force someone like Gary Cohn to quit and that throws a temporary wrench into tax reform talks.
 
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sangreal

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Blader said:
I agree with the first half of your post, but this isn't going to do a single thing to make Republicans think twice about aligning with Trump policies. At best, maybe it'll force someone like Gary Cohn to quit and that throws a temporary wrench into tax reform talks.
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And why would it? There is zero daylight between his agenda and theirs

Maybe they'll reject some of his crazier nominees but I doubt it
 
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Snowman Prophet of Doom

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Blader said:
I agree with the first half of your post, but this isn't going to do a single thing to make Republicans think twice about aligning with Trump policies. At best, maybe it'll force someone like Gary Cohn to quit and that throws a temporary wrench into tax reform talks.
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Not right away, but if this dings Trump worth another percent or two, we're that much closer, especially if the pressure and tension remains ratcheted up for GOPers to distance themselves from Trump every time he pulls BS like this (and he's going to pull a lot more of it!).
 
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skullmuffins

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sangreal said:
And why would it? There is zero daylight between his agenda and theirs
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Well there's the trade war shit that Bannon & Trump are into that isn't super popular among mainstream GOP. But I don't know how much the so-called Trump Agenda even carries weight in congress anyway. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are gonna pass the bills they want to (or at least, they're going to try) and Trump is going to sign them. Trump can sign EOs and create more Theme Weeks (they've been a huge success so far) but can anyone say he's really driving the agenda?
 
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Ogodei

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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
To be honest, this last weekend was the worst time of Trump's presidency thus far but also gave me quite a bit of hope, in that it appears pretty clear the country is not in any kind of climate to cross scary, irreversible lines en masse. Moreover, Trump may have royally screwed himself, in terms of political capital and Repubs being willing to sign off on his BS.
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It's all part of a spectrum, though. Folks would be more willing to stump for Trump's arguments if this were the first goofy thing he'd said and his approval rating was 15% higher. Folks'd be more willing to brush off "both sides" apologia if he were seen as competent.
 
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pigeon

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Bonen no Max'd said:
Also I broadly agree with this take (though uh, what is the post-left I've never heard that term before) but I think the two can be sort of broadly split on economic matters by their views of how to achieve prosperity, where the left advocated for redistribution and universal programs while the center advocates for working to create economic growth and means-tested programs as the means to achieve the broadest societal prosperity.
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What if you support working to create economic growth and lowering economic barriers because increasing GDP and lowering the cost of goods directly results in more wealth to redistribute?

Admittedly, I'm starting to become convinced that all economic ills really are just caused by rich people siphoning value out, but absent that issue, neoliberal globalist socialism still seems like a good strategy to me.
 
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Snowman Prophet of Doom

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Ogodei said:
It's all part of a spectrum, though. Folks would be more willing to stump for Trump's arguments if this were the first goofy thing he'd said and his approval rating was 15% higher. Folks'd be more willing to brush off "both sides" apologia if he were seen as competent.
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I agree, but at the same time, considering Trump's mental derailment is following a pretty clear psychological arc, how could you even have someone where this was the first goofy thing they said?
 
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Tall4Life

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I remember in the election last year people here were saying the alt-left were anti-science (anti-GMO, anti-vacc, etc.)/pro-Russia people on the left like Stein and all

Now it's just another word in a long list of words used to reflect criticism back at the left
 
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Bam Bam Baklava

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Tall4Life said:
I remember in the election last year people here were saying the alt-left were anti-science (anti-GMO, anti-vacc, etc.)/pro-Russia people on the left like Stein and all

Now it's just another word in a long list of words used to reflect criticism back at the left
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I don't really think this is productive but those issues are real. There are anti-vax leftists and people who still think Putin's Russia is somehow morally superior to the US.

Don't have to label it, but some of that stuff can't be ignored just because Trump found a new word. It's also far more likely that Hannity and friends, being the creatively bankrupt people they are, just heard alt-right and said "oh yeah? well you're ALT-LEFT!" Not like they needed any help coming up with it.
 
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Ogodei

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"Alt" just means "Alternative" and it's really a catchall for any opinion that is both extreme and outside one party's orthodoxy. Hardcore racism instead of the mainstream GOP's diet racism, economic nationalism, nativist isolationism, but then also weird stuff like the Dark Enlightenment and Anarcho-Capitalism. Really fringe Christian movements like the Quiverfulls, or the splinter LDS groups too, probably.

The Alt Left does exist in the same vein, weirdoes on the fringe who can't find a voice in the establishment, but on the Alt Left you get tankies, hardcore pacifists, anarchists, and people who've gone full circle on the whole "America is evil dictators so i'll support these evil dictators that America hates." A lot of overlap with the alternative medicine crowd.
 
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sc0la

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pigeon said:
Admittedly, I'm starting to become convinced that all economic ills really are just caused by rich people siphoning value out, but absent that issue, neoliberal globalist socialism still seems like a good strategy to me.
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It's no Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism, but it should do.
 
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Spoiled Milk

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I've been told by a close friend in Boston that she was warned to stay inside this weekend because word is that it's going to get really violent. This is not the America I believe in.
 
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