FallingEdge
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Drago is the best character in the Rocky series, it makes sense for him to come back.
Nah, you're not. Its a fucking ridiculous and stupid endeavor Stallone is pursuing, made even more ridiculous by the fact it aint even his series anymore. Its Coogler's. And he presumably has his own ideas about Donnie's story that doesn't include Sly sucking himself off in a sloppy nostalgic fury.
I really want to know what happened to Drago after Rocky 4 and after seeing Dolph on season 5 of Arrow I think he can give a competent performance.
Trump cameos, praising Drago and asking for his autograph.
Tells Adonis that both sides were at fault concerning Apollos death
I really want to know what happened to Drago after Rocky 4
Take it easy. Coogler did an ok remake of Rocky, let's see if he can make a better Rocky movie than Stallone has
Drago is the best character in the Rocky series,
Bobby...Coogler's not coming back.Stallone needs to stop with all this bullshit.
This is Coogler's series now. Not his.
Take it easy. Coogler did an ok remake of Rocky, let's see if he can make a better Rocky movie than Stallone has before we throw Sly on the trash pile.
If they want the movie out quick he ain't coming back.What makes you think Coogler isn't coming back?
Creed isn't Stallone's baby. If there's a Creed series, it needs to not be Stallone's baby.
Stallone doesn't treat his cinematic babies well at all.
Rocky is literally dying of cancer. Even the Rocky movies wouldn't be crazy enough to have him fight Drago.
What makes you think Coogler isn't coming back?
Creed isn't Stallone's baby. If there's a Creed series, it needs to not be Stallone's baby.
Stallone doesn't treat his cinematic babies well at all.
It would be a bizarre career trajectory in my eyes.
Alright, Solo, you be quiet.It would be a bizarre career trajectory in my eyes. I mean, I guess Nolan did 2 more Batman movies to solidify himself at WB and get eternal carte blanche. So it isn't unheard of. But let's also not pretend that Coogler made anywhere near the kind of money for MGM that Nolan did for WB. I just don't think it fits where his career is headed. I also don't expect him to do any more than 1 film for Marvel Studios. Get that exposure and move onwards and upwards.
They can wait. They don't need it out quick. They need it out right.
It took 30 years for someone else (not Stallone) to take the grease fire that was Rocky IV and turn it into something worthwhile. They can wait a little longer for Donnie's story to continue if they need to.
No more stranger than coming off of Fruitvale and deciding his next movie was going to be a Rocky spinoff with Creed's kid.
In what universe isn't Dragos story deeply tied to Creeds
Dunno why Nolan's even being brought up here.
IIRC Stallone wants to do one of the movies like Godfather 2 and have scenes from Apollo's life etc.
Just used him as an example of a (then) up and coming director, drawing a parallel
Drago killing Creed doesn't have much of anything to do with Donnie's story. Donnie ain't even mad at his dad for dying in the ring. Everyone else seems to have more of a problem with it than he does. He's fine with it. He seems to see it as honorable or some shit like that. if anything, the only problem Donnie seems to have with that fight is that Rocky didn't stop it. Maybe.
This one?
Creed was trotted out and killed off in Rocky IV solely to give Rocky some purpose in his life. The only reason Creed gets killed is because Mickey was killed to do the same thing in the last movie. The only reason Mickey got killed in that movie was because Adrian went into a coma in the previous film.
Drago killing Creed doesn't have much of anything to do with Donnie's story. Donnie ain't even mad at his dad for dying in the ring. Everyone else seems to have more of a problem with it than he does. He's fine with it. He seems to see it as honorable or some shit like that. if anything, the only problem Donnie seems to have with that fight is that Rocky didn't stop it. Maybe.
Drago is tangential to Donnie's story at best. Turning Creed, which is a smaller-scaled personal story (these are the Rocky stories that work best, btw) into an '80s-era "THE RUSSIANS!" nostalgia hash (and yes, I know that's actually what's happening in THE WORLD right now, but it's a pretty different version of that going on in real life, too) because Stallone doesn't have any fucking ideas left in his head is a bad call, Ripley. It's a bad call.
Rocky IV isn't deeply tied to anything. It's masturbatory bullshit. It's a Stallone ego-stroke. Which is what makes Coogler taking any element from it and turning out the film he made even more miraculous.
Stallone can't make that magic anymore. He shouldn't be allowed to attempt it, either. His time in that position is fuckin' done.
This one?
Creed was trotted out and killed off in Rocky IV solely to give Rocky some purpose in his life. The only reason Creed gets killed is because Mickey was killed to do the same thing in the last movie. The only reason Mickey got killed in that movie was because Adrian went into a coma in the previous film.
Drago killing Creed doesn't have much of anything to do with Donnie's story. Donnie ain't even mad at his dad for dying in the ring. Everyone else seems to have more of a problem with it than he does. He's fine with it. He seems to see it as honorable or some shit like that. if anything, the only problem Donnie seems to have with that fight is that Rocky didn't stop it. Maybe.
Drago is tangential to Donnie's story at best. Turning Creed, which is a smaller-scaled personal story (these are the Rocky stories that work best, btw) into an '80s-era "THE RUSSIANS!" nostalgia hash (and yes, I know that's actually what's happening in THE WORLD right now, but it's a pretty different version of that going on in real life, too) because Stallone doesn't have any fucking ideas left in his head is a bad call, Ripley. It's a bad call.
Rocky IV isn't deeply tied to anything. It's masturbatory bullshit. It's a Stallone ego-stroke. Which is what makes Coogler taking any element from it and turning out the film he made even more miraculous.
Stallone can't make that magic anymore. He shouldn't be allowed to attempt it, either. His time in that position is fuckin' done.
If Ryan Coogler isn't directing, I'll probably skip it.If Ryan Coogler isn't directing...idk if I will be as hyped, regardless of how much I loved Creed.
Not to mention that Stallone, despite not having a credit, was very much involved in writing Creed with Coogler and Covington, and he also gave his best acting performance in 18 years in it.
Dang, Bobby. Did Sly kill your dog or something?
Screw it. There's a ton of potential there, and Dolph is a great actor. I can see this being something special.
It's understandable.It's weird seeing you guys being so precious about something that wouldn't exist without Stallone.
Not to mention that Stallone, despite not having a credit, was very much involved in writing Creed with Coogler and Covington, and he also gave his best acting performance in 18 years in it.
It's weird seeing you guys being so precious about something that wouldn't exist without Stallone.
It's weird seeing you guys being so precious about something that wouldn't exist without Stallone.
Not to mention that Stallone, despite not having a credit, was very much involved in writing Creed with Coogler and Covington, and he also gave his best acting performance in 18 years in it.
He already did. It was called Creed.
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Let him go 1v1 with Creed Jr.
To bring this full circle, the Nolan Batman films wouldn't have existed without Tim Burton (and to a lesser degree, Joel Schumacher) yet, we love the later incarnations more.
It happens.
And to your point about best performance, why didn Sly get that kind of performance out of himself in Rocky Balboa?
Could the difference in each scenario be...directing?!?
To be fair, Sylvester Stallone's performance in Rocky Balboa was pretty damn good regardless if it didn't get any awards recognition.
I don't recall Creed winning best film of 1977
With your encyclopedic knowledge and lore expertise, please enlighten us as to which film did win.
Creed was bafflingly redundant and I can't understand why it got hyped to the extent it was. It felt like a Platinum Dunes remake of Rocky lacking any finesse. But people don't seem to care for The Force Awakens being as redudant as it was either... so... It added absolutely nothing.
If he could compete for supporting actor in Rocky Balboa, maybe he would have gotten it, but he was a lead and could not be up for supporting actor in Rocky Balboa.And yet, not as good as his performance, in the same role, in Creed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creed_(film)
Look at all the awards he was both nominated for and won for that role.
If he could compete for supporting actor in Rocky Balboa, maybe he would have gotten it, but he was a lead and could not be up for supporting actor in Rocky Balboa.
Based on the trajectory and tone of Creed, why do you think this is a good idea?
Which is what makes Coogler taking any element from it and turning out the film he made even more miraculous.
Stallone can't make that magic anymore. He shouldn't be allowed to attempt it, either. His time in that position is fuckin' done.
I just like the idea of having Adonis attempting to test himself and get revenge on his dad's behalf.
If he could compete for supporting actor in Rocky Balboa, maybe he would have gotten it, but he was a lead and could not be up for supporting actor in Rocky Balboa.
And yet, not as good as his performance, in the same role, in Creed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creed_(film)
Look at all the awards he was both nominated for and won for that role.
It's not in any way a miracle taking that element and turning it into a pointless rehash.