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[Tacitus_]

The deceased victims are both Finns, but there are an Italian and two Swedes injured. KRP will have an announcement with more info in two hours.

i know this is a selfish post/thread, focusing just on myself basically, but i needed to vent and pour my feelings out... thanks GAF. been a shocking experience, but im alright now. my panic subsided fairly fast and now im mostly just sad and angry which i guess is normal.

You should call the crisis centre http://www.turku.fi/uutinen/2017-08-18_kaupunki-tarjoaa-kriisiapua-kauppatorin-tapahtumien-johdosta Talking to a professional will help more than posting here.

 

[Juicy Bob]

16.02 alert about the attack, 16.05 perp caught and after that police took some precautions, but no suspicion of further danger

Pretty fast action.

Wow. Incredible job by the Finnish authorities.

 

[Audioboxer]

Police has given a statement that the suspect is an 18-year old man from Morocco and they're investigating this as a terrorist attack based on information uncovered last night.

They're having another press conference later today. Finnish Security Intelligence Service (SUPO) is also having one later regarding a terrorism threat.

http://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/201708192200337144_u0.shtml?ref=juurinyt_desktop

Another young male, how surprising :/ 18 is probably a bit younger than the average though.

 

[Ullus]

Police suspects he was targeting women.

 

[Tacitus_]

New info & corrections from KRP (National Bureau of Investigations in English)

Suspect was "involved in the asylum seeking process"

The man is a Moroccan, as are four other detainees. The main suspect has so far been unwilling to speak to police, who plan to try again later on Saturday.

Both of those killed were women. The injured include six women and two men. The men had tried to intervene. Police believe the attacker apparently specifically targeted women.

Some of the victims have serious injuries but none are considered life-threatening. The victims ranged in age from 15 to 67.

The four others were detained in Turku at one or more private homes and at an asylum-seekers' reception centre. An international warrant has been issued for a fifth Moroccan.

Police say the main suspect arrived in Finland last year and was "involved in the asylum seeking process" - but say they cannot provide further details.

The suspected attacker was living at a reception centre for asylum seekers in Turku.

The NBI believes that the attack was planned in advance to some degree, but declined to speculate on how organised it was, or any possible links to international groups.

A van belonging to one of the suspects has been seized, but police could not say how or whether the vehicle was directly involved in the attack.

Not mentioned in the English article:

The police commented that they had to shoot since verbal commands were not effective. The police fired a single shot. A prosecutor has been informed that the police officer fired their weapon.

I have to say, it is somewhat comforting that after all this, they are still sticking to the protocol and having a prosecutor check if the police were justified in using their firearm.

 

[Audioboxer]

Wouldn't surprise me if due to this guy being caught alive a psychologist asks why did you target women and the response is something along the lines of "dirty Western women not covering their faces". Hammer it home early into the minds of the young boys that women are 2nd class citizens below men and that they should be controlled and abused and you set up a mind to develop into a horror show of a man.

 

[Shredderi]

Wouldn't surprise me if due to this guy being caught alive a psychologist asks why did you target women and the response is something along the lines of "dirty Western women not covering their faces". Hammer it home early into the minds of the young boys that women are 2nd class citizens below men and that they should be controlled and abused and you set up a mind to develop into a horror show of a man.

Why would those kinds of people come into here in the first place? Why would they leave their veritable heaven on earth where all their oppressive laws and social systems are in place, in favour of "hellholes" where women have more rights and autonomy?

 

[ClosingADoor]

New info & corrections from KRP (National Bureau of Investigations in English)

Not mentioned in the English article:

I have to say, it is somewhat comforting that after all this, they are still sticking to the protocol and having a prosecutor check if the police were justified in using their firearm.

Why are Moroccans in the asylum process? That country is not unsafe. People from safe countries should be shown the door right away and put on the next flight back.

Also stabbing attack in Russia few hours ago. 7 wounded, attacker killed, but motive unclear still. Guessing these things get more coverage for a few days, even if they are not terrorism.

 

[Tacitus_]

Why are Moroccans in the asylum process? That country is not unsafe. People from safe countries should be shown the door right away and put on the next flight back.

I suppose everyone has to go through the bureaucracy. People from safe countries can need asylum as well, if they're persecuted for some reason (political, religious, sexual minority etc). Though I have my doubts that he had any of these reasons.

 

[artsi]

Why are Moroccans in the asylum process? That country is not unsafe. People from safe countries should be shown the door right away and put on the next flight back.

I agree but that's how it seems to work here. They say asylum and they're in. They get rejected (like he did), and they're still in for a long time because deporting is not working effectively.

 

[Audioboxer]

Why would those kinds of people come into here in the first place? Why would they leave their veritable heaven on earth where all their oppressive laws and social systems are in place, in favour of "hellholes" where women have more rights and autonomy?

Many European societies offer compassionate social healthcare systems, housing, benefits and more. This isn't a go at any of those, unlike right-leaning voters I fully support all of our nets to support people in need and in difficult life circumstances. I'm just saying why people will travel from around the world even if on paper the Governments they came from are more in-line with their misogynistic/violent thinking. Said Governments often still treat their poor like shit, so that is also a factor in wanting to move abroad.

Many of these men are low social status males and are already in poverty and without great job prospects. They want to 'flee' being poor, not having a home or whatever positions they are in individually, but to do that they have to come and live in societies which reject the majority of their thinking around women, especially. So, some of them then get "overwhelmed" around all these free women and lash out.

The far-right call some of these people who aren't refugees "economic migrants". I find it a bit distasteful to do that, and they're doing it often from a place of straight up bigotry. Many people try and travel around the world to have a better quality of life. However, countries should still be vetting people wanting to come in with the purpose of trying to somewhat engineer compatible societies where there is a baseline of respect for most people and for the laws of the land. Hacking up women with a machete doesn't fall under a cultural difference, to which citizens start asking the common questions "was this person vetted? were they on a watchlist? have they had prior troubles with the law? could what have happened been prevented?" Right now we don't have those answers

Police say the main suspect arrived in Finland last year and was "involved in the asylum seeking process" - but say they cannot provide further details.

If we start getting answers that say "they were known to authorities" that is when the public start getting restless.

 

[Yamauchi]

New info & corrections from KRP (National Bureau of Investigations in English)



Not mentioned in the English article:

I have to say, it is somewhat comforting that after all this, they are still sticking to the protocol and having a prosecutor check if the police were justified in using their firearm.

He was walking the streets? Aren't asylum seekers who have not yet been granted asylum normally kept in asylum centers?

 

[astroturfing]

I have to say, it is somewhat comforting that after all this, they are still sticking to the protocol and having a prosecutor check if the police were justified in using their firearm.

yeah thats how we roll. for the time being at least, im sure a certain segment of the population would just love to throw law and order out the window and go full vigilante, burning refugee asylum centers to the ground etc..

 

[Tacitus_]

He was walking the streets? Aren't asylum seekers who have not yet been granted asylum normally kept in asylum centers?

What? No. They are provided lodging and food, they aren't locked in there.

 

[artsi]

He was walking the streets? Aren't asylum seekers who have not yet been granted asylum normally kept in asylum centers?

They're not locked in, so theoretically they can just bolt from the center and then stay under the radar. Police rarely interact with you here unless you've done something wrong, so it's not really difficult.

 

[Nabbis]

He was walking the streets? Aren't asylum seekers who have not yet been granted asylum normally kept in asylum centers?

It's not like people are locked up in there.

The reality of this process is that there is nearly zero authoritative control over asylum seekers.

This whole thing is a mess. Just do what Canada does and cherry pick the people you want before granting them access to the country. It's not like this nation owes anyone anything in regards to the current geopolitical landscape.

 

[Yamauchi]

What? No. They are provided lodging and food, they aren't locked in there.

Okay, different from where I'm from. Though I don't think someone from a safe, moderate country like Morocco would ever be considered for asylum and would immediately be deported.

 

[Tovarisc]

It's not like people are locked up in there.

The reality of this process is that there is nearly zero authoritative control over asylum seekers.

This whole thing is a mess. Just do what Canada does and cherry pick the people you want before granting them access to the country. It's not like this nation owes anyone anything in regards to the current geopolitical landscape.

I think EU would rake us over the coals for doing something like that. There is already heat about "not taking in enough".

 

[ClosingADoor]

I agree but that's how it seems to work here. They say asylum and they're in. They get rejected (like he did), and they're still in for a long time because deporting is not working effectively.

It is confirmed he was rejected? Really, once they are rejected a stay, what is the reason to have them walk free. That is just asking for trouble. They will either continue on to another country or stay illegal.

He was walking the streets? Aren't asylum seekers who have not yet been granted asylum normally kept in asylum centers?

Basically, when you apply for asylum in most European countries you get a place to stay, but you can just go around wherever you want. If they make trouble, there might be some requirements like being back at the center at a certain hour.

Over here, they are opening a center for asylum seekers that are known trouble makers next month. People who have behaved aggressive in other centers, have destroyed things, discriminated and intimidated others, etc. So they group them together, but they can still just walk freely outside during the day. That will certainly not cause trouble...

I get we shouldn't lock everyone up all the time. But it seems a lot of European countries are way too tolerant with this.

I think EU would rake us over the coals for doing something like that. There is already heat about "not taking in enough".

It is turning a bit. Macron is advocating for asylum centers in Libya so we can process people there and then transfer them to Europe once approved. Would basically be what the US and Canada do (of course they have the advantage of having a large ocean between them and the regions people are fleeing from).

 

[artsi]

It is confirmed he was rejected? Really, once they are rejected a stay, what is the reason to have them walk free. That is just asking for trouble. They will either continue on to another country or stay illegal.

Yes, police has confirmed it.

And you're right, people have been sharing the same concern for a long time now. I hope the policy will change now.

 

[Nikodemos]

Problem is, governments in many countries they come from are run by asstards. They routinely refuse to take them back. So they end up stuck in between.

Also, many countries refuse to set up asylum centers. Or they only accept if we bribe them provide financial support. That's basically blackmail. That's the problem with being rich but not powerful. For all its ills, the US would stick its fist down the throats of whomever would try to grift them like this.

 

[Audioboxer]

Problem is, governments in many countries they come from are run by asstards. They routinely refuse to take them back. So they end up stuck in between.

Also, many countries refuse to set up asylum centers. Or they only accept if we bribe them provide financial support. That's basically blackmail. That's the problem with being rich but not powerful. For all its ills, the US would stick its fist down the throats of whomever would try to grift them like this.

The US and Canada as someone else pointed out are surrounded by water and are long journeys. Europe is a lot easier to travel throughout. No, this is not a reason for us in the UK to vote for Brexit out of fear and nuke our own economy and future trade/prospects. However, the EU as a collective does have a responsibility to be smart and level headed about borders and immigration/vetting. Governments have a responsibility to take care of their own citizens whilst doing whatever they can in aid of people fleeing/travelling. It's not a binary situation of help or don't help, but to help within reason and still, take care of your current citizens. Far more trade restrictions and pressures need to be put on the Middle Eastern countries many come from that do jack shit to help (and the neighbouring countries). As I said in another topic though, oil is literally a blood/bribe currency. The UK for whatever we do to help refugees and migrants, we then just turn around and sell arms to the fucking Saudis. The home of Wahhabism. Good stuff.

 

[III-V]

Sorry you have to deal with this. Its a terrible event to have to be involved with. Hopefully you will come out stronger because of it.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Problem is, governments in many countries they come from are run by asstards. They routinely refuse to take them back. So they end up stuck in between.

Also, many countries refuse to set up asylum centers. Or they only accept if we bribe them provide financial support. That's basically blackmail. That's the problem with being rich but not powerful. For all its ills, the US would stick its fist down the throats of whomever would try to grift them like this.

Which is the strange thing with the EU. The bloc is there so we have a lot of power together and could easily say to those countries: you take responsibility for your citizens and take them back, or we stop a ton of trade and movement from your country into the EU.

 

[Chittagong]

Now that we know the nationality and status of the attacker, the questions we need answers for are that why has a moroccan person seeking asylum been allowed into the country, why has he been allowed to roam freely since 2016, and why has he not been deported?

The most likely explanation, in my mind, is that the main parties that push for immigration, including PM Sipila, are sponsored by owners of real estate and support services for the manufactured immigration industry, who make profit the more and the longer these fake refugees stay in Finland.

The investigation should look at whether yesterday's lives lost are a cost of such corruption, political corruption that exploits the naive, but well meaning "we have a dream" crowd.

Another victim of such corruption are the most vulnerable people in crisis areas, each of these fake refugee killers take place of someone actually in need refuge.

 

[Onlinehero]

Now that we know the nationality and status of the attacker, the questions we need answers for are that why has a moroccan person seeking asylum been allowed into the country, why has he been allowed to roam freely since 2016, and why has he not been deported?

The most likely explanation, in my mind, is that the main parties that push for immigration, including PM Sipila, are sponsored by owners of real estate and support services for the manufactured immigration industry, who make profit the more and the longer these fake refugees stay in Finland.

The investigation should look at whether yesterday's lives lost are a cost of such corruption, political corruption that exploits the naive, but well meaning "we have a dream" crowd.

Another victim of such corruption are the most vulnerable people in crisis areas, each of these fake refugee killers take place of someone actually in need refuge.

Don't be a dumbass. Your questions regarding the asylum process are answered above.

 

[Chittagong]

Don't be a dumbass. Your questions regarding the asylum process is answered above.

I don't thank that that (paraphrasing) "if a Moroccan says the word 'asylum', we must investigate the case properly, which takes time, during which he can roam free, and even after his claim gets rejected, it takes a while to deport him, that's how the process works" is a very good answer.

The process works like that for a reason. Whether that reason is that it's the best, most ethical way to do it, or that there is a commercial interest involved, is anybody's guess. Finns trust their authorities, and hence don't question the process.

 

[Parsnip]

Stay strong my fellow finns.

 

[Onlinehero]

I don't thank that that (paraphrasing) "if a Moroccan says the word 'asylum', we must investigate the case properly, which takes time, during which he can roam free, and even after his claim gets rejected, it takes a while to deport him, that's how the process works" is a very good answer.

The process works like that for a reason. Whether that reason is that it's the best possible way to do it, or that there is a commercial interest involved, is anybody's guess. Finns trust their authorities, and hence don't question the process.

It's the reason because it's EU law and modeled after UN guidelines. People can be put in detention if it's "likely" that the person will get deported, but the process needs to take place regardless. Detention centres are designed by law to be used as little as possible, and you can't keep someone without a history of them being unreliable as you'd be one appeal away from releasing said person.

Though by your nutty conspiracy theory someone is profiting from detention centres as well, it must be global! Who could be behind it!?

Unless you start accepting rational answers I don't think you're going to be satisfied.

 

[Chittagong]

Though by your nutty conspiracy theory someone is profiting from detention centres as well, it must be global! Who could be behind it!?

People really would be well adviced to get knowledgeable about how these things operate in their own country. I live in UK, and looking from the outside it's very clear how Finland works.

For example, Luona (formerly known as Barona) opened a centre for asylum seekers in 2015. Barona is a highly profitable company, and its board is chaired by current and former Kokoomus and SD politicians.

And Finland is not alone with this dynamic, and the business is global, reaching from Spain to Australia.

As you can see from the links above, quoted from liberal newspapers like Amnesty International, HS and Guardian no less (instead of some right wing rags), the profiting aspect of the asylum business is not a 'nutty conspiracy theory'.

That is why people should look at the way the asylum process is operated critically.

 

[Condom]

Problem is, governments in many countries they come from are run by asstards. They routinely refuse to take them back. So they end up stuck in between.

Also, many countries refuse to set up asylum centers. Or they only accept if we bribe them provide financial support. That's basically blackmail. That's the problem with being rich but not powerful. For all its ills, the US would stick its fist down the throats of whomever would try to grift them like this.

Or they are poor and need the money? Those countries can't even provide good infrastructure most of the time while the EU is a top dog when it comes to financials.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

Man how do we stop this crap.......

It's just way too easy for mad/idiotic/radicalized people to just go around doing this crap.

IS there a way to stop This?

 

[Tacitus_]

As you can see from the links above, quoted from liberal newspapers like Amnesty International, HS and Guardian no less (instead of some right wing rags), the profiting aspect of the asylum business is not a 'nutty conspiracy theory'.

I think you're messing up the cause and the effect. I think the profiteering came after the decision since Kepu is going to Kepu.

 

[zoukka]

Man how do we stop this crap.......

It's just way too easy for mad/idiotic/radicalized people to just go around doing this crap.

IS there a way to stop This?

Put more money in the asylum seeking process. Help peace efforts in conflict riddeb countries.

That's about all anyone can do.

 

[Onlinehero]

People really would be well adviced to get knowledgeable about how these things operate in their own country. I live in UK, and looking from the outside it's very clear how Finland works.

For example, Luona (formerly known as Barona) opened a centre for asylum seekers in 2015. Barona is a highly profitable company, and its board is chaired by current and former Kokoomus and SD politicians.

And Finland is not alone with this dynamic.

As you can see from the links above, quoted from liberal newspapers like HS and Guardian no less (instead of some right wing rags), the profiting aspect of the asylum business is not a 'nutty conspiracy theory'.

That is why people should look at the way the asylum process is operated critically.

What you don't seem to understand though, from all the way over there in the UK, even though you're governed by EU law same as us, the migration that took place in 2015 wasn't really foreseen by our governments. When it actually happened, a lot of people needed to get taken care of and there wasn't much time to be cost effective. In Sweden, the Migration Agency is responsible for housing, though under extreme conditions they can hire external providers. These external providers started popping up everywhere from 2015 onwards, and have only just begun downsizing (I think most of them are gone now actually, even the Migration Agency is downsizing housing units). A ton of private actors profited from this, but the situation appeared because of variables beyond their control.

The swedish person mentioned in your source, Bert Karlsson, converted his owned properties to housing for asylum seekers. Guess what he did in the '90s? He was the head of a far right party that collapsed within a few years, a proto version of our current "Sweden (*be white *be male *be straight) first"-party, and very much against immigration though for privatization.

What you are claiming is that people are roaming the streets because people are profiting from it. You don't understand at all how the asylum process works or how or why it is designed the way it is. There is no way that the recent influx of profiteering from asylum housing stems from our laws regarding migration because the people profiting now were barely born when the laws were formed. And even then private investors were allowed in because it was a housing crisis, the state is first and foremost responsible for managing housing unless there is a crisis.

So again, don’t be a dumbass.

 

[Nabbis]

People really would be well adviced to get knowledgeable about how these things operate in their own country. I live in UK, and looking from the outside it's very clear how Finland works.

For example, Luona (formerly known as Barona) opened a centre for asylum seekers in 2015. Barona is a highly profitable company, and its board is chaired by current and former Kokoomus and SD politicians.

And Finland is not alone with this dynamic.

As you can see from the links above, quoted from liberal newspapers like HS and Guardian no less (instead of some right wing rags), the profiting aspect of the asylum business is not a 'nutty conspiracy theory'.

That is why people should look at the way the asylum process is operated critically.

This is essentially old news that surfaced ever since the first asylum centers opened to meet the high asylum seeker "demands" a couple of years ago. But i don't know the extent of how those business ventures are reflected in public policy and most of the dirt will be digged up by people who drink too much of the racist koolaid. Not exactly a good source of information.

You need to understand that this country is very polarized and normal discourse is impossible. Many people are very trustful of the government to the point of naivety while on the other hand you have people filled with "fatherland first, deport everyone, fuck the government etc" mindset.

 

[Chittagong]

What you are claiming is that people are roaming the streets because people are profiting from it. You don't understand at all how the asylum process works or how or why it is designed the way it is. There is no way that the recent influx of profiteering from asylum housing stems from our laws regarding migration because the people profiting now were barely born when the laws were formed. And even then private investors were allowed in because it was a housing crisis, the state is first and foremost responsible for managing housing unless there is a crisis.

So again, don’t be a dumbass.

I don't want to derail the thread any more from the tragic events than I already have, so I'll leave this to saying that I expect politicians to be active in interpreting the execution of laws and treaties to the best interest of their own citizens, and the wider world. I believe that in the light of the nationality and status of the attacker, it's now a meaningful discussion to raise in Finland, even if the conclusion might eventually be that the current system works optimally, and these attacks are just an unavoidable, regrettable byproduct of a wider good cause, one that people will need to learn to live with.

 

[Burbeting]

Finnish news says that the killer was especially targeting women. Sickening.

 

[Bustanen]

Finnish news says that the killer was especially targeting women. Sickening.

Yes, the two men who were injured came to help. Shame that the cops didn't kill the scumbag, he'll be out from prison in 15-20 years and gets to stay here for good. Apparently he can't be extradited because he could face capital punishment in Morocco.

 

[jakonovski]

I don't want to derail the thread any more from the tragic events than I already have, so I'll leave this to saying that I expect politicians to be active in interpreting the execution of laws and treaties to the best interest of their own citizens, and the wider world. I believe that in the light of the nationality and status of the attacker, it's now a meaningful discussion to raise in Finland, even if the conclusion might eventually be that the current system works optimally, and these attacks are just an unavoidable, regrettable byproduct of a wider good cause, one that people will need to learn to live with.

The bolded. That's the flipside of having principles.

 

[ClosingADoor]

The bolded. That's the flipside of having principles.

There is not against EU principles to do tougher checks, limit immigration and quickly remove people who are no real refugees or are not following the laws.

 

[Nabbis]

There is not against EU principles to do tougher checks, limit immigration and quickly remove people who are no real refugees or are not following the laws.

I don't understand why you find this relevant. The EU, like every other political organization, works on realpolitik principles. Look at that Canary island thread, the EU literally didn't give a shit for years. Those principles, if you can argue that they do in fact exist, are only enforced in a casual manner unless either one big player or a group of medium countries throw a fit on the weaker side. I mean, the laws and guidelines could be argued to be right or wrong but it's all hollow pretext at the end of the day unless the local government is pressured.

The current realistic option for Finland is to simply decrease the intake. How well do you suppose the EU would react to that? We already spend a shitload of money on the various services that Asylum seekers require, you can't expect the country to magically increase the budget considering it's already in economic stagnation.

 

[Tacitus_]

I don't understand why you find this relevant. The EU, like every other political organization, works on realpolitik principles. Look at that Canary island thread, the EU literally didn't give a shit for years. Those principles, if you can argue that they do in fact exist, are only enforced in a casual manner unless either one big player or a group of medium countries throw a fit on the weaker side. I mean, the laws and guidelines could be argued to be right or wrong but it's all hollow pretext at the end of the day unless the local government is pressured.

The current realistic option for Finland is to simply decrease the intake. How well do you suppose the EU would react to that?

The general opinion might be changing. I mean even Merkel said things like this:

Angela Merkel has refused to link refugee-sharing to the EU budget as she embarked on her campaign to secure a fourth term as Germany’s leader.
She also said that the 2015 situation, when 890,000 refugees came to Germany in one year, should not be repeated.

She's still for the quotas but I think the wheels are turning.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Yes, the two men who were injured came to help. Shame that the cops didn't kill the scumbag, he'll be out from prison in 15-20 years and gets to stay here for good. Apparently he can't be extradited because he could face capital punishment in Morocco.

I'd prefer he isn't dead - we need to figure out what the hell he's been listening to or watching or communicating with before he went insane. The more we know the better.

And he should be reminded of his actions so he can't just run away via death.

 

[Airola]

It is confirmed he was rejected? Really, once they are rejected a stay, what is the reason to have them walk free. That is just asking for trouble.

There are actually people here who are protesting against all deportations. And they will call the deportations racist actions and call those who are for those deportations racists.

Some people have been laughing at those who have been afraid something like this might happen in Finland one day. A couple of years ago there even was some expert claiming that terrorists coming in among the asylum seekers is a myth and he referred it to it as just a some "Red Riding Hood" type of a story. (EDIT: The same person is now saying "no-one can say this attack was a surprise", wow, go figure.)

And now some are quick to say things like "Finnish people have done awful things too" as if that resolves the problem we have.

This seems to be an issue where politics are more important than actually trying to do something about the situation. Disgusting.

 

[Sarek]

Yes, the two men who were injured came to help. Shame that the cops didn't kill the scumbag, he'll be out from prison in 15-20 years and gets to stay here for good. Apparently he can't be extradited because he could face capital punishment in Morocco.

This is so fucked up. He goes around murdering innocent people and what he gets is effectively an asylum.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Didn't see a thread about it but Jesus...

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...n-goes-on-stabbing-rampage-in-russia-wounds-7

Apparently ISIS claims it, Russia is skeptical about it. Whatever the case its fucking horrible. Jesus what is going on. Just the thought of some piece of shit human being stabbing others..... lord.

 

[AoM]

There are actually people here who are protesting against all deportations. And they will call the deportations racist actions and call those who are for those deportations racists.

Some people have been laughing at those who have been afraid something like this might happen in Finland one day. A couple of years ago there even was some expert claiming that terrorists coming in among the asylum seekers is a myth and he referred it to it as just a some "Red Riding Hood" type of a story. (EDIT: The same person is now saying "no-one can say this attack was a surprise", wow, go figure.)

And now some are quick to say things like "Finnish people have done awful things too" as if that resolves the problem we have.

This seems to be an issue where politics are more important than actually trying to do something about the situation. Disgusting.

I'm guessing they want open borders?

 

[Condom]

Yes, the two men who were injured came to help. Shame that the cops didn't kill the scumbag, he'll be out from prison in 15-20 years and gets to stay here for good. Apparently he can't be extradited because he could face capital punishment in Morocco.

You can sign a deal for that and extradite him.

 

[CampbellzSoup]

I can't believe one of our own members were almost hurt please please be safe