That's what I've been anticipating, but that post specifically mentioned her father doing it.
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That's what I've been anticipating, but that post specifically mentioned her father doing it.
The Artisan
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http://ew.com/article/2016/05/24/george-rr-martin-3-twists-game-thrones/
sounds like Stannis a scum fuck in the books, too.
Gotta love how D&D loathe spoilers but are fine telling us what Martin told them.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Know how you're meant to tag spoilers from future books?
You don't see the difference between something appearing in the show without context versus D&D telling us a scene will be in the books? I don't care about spoilers, I just find it hypocritical of them.
Ocarina_117
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Being from the very end doesn't mean the very end. May be something to do with a single character as opposed to the ending on the whole.
I'm sure they'll tell us when it happens!
Ocarina_117
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I was referring to the show ending.
I doubt tbe iron throne will exist by the end of the books.
Human Trashcan
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No it's not. Depiction is not endorsement. The world of Westeros is misogynist, the books are not. GRRM made the inherent misogyny of medieval history and fantasy literature readily apparent, rather than pretending it didn't exist. He shines a light on the fact that there is no meaningful consent possible in things like arranged marriages by writing about how Cersei was basically raped by Robert, and how Lords would have the right to sleep with a vassal's bride on their wedding night regardless of whether they want to or not. These are all features, not bugs. You're meant to go "that's hella misogynist." Maybe that's what you meant, but I think the distinction between depiction and endorsement is very important and very often overlooked in criticism of both the books AND the show's depiction of (sexual) violence towards women.
The Artisan
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They only told the first 2 because the first 2 happened already, they're still keeping the last one a mystery...till it happens.
I think it's up for interpretation. Whatever it is at the "very end", the events of the end would have to be in line for that event to still take place in similar conception.
Shocking moment.
From the very end.
Plus Jon Snow is the prince that was promised/Azor Ahai bullshit.
Dany gonna get stabbed through the heart confirmed
The Artisan
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Ocarina_117
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Yeah it is up to interpretation. But the circumstances for shireen will definitely be vastly different. Hodor may also be different but equally as heart breaking. We already know a lot of what's going on now won't happen in the books.
The Artisan
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sometimes I don't get all the hype for the azor ahai bullshit because I thought GRRM does not care much for prophecies?
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
It's hard to view Stannis as scummy, because in his view he is trying to save the seven kingdoms from the White Walkers. What's the life of one girl versus the lives of everyone else? It's why Stannis is a good (in the sense of well-written and interesting) character.
The Artisan
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of course the circumstances will be different but the outcomes will still be the same. it just feels weird to me how the show starts off so close to the book if it ends so differently than how the story intended to.
They sure are all over his books for all he doesn't care about them.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
That's because they didn't want to do the plots of books 5 (and eventually 6). So they made a bunch of characters be in the same general location instead of spread out.
The Artisan
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as I understand it in the books Stannis prays for Robb Stark's death just like he does in the show; just knowing that makes me believe he is scum through and through.
On the show though they made it look like he didn't have much of a choice. Jon kicks him out of castle black and they have no choice but to (try) lay siege on Winterfell.
we're talking about the final shock, so this would be book 7/season 8.
also, WaffleTaco, reading your name out is makin me hungry. I better go get some breakfast
Ocarina_117
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I mean the story is already a lot different. Character arcs are having different conclusions and show counterparts are unrecognizable compared to book versions (Euron). It's most likely going to be the case. It seems to be a decision made in the lead up to season 6 as before this it was talked about as two routes to the same destination.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Replace the Sand Snakes with Arianne's Queenmaker plot and it would've been better.
Plus having Darkstar in will make Dawn more relevant.
The Sand Snakes suck in both mediums.
Well said, the difference is important
The Artisan
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yeah I have to admit it is pretty much its own storyline, but I hate it. The show started off the same as the books...if it was always going to be different at the end you might as well have made the starting point different too.
Ocarina_117
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There's nothing to hate, it's still a good t.v. show.
If we ever get the final books, you'll have those to enjoy too. Many surprises will remain unspoilt, so it will be a blast to read through.
The Artisan
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...there is plenty to hate, my man.
key words: "if we ever get"
if someone plans on reading the books and watching the show the first half of the story is spoiled for them. if the show never intended to finish how the books will then the show should have started in its own way too.
D&D had no clue the books wouldn't be done when they took over. Seemed like they realized they had to finish things their way with S5.
Ocarina_117
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Then you're asking for a completely different TV series with little/nothing to do with the books?
The books have a good level of additional depth and insight into characters which make them a joy to read despite the show. I read the books after watching the first few seasons and still loved the first three despite knowing a lot of what happens.
The Artisan
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well if I were them I'd stick to GRRM's outlines as much as fucking possible.
Oldest Snake
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That's true of the books but not the show, though I'm sure that's still their intention.
The rules of the world of Game of Thrones are so flimsy and poorly defined, changing from character to character, episode to episode and season to season that it's hard to believe they mean anything which makes it harder to believe the writers are beholden to some unseen, in-universe logic and easy to believe they rewrite that logic based on whatever they want the plot to do.
To me, anything Game of Thrones tries to say about topics like violence, sexual abuse (inc. rape) or torture seem superficial at best because it doesn't come from a place that seems genuine.
The Artisan
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this is pretty much a way to describe seasons 6/7/8 to books 6/7, is it not?
as you should, and the adaptation tries to maintain that depth and early on they were successful. the show wouldn't have happened if there was no source material to begin with and since there is very little source material now i would go off of them as much as I can.
SurrenderDorothy
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What? You can't blame D&D for running the story on bulletpoints instead of new source material.
The foundation they have built in the show still counts, the beginning of the series isn't nullified because of how different the characters are now, bad or good.
I'm also annoyed with a lot of what they're doing and how they've handled characters but come on now.
They probably should've waited till the series ended but let's be real, the books won't finish.
TWOW will come out(lol) and another book will be announced on-top of ADOS.
I sincerely believe the show is the only conclusion we'll get.
The Artisan
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fun fact: mahershala ali was supposed to be that guy
I can, and I already do, and I will continue to do so.
The show has been so great because of the foundation, and the foundations were the books. So in order for the show to end at its greatest, it's best they stick to what GRRM had planned because their own ideas won't be NEARLY as good.
The Harry Potter movies started before the books were finished and the Walking Dead show started before the comics finished their run. Thrones should be no different - other than of course the adaptation passing the source but if I had access to the source of the source who is GRRM, I'd keep him on the project closely.
The Artisan
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so he's like Akira Toriyama, then. well, I'm sure whatever he outlines, he still has the endgame planned out. Just like he's planned out all along that Lyanna is Jon's mother.
Maybe you should find something more constructive to do with your life if you're going to post every other reply on the page whining about something that honestly, I don't even know why you care about considering you only started reading the books because of the show. You haven't even read them all! Who cares! Do you have this weird argument in your head 24/7 about this stuff? Get a grip.
SurrenderDorothy
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First off, you're comparing them to a film series and an adaptation that was promised to be sort of different from the start.
Thrones is a different beast and an outlier in TV, they had the outlines. Apparently they're sticking to the outlines since GRRM(who apparently has no idea how to close his own series) have given them nothing else.
That's my point with regards to bulletpoints, that's all they have.
The outline would be "Jon comes back and takes Winterfell, is declared KOTN"
or "Dany defeats the Harpies and heads for Westeros." Now the blanks are filled in.
Add that to S7 and that's what this looks like.
SpinningBirdKick
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With how bleak the show is I wouldn't be surprised if the white walkers march around the great wall and the Night King ends up sitting on the iron throne at the end of season 8.
The Artisan
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I'm going to finish the books eventually. I don't plan on being a show-only fan forever.
I used to say that the Walking Dead tv show's storyline is its own, independent from the comics but fans of the comics who watch the show have said it is the same storyline with a few changes. Harry Potter follows the original story very closely I would say it is the same storyline and th eonly changes that were supposed to mean were for a. time constraints of a film and b. certain things working better on screen than the way they did on paper.
If GRRM is intentionally withholding all event information from the showrunners and only giving them a checklist of what's to come, then I guess it's okay. It isn't their fault if the main man is not giving them more information to work with and they have to make do with what they have.
Serious question: WHY DO YOU CARE? You haven't read the books, you only know what is different from stuff you read about on the internet, why does it affect you? Why are you so bothered that anything is different? This is really inane. The show is flawed, but judge it for what it is and not what it isn't. There's a reason why the opening credits of Game of Thrones says "Created by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss"... 
SurrenderDorothy
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He definitely gave them significant information for the endgame, where characters will be, who will die etc. But how to get there is something he's figuring out himself.
How many books have you finished?
The Artisan
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because man I just don't like it when adaptations diverge from the source material. unless it is cases where the divergence handles things better than the source did. Thrones does that sometimes. Why do I have to not care about it just because I haven't read them yet?Serious question: WHY DO YOU CARE? You haven't read the books, you only know what is different from stuff you read about on the internet, why does it affect you? Why are you so bothered that anything is different? This is really inane. The show is flawed, but judge it for what it is and not what it isn't. There's a reason why the opening credits of Game of Thrones says "Created by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss"...
If that's the case then I'll put a pause on the constant bashing I've been giving the showrunners, then.
I'm still on one of the early chapters of A game of thrones but I promise I'm going to finish them all before season 8.
Human Trashcan
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The show has a lot spottier track record than the books for sure. There are scenes that clearly got away from them, like Jaime raping Cersei in the sept, which apparently wasn't meant to be rape but totally was (Unlike in the books). But I don't think that's true of all such cases. I think Ramsay raping Sansa for example was depicted and written thoughtfully. You can talk about the plotting being weird (why would LF put her in that position? But LF is badly written on the show, always has been) but the scene itself I think was good.
In general though I think there's a tendency to interpret the show's approach to sexual violence with minimum good faith and assume the worst, most cynical intentions on the part of the creators. Part of that is surely the show's own fault, but there are also plenty of people who love to rip it apart for depicting sexual violence at all.
This article, written by a female rape survivor, gave me a perspective on the show that I hadn't really considered before. Recommended reading http://nonameinanytongue.tumblr.com...-innkeepers-daughter-rape-and-sexual-violence
Again, that doesn't exempt the show from all criticism: it has undoubtedly fucked up in this area multiple times, and it also wants to have its cake and eat it with regards to sexualization (especially in earlier seasons). But to write off the entire venture as thoughtless is too dismissive imo
Okay congrats you just contradicted yourself in the same linear line of thought.
I DON'T LIKE THIS THING, UNLESS THIS THING IS GOOD AS OPPOSED TO BAD.