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[LegendofDragoonLives]

No, because what is the reason for them to die? Jon and Dany are supposed to be the ones that are going to "break the cycle" of shitty rulers and wars and are supposed to bring hope to Westeros. Killing them off, is basically saying "This is game of thrones, so they will die just becasue this is what happens in this show. We need to shock people". Most of those characters I've listed all have reasons to be killed off on this show.

Anyone can be killed off, and Jon and Dany aren't the only possible good rulers. Jon is a terrible ruler in the first place, great fighter and general but dumb tactician and has literally fucked up so bad that his own men including a little kid stabbed him to death. Robb could have been what Jon is now as well. There's nothing in here that says he has to be alive to rule over everyone because Hydrus likes that character. I've always liked GRRIM's pov when he talked I believe about Aragorn in LOTR. He becomes a ruler at the end of the story, everything is awesome and magical just because he is a great fighter. He talked and said that just because he is a great warrior =/= great ruler. It doesn't mean he would have done an amazing job as ruler as the story implies before ending.

They can break the cycle and someone else can take over, I think Sansa is probably set to be a better ruler than Danny as well, same with Tyrion (except for this season who seems like a dufus because reasons). The story has always had a realistic pov of not killing characters because of shock, but because the world like the real one is cruel and unforgiving. Generally when someone of importance dies, there is great emphasis on how it effects the myriad of other characters in the show and how the story progresses. There's plenty of characters that could have easily been alive so far into the series, you haven't given much of a reason they need to stay alive.

If GRRIM wants to keep all the main good guys alive during the most dangerous part of the story when characters have been offed in far less dangerous situations, I would be disappointed at the huge change of storytelling. I don't mind when writers change things around a lot, but in this case it seems to go against one of the things he set out to do in this fantasy epic.

Also Wu is a BEAST. Dear god, that is some incredible skill. That first painting is fucking amazing. :')

 

[andythinkpad]

Why do all the Stark kids need to live though? And what if the wheel can't be broken? What if Dany turns out to be a hypocrite when she reaches the top as she's been hinted to be? There are a lot of interesting paths the show can take without ending with a boring Jon and Dany as king and queen finale. A good death isn't just shocking, it holds meaning. It speaks volumes about the person who died and the world they lived in.

The cycle of war and violence can never be broken. Dany's whole claim is based on the very system she thinks she can break. It's just more narcissistic preening from a wannabe revolutionary who thinks she's entitled to power because she is surrounded by insufferable sycophants who literally worship her. A character like that getting everything she wants isn't good writing, it's an unfinished arc.

Jon Snow is your standard child of prophecy. He'll definitely triumph over the Night King, but will he make it in the world that comes afterwards? The struggle is always interesting. Maybe Jon doesn't die, but maybe he doesn't get to be king either. There are 100 more interesting avenues than Jon and Dany saving the world and getting married.

I really don't like the idea of Jon live happily ever after with a dragon queen. He cheated death. There is a reason why he is still alive. His sole purpose to stay alive is to defeat the Nights King/Long winter.

Plus, good guys like Jon wouldn't live for too long in the ASOIAF world. That's why people like Littlefinger/Sansa should win the game of thrones. I don't mind Dany winning either but its too high fantasy. And she's been a mary sue since s2.

 

[Einchy]

If Game of Thrones were made in India

India's insane editing is a stuff of beauty.

 

[valkyre]

I don't like the episode, but the reasons are this:

- The NK/Walkers realised that the ice was thin and halted the wights from rushing them. They were standing watching and waiting for the ice to freeze up enough that they could start to approach - when the Hound threw the second rock and it landed on the ice, this indicated to the NK that it was safe to move forward. This is all kind of stupid but that's the logic.
OR
- The NK was probably keeping them alive to lure Dany and her dragons, which he probably had a psychic vision of coming, down so that he could get a good shot at one of them and convert it. If they were all dead, Dany might just have flown on. Waiting was the point.

Could be a combo of both.

Also people saying why didn't the NK go for Drogon when he was right in front of him. I think the idea is that Drogon wasn't currently flying around spitting fire and killing hundreds/thousands of his army, but Viserion was lining up for another pass, so he went for him first and then went for Drogon second when they were about to fly away. This is assuming the NK wants to kill Jon/Dany and all of the dragons. We don't know if he has another intention that needs specific people alive.

We have seen them use spears, to kill the dragons. Ok you'll say they have those left for the dragons, and I can buy that. But at the same time we have seen walkers use ranged weapons like bows and now not a single one of them happened to have an arrow... I mean... its all so convenient that it makes it silly.

Also the episode did a really bad job at making you FEEL how powerful the NK and his White Walkers are. Kill one WW destroy like 25% of the army of the dead...better yet, kill NK and game over.

I mean I dont know, it didnt feel like this shit is that much of a threat...

 

[nelsonroyale]

I really don't like the idea of Jon live happily ever after with a dragon queen. He cheated death. There is a reason why he is still alive. His sole purpose to stay alive is to defeat the Nights King/Long winter.

Plus, good guys like Jon wouldn't live for too long in the ASOIAF world. That's why people like Littlefinger/Sansa should win the game of thrones. I don't mind Dany winning either but its too high fantasy. And she's been a mary sue since s2.

Littlefingers is the most obvious pantomime sneek..he absolutely shouldn't stay till the end. His voice alone should arouse suspicion in anyone who has witnessed a word leaving his lips...

Also Jon is nearly invincible...Yeah he has been killed once, but he has been brought back and cheated death a thousand times before and since. He seems to have he power of perseverence, despite his crap strategic ability.

Jon may survive. He has put himself into so many self sacrificing situations that it wouldn't be a surprise or even a big deal if he died, as long as he accomplished something - given that he has already died...

 

[shinra-bansho]

I hope the ending of the show is Sam returning to the Citadel to become a real master, and in his old age he writes a chronicle of the series events. The final shot of the series is GRRM in a cameo as old Sam, closing the finished book and the title is A Song of Ice and Fire.

I think rather than this it's still a GRRM cameo as an old Sam in the Citadel, who wakes up in his bed and says "Oh it was all a dream."

 

[UrbanRats]

I think rather than this it's still a GRRM cameo as an old Sam in the Citadel, who wakes up in his bed and says "Oh it was all a dream."

"But now i have a finale for my book!"

 

[RedAssedApe]

I hope the ending of the show is Sam returning to the Citadel to become a real master, and in his old age he writes a chronicle of the series events. The final shot of the series is GRRM in a cameo as old Sam, closing the finished book and the title is A Song of Ice and Fire.

what is this? final fantasy tactics?

 

[Window]

If Game of Thrones were made in India

India's insane editing is a stuff of beauty.

Pales in comparison to the original (god the musical cues kill me every time).

This terrible editing style is (thankfully) only a staple of Indian soap operas (not movies).

 

[pringles]

The thing about what makes this whole "fetch a wight" quest silly is Cersei has a freakin zombie warrior already. Why wouldn't Cersei think that Dany had her own necromancer to revive this wight they are providing as proof? Again, the most logical thing would be to convince Cersei to send some damn scouts and report back the white walkers.

The Mountain isn't a zombie, nor do I think anyone but Qyburn really knows the deal with him. Scouts wouldn't convince Cersei. It'd be like expecting Trump to believe the word of environmental scientists and top advisors on global warming, when you know damn well he's not going to believe in it until Trump Tower is getting flooded by sea level rise.

It's not clear. It's never mentioned. Not even once. Just look at the amount of people here who missed it. We have to guess this shit, yet get 15 min of Arya and Sansa bullshit.

all they had to do is when Jon and Jorah were talking about the sword is have Jorah say something like: "you keep the sword, I am not worthy of holding it. Besides, I have these dragonglass daggers, lets hope they work like we were told"

i'm not sure i understand what the argument is for not mentioning being equipped with dragonglass, the previous episode showed scenes of minecraft in the obsidian cave and it showed Jorah loading the boat with what presumably was dragonglass weapons to bring along for the mission

They've hammered home the use of dragonglass for 7 seasons now. Can't believe this is an issue. Of fucking course they brought dragonglass. Maybe they needed a scene where they go through their packing list for the expedition.
"Tormund! Did you pack the dragonglass axe??"
"Sure did Jon! Did you bring your Valyrian sword? Remember, valyrian swords can kill white walkers you cunt!"
"Thanks for reminding me, I almost forgot. Tell me again what dragonglass is good for?"

The problem is not the airspeed of the raven. It's the whole dues ex machina nature of the situation. The moment Gendry escapes and runs to the wall (another ugh) you know Dragons are coming as they've contrived a situation to stop the army of the dead for a while. You can see the general end game before it happens. That is not compelling storytelling.

It may have been entertaining on a smash and burn things level but it was not the smart storytelling the series has become known for. They almost seem to know it and twist it by reanimating the dragon, but you knew that was going to happen the moment it died on the field. Then they do another dues ex with Benjen. Oh and then they just need to kill one guy to end the entire army? Now we can see the general outline of the final endgame too. Bet it'll be dramatic!

I get what you mean. Lord of the Rings completely sucked because we all knew it would end with the ring getting tossed into Mount Doom.

also quite convenient that most of the deaths were no name characters.

Yeah I would have expected all the best warriors to die and the no-name mediocre soldiers to still be standing.

And lol at Thoros and Viserion being no-name. Those are two big deaths, especially considering the implications of Beric/Jon now having no-one to bring them back and the Night King getting a massive boost to his army.

It's an odd choice to keep Tormund alive. What else does his character have left to do. The show has not given us any other Wildling plot line to consider. His arch is over and it would've been a noteworthy death - which this season has not delivered on.

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So many clutch saves in this episode.

Look at all these people disappointed in Tormund not dying. Can't believe they kept an awesome character alive!

I would have preferred Arya died before they decided to make her terrible

Super surprising that she's a bit 'off' after going through what she's gone through.

 

[Radec]

E07 promo

Spoiler

Is that in Kings Landing?

So everyone's army is there? Holy shit

 

[nubbe]

E07 promo

Spoiler

Is that in Kings Landing?

So everyone's army is there? Holy shit

Spoiler

Looks like every named character except those in Winterfell are there
Shit is going down

 

[Gobias]

Super surprising that she's a bit 'off' after going through what she's gone through.

She's not a terrible character now because she's different. I would expect her to change. I want her too. She's terrible because she's now written and performed terribly. She's written and performed as a weird mix of ultimate cool badass and straight up evil smiling sociopath. It's like some angsty teen writing their self incest OC

 

[Timbuktu]

E07 promo

Spoiler

Is that in Kings Landing?

So everyone's army is there? Holy shit

Spoiler

Would there be any negotions for prisoners? I hope Dany don't just forget Yara and Dorne now that she has her pint-sized hero.

 

[LonelyGreyWolf]

E07 promo

Spoiler

Is that in Kings Landing?

So everyone's army is there? Holy shit

Spoiler

Well, not much else left to do this season

So the group managed to find a small group of wights for them to ambush (how convenient), kill them and you have only one remaining (how convenient), Dany manages to arrive right at the moment everybody was going to die even when she had DAYS and yet she came at that exact moment (how convenient), the NK shooting Viserion instead of shooting Drogon who had the one raiding them (how convenient), Dany was about to leave only for Jon to arrive immediately after (how convenient), uncle Benjen arriving just when Jon needed him (how convenient). Not going to talk about how the ravens turned into emails or how uncle Benjen for some reason didn't have the time even when it's clear he could've easily escaped with Jon and the wights wouldn't catch with them. Are the writers even trying anymore?

I wish I could argue against you, but I agree 100%. The writing quality has gone down a lot.

 

[ValfarHL]

She's not a terrible character now because she's different. I would expect her to change. I want her too. She's terrible because she's now written and performed terribly. She's written and performed as a weird mix of ultimate cool badass and straight up evil smiling sociopath. It's like some angsty teen writing their self incest OC

Its all a ploy to fool LF, just you watch. Sansa can't know its just an act, cause he would see right through it.

 

[Skux]

Yeah I'm pretty sure Arya is doing some kind of double agent 4D chess shit. It just hasn't paid off yet which is why we're left wondering wtf is going on and why she's acting so weird. Probably to evoke a response from Sansa that makes her run to Littlefinger and then he inadvertently confesses to some dodgy shit while the other lords are secretly hiding behind a curtain or something.

 

[BraXzy]

sucks that we won't get a "Field of Fire" battle now with 3 dragons on one side, poor Viserion

Never thought about this but yeah, after everything, we're never going to get a badass 3 dragon battle

 

[Don Draper's Hat]

Can't believe I had this episode spoilt by Sky News on Twitter of all fucking things.

They were stupid enough to tweet something like "Emilia Clarke talks about her character's heartbreaking loss - warning: spoilers"

Oh great. One of her dragons obviously dies. Thanks. Fucking idiots.

 

[duckroll]

Can't believe I had this episode spoilt by Sky News on Twitter of all fucking things.

They were stupid enough to tweet something like "Emilia Clarke talks about her character's heartbreaking loss - warning: spoilers"

Oh great. One of her dragons obviously dies. Thanks. Fucking idiots.

I dunno, could have been that Jon broke his knee on the mission and can't bend it no more.

 

[nubbe]

Jorah is just a friend, no big deal

 

[jm89]

Yeah I'm pretty sure Arya is doing some kind of double agent 4D chess shit. It just hasn't paid off yet which is why we're left wondering wtf is going on and why she's acting so weird. Probably to evoke a response from Sansa that makes her run to Littlefinger and then he inadvertently confesses to some dodgy shit while the other lords are secretly hiding behind a curtain or something.

Why go through all this trouble which will result in the end result of him being imprisoned or killed.

Kill him now nobody will give a rats ass. Robin is the only one who would bat an eye but arya could use her faceless men tech to handle him.

 

[LonelyGreyWolf]

I kind of hope Dany turns into the mad queen. I think it could be done in a really convincing way if it's written well, given her developments and changes. The TV audience love her, and it would be an easy way to break their heart (which GoT has enjoyed doing in the past). Like Cersei kills Jon, or refuses to help Dany or some such, and Dany snaps in her impulsiveness. Or maybe Jon has to kill Dany.

I doubt GoT will have a happy ending, at least I hope it doesn't. Dany ruling over a burning world filled with fear, or Jon having to rule over a world destroyed by the clash of dragons and white walkers could be two ways I imagine the story ending.

 

[Plum]

Ep7 Promo:

Spoiler

I'd be highly disappointed if all the "good" characters get out alive after going to King's Landing. We're well overdue a major character death that wasn't one of the bad guys; things need shaking up a bit before going into S8.

 

[sfedai0]

So Uncle Benjen is half WW? I wonder if he is actually dead? Or is he now full on WW and him and the dragon gonna come back and wreck some faces?

 

[ForsakenLotus]

This season in particular I've had an issue with the jarring passage of time, but the last episode was I believe the first time where it actually made me dislike an episode. It was just very sloppy.

We have no idea how far they traveled before they encounter the scouting party of White Walker and Wights. So when Gendry has to run back to Eastwatch, we don't know how far he has to run or how long it might take them.

When they are surrounded by the Wights and eventually the Night's King and company, they wait there without formulating any kind of plan or discussing or showing how they survive. Do they find a way to drink the water surrounding them? What about food? What about tending to the wounded and the difficult decisions that come with providing for them? What about the immense mental fatigue they would feel?
All we see is that time passes, they have some more conversation that seems almost disconnected from their current situation, and eventually The Hound gets bored and throws some rocks (which is good writing imo).

What really hurts the authenticity of the ensuing fight is that after an unspecified time, surely at least a couple days, the group looks and fights as if they hadn't been stuck on a rock in arctic weather conditions surrounded by thousands of zombie warriors.

What kills a lot of the tension is the preceding scene with Dany getting on her Dragons. At that point we know she will show up and save the day. And just how long does it take a raven to go from Eastwatch to Dragonstone and then for Dany to fly to where they are? It makes the groups survivial seem even more implausible and more noticeable that they didn't seem to struggle all that much. We also know one of her dragons will very likely die. And the way they wrote the scene, the events don't even make sense. Why was Jon randomly fighting random Wights after everyone else was on Drogon? Why didn't the Night's King throw the magical ice spear at the Dragon standing still on the ground that literally everyone except Jon was on? Why didn't Dany spot the group of four dudes on horses and burn them (this alone isn't a big deal, but it adds to the frustration).

After the one Dragon is killed, instead of trying to immediately kill the Night's King they run. That's acceptable, although I really wish at some point Jon or somebody would have told Dany she should try to kill the dudes on horses (especially before a Dragon was killed). But then Jon falls in the water, and the Night's King doesn't make sure he's dead? Jon gets up, and after all of this is when Benjen shows up? That's just bad, bad writing. And why can't Benjen AND Jon ride the horse? It's not like Wights on foot could keep pace with a horse, even with two riders. It's a cheap save and a cheap sacrifice. And unless we find out that Jon essentially cannot die from cold the way Dany essentially can't die from heat, it's another really poor piece of writing that he didn't die.

Also, seems to me that a Giant throwing a magical ice spear at a Dragon makes more logical sense, but I suppose I can forgive that.

I really hate that they shortened the season. Almost every problem could have been fixed just by ending one episode with the group surrounded and having the next episode show the struggle to stay alive and stay sane while hoping for Dany to come. It's really a shame, because although I'm very much enjoying this season I can't help but feel like entire scenes and plot lines are missing or left hanging in order to fill seven episodes too full.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Preview talk:

Spoiler

Hope we get a Red Wedding moment, but I highly doubt it.

 

[Mithrarin]

So the group managed to find a small group of wights for them to ambush (how convenient), kill them and you have only one remaining (how convenient), Dany manages to arrive right at the moment everybody was going to die even when she had DAYS and yet she came at that exact moment (how convenient), the NK shooting Viserion instead of shooting Drogon who had the one raiding them (how convenient), Dany was about to leave only for Jon to arrive immediately after (how convenient), uncle Benjen arriving just when Jon needed him (how convenient). Not going to talk about how the ravens turned into emails or how uncle Benjen for some reason didn't have the time even when it's clear he could've easily escaped with Jon and the wights wouldn't catch with them. Are the writers even trying anymore?

I don't get why people are so bothered that NK attacked Viserion instead of Drogon. Viserion was doing big damage to the NK's army and was flying towards the NK in the shot before he throws the spear. I think it was smart to aim for Viserion first to avoid him getting too close and potentially attacking NK and WW. But they could've done a much better job visually to highlight this.

 

[water_wendi]

I kind of hope Dany turns into the mad queen. I think it could be done in a really convincing way if it's written well, given her developments and changes. The TV audience love her, and it would be an easy way to break their heart (which GoT has enjoyed doing in the past). Like Cersei kills Jon, or refuses to help Dany or some such, and Dany snaps in her impulsiveness. Or maybe Jon has to kill Dany.

I doubt GoT will have a happy ending, at least I hope it doesn't. Dany ruling over a burning world filled with fear, or Jon having to rule over a world destroyed by the clash of dragons and white walkers could be two ways I imagine the story ending.

What could make her going mad really work is if she goes mad for just reasons. What if she goes into no fucks mode because she now knows whats coming from beyond the wall? Theres no time for protracted sieges when a tidal wave of undead is coming with leadership that can down a dragon single-handedly.

 

[Juup]

Here's a random question: about the scene where the captured wight is kicked and screams, and some other wights start to scream as well in a similar way. Is this supposed to be an indication of some kind of shared consciousness/life force between wights? Perhaps all wights who were created by the same White Walker have some kind of connection. Or do you think I am reading too much into it?

 

[Window]

That succession talk is either a red herring or a hint towards Dany's untimely end.

 

[bratpack]

This season in particular I've had an issue with the jarring passage of time, but the last episode was I believe the first time where it actually made me dislike an episode. It was just very sloppy.

We have no idea how far they traveled before they encounter the scouting party of White Walker and Wights. So when Gendry has to run back to Eastwatch, we don't know how far he has to run or how long it might take them.

When they are surrounded by the Wights and eventually the Night's King and company, they wait there without formulating any kind of plan or discussing or showing how they survive. Do they find a way to drink the water surrounding them? What about food? What about tending to the wounded and the difficult decisions that come with providing for them? What about the immense mental fatigue they would feel?
All we see is that time passes, they have some more conversation that seems almost disconnected from their current situation, and eventually The Hound gets bored and throws some rocks (which is good writing imo).

What really hurts the authenticity of the ensuing fight is that after an unspecified time, surely at least a couple days, the group looks and fights as if they hadn't been stuck on a rock in arctic weather conditions surrounded by thousands of zombie warriors.

What kills a lot of the tension is the preceding scene with Dany getting on her Dragons. At that point we know she will show up and save the day. And just how long does it take a raven to go from Eastwatch to Dragonstone and then for Dany to fly to where they are? It makes the groups survivial seem even more implausible and more noticeable that they didn't seem to struggle all that much. We also know one of her dragons will very likely die. And the way they wrote the scene, the events don't even make sense. Why was Jon randomly fighting random Wights after everyone else was on Drogon? Why didn't the Night's King throw the magical ice spear at the Dragon standing still on the ground that literally everyone except Jon was on? Why didn't Dany spot the group of four dudes on horses and burn them (this alone isn't a big deal, but it adds to the frustration).

After the one Dragon is killed, instead of trying to immediately kill the Night's King they run. That's acceptable, although I really wish at some point Jon or somebody would have told Dany she should try to kill the dudes on horses (especially before a Dragon was killed). But then Jon falls in the water, and the Night's King doesn't make sure he's dead? Jon gets up, and after all of this is when Benjen shows up? That's just bad, bad writing. And why can't Benjen AND Jon ride the horse? It's not like Wights on foot could keep pace with a horse, even with two riders. It's a cheap save and a cheap sacrifice. And unless we find out that Jon essentially cannot die from cold the way Dany essentially can't die from heat, it's another really poor piece of writing that he didn't die.

Also, seems to me that a Giant throwing a magical ice spear at a Dragon makes more logical sense, but I suppose I can forgive that.

I really hate that they shortened the season. Almost every problem could have been fixed just by ending one episode with the group surrounded and having the next episode show the struggle to stay alive and stay sane while hoping for Dany to come. It's really a shame, because although I'm very much enjoying this season I can't help but feel like entire scenes and plot lines are missing or left hanging in order to fill seven episodes too full.

thats probly a pacing issue too and would break the momentum the episode was going for at the end of the day movies do there whole story in 2 hours 3 hours max why cant GOT resolve one story arc in 1 episode instead of dragging it out into 2.

Ravens probly take about an hour or so to arrive to dany
Dany takes probly about an hour or so to arrive by Dragon altogether about 5-6 hours

 

[FeD.nL]

Ep7 Promo:

Spoiler

I'd be highly disappointed if all the "good" characters get out alive after going to King's Landing. We're well overdue a major character death that wasn't one of the bad guys; things need shaking up a bit before going into S8.

Baseless speculation on Ep7:

Spoiler

Yup, this is my guess as well. There's bound to happen something there. At the very least I can see someone like Davos dying there. Or even Tyrion in some revenge plan of Cersei

 

[DoomGyver]

I'm preparing myself for a main character death cliffhanger. Seems like that's the thing to do in modern television. (yuck)

 

[ForsakenLotus]

thats probly a pacing issue too and would break the momentum the episode was going for at the end of the day movies do there whole story in 2 hours 3 hours max why cant GOT resolve one story arc in 1 episode instead of dragging it out into 2.

Ravens probly take about an hour or so to arrive to dany
Dany takes probly about an hour or so to arrive by Dragon altogether about 5-6 hours

I haven't read the books, but your guess for how long it takes a raven to travel to Dragonstone and for Dany to ride past Eastwatch seems way off. Don't get me wrong, they have been really inconsistent with travel times before, but less than a day makes Westeros seem like a really small continent. I mean, Gendry running from where they were to Eastwatch, them sending a raven to Dragonstone, and Dany getting the raven (deciding to act, and getting dressed in winter clothes) and flying to their rescue takes the same amount of time as a flight from New York to LA. I just don't buy it.

As for the pacing, I don't understand how it's bad? You end an episode on a cliffhanger with them surrounded. During the next episode you show some scenes with them struggling to survive, planning, talking (exposition), and in doing so build a realistic amount of tension and proper atmosphere for their situation before The Hound throws a rock and before Dany saves them. Seems like perfectly fine pacing to me.

 

[Jumeira]

Pales in comparison to the original (god the musical cues kill me every time).

This terrible editing style is (thankfully) only a staple of Indian soap operas (not movies).

HOOOLY shit! Almost spat out my tea, goddamit they got the authentic Indian cheese factor in there. Lol, will send to my wife, I mean I mock the shows she watches and the cheesy closeups and sounds of lightning striking when emoting shock, but my god, this summed it up perfectly! I can't watch this at work, I had to stop, as watching this discretely comes across as if im having a seizure due to trying to hold in my laughter.

 

[Bisnic]

EP7 Promo :

Spoiler

Hey, look, it's Greyworm. Wonder what he was doing all that time. Hanging in Casterly Rock with his new bro Euron?

Also, they really ought to deal with this Sansa vs Arya (with Littlefinger twirling his mustache in the shadows) plot next week. I can't see it continuing next season.

 

[bratpack]

As for the pacing, I don't understand how it's bad? You end an episode on a cliffhanger with them surrounded. During the next episode you show some scenes with them struggling to survive, planning, talking (exposition), and in doing so build a realistic amount of tension and proper atmosphere for their situation before The Hound throws a rock and before Dany saves them. Seems like perfectly fine pacing to me.

I dunno I wouldn't have liked that as a cliffhanger imo because we know most of those important characters will survive otherwise what's the point of next season plus the previous episode ended with a build to them standing at the gates about to enter the journey

Jamie falling in the water in ep 4 was obvious he wouldn't die too much untold drama there was a lame cliffhanger

 

[soundscream]

Ep7 Promo:

Spoiler

I'd be highly disappointed if all the "good" characters get out alive after going to King's Landing. We're well overdue a major character death that wasn't one of the bad guys; things need shaking up a bit before going into S8.

Spoiler

You will be disappointed. It's a meeting on neutral ground with Dannys army right there. There is like almost no chance any fighting is happening there.

 

[LonelyGreyWolf]

Also, while they were stranded on that island-ish, instead of just waiting around, why didn't they smash the ice around them with their hammer(s)?

 

[J2 Cool]

Ep 7 speculation:

Spoiler

Season likely ends (after some action) with the realm assembling, and a tease shot of the Night King approaching the wall on dragon, with a new terrible dragon roar. Maybe he spits his ice, and cut to black.

 

[broncobuster]

Pales in comparison to the original (god the musical cues kill me every time).

This terrible editing style is (thankfully) only a staple of Indian soap operas (not movies).

Why is that so good

 

[Volgarth]

I'm preparing myself for a main character death cliffhanger. Seems like that's the thing to do in modern television. (yuck)

Yep. Cersei Lannister will capture Jon, Daenerys, Tyrion, Missandei, Grey worm, Theon, and the Hound. She will sit them all down on their knees, and then break out her baseball bat covered in Dragon scales. The she will go Eeny, Meeny, Miney, Moe.

Fade to black, and To Be Continued Next Season...

 

[Dynamite Shikoku]

this season has overtaken season 5 for me as worst ever

 

[Plum]

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You will be disappointed. It's a meeting on neutral ground with Dannys army right there. There is like almost no chance any fighting is happening there.

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Assuming you're not talking from leaks there is precedent for neutral meetings between two groups with one group's army right there to go tits up. It's also the penultimate Season finale; unless Season 8 ends with literally everyone dying it's the last opportunity for some major cliffhangers/deaths to end a season with.

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But yeah, I'll probably be disappointed.

 

[soundscream]

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Assuming you're not talking from leaks there is precedent for neutral meetings between two groups with one group's army right there to go tits up. It's also the penultimate Season finale; unless Season 8 ends with literally everyone dying it's the last opportunity for some major cliffhangers/deaths to end a season with.

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But yeah, I'll probably be disappointed.

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Cerci has almost no Army left, and Dany still has the Majority of her forces minus 1 dragon. Unless Cerci is going on a suicide mission there is no way she tries something. Thats not how Tywin would have fought her. At the red wedding there were no lanisters involved. If Cerci does something it wont be a direct action where she is front and center.

 

[Yager]

Who was the guy that fell off the island into the group of white walkers? i couldn't tell who it was...

Stan.

Edit: damnit beaten.

 

[ForsakenLotus]

I dunno I wouldn't have liked that as a cliffhanger imo because we know most of those important characters will survive otherwise what's the point of next season plus the previous episode ended with a build to them standing at the gates about to enter the journey

Jamie falling in the water in ep 4 was obvious he wouldn't die too much untold drama there was a lame cliffhanger

For one, more chracters should have died. Of the Fellowship of the Light/Magnificent Seven, only one died - and it was the most expendable one. And while I can't tell you how you would have felt about a hypothetical cliffhanger ending to the penultimate episode this seasons, if written correctly it would have been really intense. Imagine if for instance they took the time to show them struggling to survive for several days, only for The Hound to throw some rocks and reveal the ice had frozen over. Now imagine the Wights start pushing forward and the camera zooms out to show the heroes being descended upon and then cut to black. I don't think many people would think to themselves, yeah I don't think too many of them will die. It's Game of Thrones, people die!

They could then open the next episode with the battle they ended with (though I would change some things). Without knowing what next episode will show us, the ice dragon reveal could have been the final shot this season and been a huge wtf/omg moment even if many of us assumed it would happen.

And yeah, them focusing on Jaime falling into the water was style over substance. I wasn't a fan of that, although the other 99% of that scene was absolutely stunning. I can overlook that.

But the last episode to me failed in almost every way other than the fighting (still not the best we've seen though). It has some awesome moments and some great dialogue, but as somebody who loves this show AND hasn't read the books (and therefore not snobbish towards the show) it's kind of hard to understand the people that really liked if not loved the episode considering the poor pacing, writing and direction in my opinion. I just want and expect better from the show.

 

[Jacknapes]

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I have this feeling there will be a Dragon battle between Daenerys and the Night King (Drogon vs Zombie Viserion). Rhaegal probably gets taken out or something down the line, probably by the Lannisters in the next episode.

The way i see the end of this current season is the Night King arriving at the Wall riding Viserion and landing in front of it before the episode cuts to black.

 

[Deadly]

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Cerci has almost no Army left, and Dany still has the Majority of her forces minus 1 dragon. Unless Cerci is going on a suicide mission there is no way she tries something. Thats not how Tywin would have fought her. At the red wedding there were no lanisters involved. If Cerci does something it wont be a direct action where she is front and center.

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She could just get to the meeting point first and sabotage/trap it or something? Shit has to go down there