Imperfected
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I mean, he's got like 19 daughter-wives, I think, so law of averages say he's probably pumped out ~19 boys along the way.
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I mean, he's got like 19 daughter-wives, I think, so law of averages say he's probably pumped out ~19 boys along the way.
If he does die then it'll mean that Bran spills the beans about his laundry list of betrayals, this has been foreshadowed already this season.
I think Bran taking LF out would be fitting because:
A: It'd be sweet vengeance considering LF tried to frame his murder.
B: It'd prove that LF is literally so perfect and devious that it took a motherfuckin TIME WIZARD to finally undo his web of lies.
Yeah but what does it mean that the baby is turning blue-eyed? Will he grow up to be a white talker? Do they have teen angst?
We've seen at least 3 white walkers die, there are obviously more. Including the Night King, there were 4 sitting up on the cliff at Hardhome, but we also saw several fighting down below including the one Jon defeated.
Most obviously, there were a bunch here:
Imperfected
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The fact that all the White Walkers we've seen appear to be male, and Craster only sacrifices sons, does further suggest that the babies grow up to be hoary-bearded gaunt frostmen, yes.
LegendofDragoonLives
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It makes sense that only two characters can actually kill him:
- manhattan cripple who doesn't seem to give a fuck about his own fam,
- Sansa makes sense since she's been studying the best liars in the entire series, on top of being personally taught by the best for the last few seasons. On top of that, she's hsi only weakness, literally the only person he gives a fuck about. It's not a coincidence that as soon as mama Stark dies, LF plots and kills the King of the 7 Kingdoms for it.
Maybe Varys and Tyrion as a double team, but Tyrion based on this season might as well get outsmarted by fucking Hodor the way he's been going about things.
I was the one who said Sansa would sit on the throne first fam, get in line ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Speaking of Bran, what has he done this season?
1) Reached Winterfell
2) Spook his sisters & LF for knowing certain things.
3) Saw the Night King beyond the Wall (surprise, surprise) and asked to send ravens
For a Time Wizard, he sure is doing a shitty job at it.
It was very much in character. He wanted to take on the NK singlehandedly. Jon hasn't cared about his own life for quite some time now, and even before his first death he was pretty eager to put himself in harm's way.
Tyrion moved an icon for the Dornish army on the Painted (map) table at the beginning of the episode. Maybe they still exist.
Apologies.
A lot of people seem to overlook Sansa cuz she doesn't have crazy superpowers like the rest of the Starks, but I think she's gonna have a Cersei Jr. moment. Unless Arya slaughters her next week and makes me feel dumb. lol
TimeEffect
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I guess it makes sense, but it seems off that a dude who was playing everyone to get the throne has been stuck with the Stark kids and making little progress.
I guess I always expected more from him and he lost all that mystery a while ago.
Speaking of Varys, I have to assume he's going to eat it soon since thats what the Red Woman said.
They apparently grew up within a few years and become old WW grandpas. We also know now after last episode that WW can control wights but their range is much more limited than the NK's
Also I love how in the opening of the season they showed us the giant wights but all of a sudden they disappeared.
good point. There are a lot of conversations that still have to happen. Plus it would've given us some time to really take in Thoros' death.
In fact, everything you said made perfect sense. I think the directors for this season have not really been so good.
Imperfected
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Taylor's not flat-out bad or anything, he's just laser-focused on scenes he wants to do.
He really wanted to do the scene with the Hound throwing the rock at the Wight and the undead army slowly ramping up across the ice. (And it's a really well-shot scene, admittedly.) He went through some serious logical convolutions to make it happen.
He really wanted to do the Viserion opening his blue eyes scene. Again, a very well-shot and effective scene, it's just he may not have really wanted to put in all the appropriate "work" to get there.
He just needs an assistant to string together the points between his big keystone scenes, which are super good. He doesn't seem to have a ton of interest in doing so himself and just goes through the motions to bridge the gaps.
He really wanted to do the scene with the Hound throwing the rock at the Wight and the undead army slowly ramping up across the ice. (And it's a really well-shot scene, admittedly.) He went through some serious logical convolutions to make it happen.
He really wanted to do the Viserion opening his blue eyes scene. Again, a very well-shot and effective scene, it's just he may not have really wanted to put in all the appropriate "work" to get there.
He just needs an assistant to string together the points between his big keystone scenes, which are super good. He doesn't seem to have a ton of interest in doing so himself and just goes through the motions to bridge the gaps.
TheLostBigBoss
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Put me in the game coach, I'm ready!
LegendofDragoonLives
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Apologies.
A lot of people seem to overlook Sansa cuz she doesn't have crazy superpowers like the rest of the Starks, but I think she's gonna have a Cersei Jr. moment. Unless Arya slaughters her next week and makes me feel dumb. lol
Hmmmm who does this remind me of?
Yeah she might. She reminds of LF a lot in that way, I feel like she's much more like him than Cersei.
The only one I've thought that can kill him unless something magical (ie.. manhattan crip) happens was Sansa for years now. He usually tries to predict what happens and adjusts well enough when he's surprised, but she's a legitimate surprise factor for him. Him actually loving her while her being caniving and plotting like he does seems fucked up enough for her to be his undoing. Could be executed a lot better than they did it this year but uh.. I'm just hoping if that's what happens next ep, it's written well. I couldn't care for Arya killing him since she's had her development, Sansa to me makes a lot more sense (at least if she makes up the plan).
I knew it. I fucking knew it. Showboating motherfucker did in fact lose us a dragon. Straight from the horse's mouth. Man if he didn't bend the knee when he did, I would have legit wanted to see Drogon and Rhaegal beat his ass for getting their brother killed.
The Silver
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Holy crap I completely forgot Rickon died, I was wondering where the little bastard was and then oh yeah he's dead.
The Cersei Tyrion is trying to convince Dany they should plan for, contrasted with the actual Cersei waiting for them in KL.
Your sister is a fucking psycho you dumb idiot. Tyrion for the love of god, stop treating your sister like she's a sane, rational human being. If they don't ask where Ellaria is, what has been done to her, and if they can have her back, this meeting is dumb as hell (dumber than it actually already is).
Your sister is a fucking psycho you dumb idiot. Tyrion for the love of god, stop treating your sister like she's a sane, rational human being. If they don't ask where Ellaria is, what has been done to her, and if they can have her back, this meeting is dumb as hell (dumber than it actually already is).
Theres no evidence the night king can be killed with dragon glass
The Cersei Tyrion is trying to convince Dany they should plan for, contrasted with the actual Cersei waiting for them in KL.
Your sister is a fucking psycho you dumb idiot. Tyrion for the love of god, stop treating your sister like she's a sane, rational human being. If they don't ask where Ellaria is, what has been done to her, and if they can have her back, this meeting is dumb as hell (dumber than it actually already is).
I 100% agree with you that it's foolish to expect Cersei to react rationally, but I sorta, kinda understand Tyrion a little tiny bit. He has seen the humanity in Cersei, they did actually have a few tender scenes between them in the past.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wxdrhHlcnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkwFQMFTY1k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53ZY_EEl6j0
Also, watch the scenes above for a reminder why Cersei and Tyrion was the best pairing on the show. It's the reason I'm so excited for the finale, they'll finally talk to each other again.
The Cersei Tyrion is trying to convince Dany they should plan for, contrasted with the actual Cersei waiting for them in KL.
Your sister is a fucking psycho you dumb idiot. Tyrion for the love of god, stop treating your sister like she's a sane, rational human being. If they don't ask where Ellaria is, what has been done to her, and if they can have her back, this meeting is dumb as hell (dumber than it actually already is).
I can see Cersei thinking of ways to exploit the dead army, putting them against Dany, and then not giving a fuck about the possible aftermath (ie: Watch the world
The Artisan
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how do you figure that it is "most likely" dude? I have no reason to believe the Nking is a known character. He's a figure from the past
Almost all of Cersei's humanity revolved around her children, and now her children are all dead (well she has new one on the way). Hell Tyrion of all people should know what Cersei is capable of, she was after all the one who demanded his trial and execution, and was responsible for using his own lover against him. We're now living in a post Sept world. This nut job blew up the last place she had all her enemies bunched together in one place. Tyrion is being uncharacteristically stupid. Not only that, Tyrion just recently made good faith negotiations with much saner actors than Cersei, and was played like a harp *
. This is why you don't have a bloody politician (who suddenly has become an idiot) running your war campaign.Yeah.. he of all people should know better with Cersei. I agree here
SurrenderDorothy
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Tyrion and Varys are one of the low points this season.
I hate how Varys isn't mysterious anymore. There's no sense that he could be dangerous if need be. He's all about the 'good of the realm' and that's it.
In all fairness, he's been pulling for the good of the realm since S1.
Almost all of Cersei's humanity revolved around her children, and now her children are all dead (well she has new one on the way). Hell Tyrion of all people should know what Cersei is capable of, she was after all the one who demanded his trial and execution, and was responsible for using his own lover against him. We're now living in a post Sept world. This nut job blew up the last place she had all her enemies bunched together in one place. Tyrion is being uncharacteristically stupid. Not only that, Tyrion just recently made good faith negotiations with much saner actors than Cersei, and was played like a harp *
Ya, I can't really argue here. Tyrion's been acting dumb all season. Every suggestion he's made to Dany has led to one disaster after another. It's like he's still working with the Lannisters even though he technically isn't.
Thinking back, he screwed things up badly in Mereen too. Trusting the Masters left the city wide open for attack. If Dany didn't come back, her whole empire would have crumbled.
Honestly speaking, what has Tyrion done for Dany, other than be a thorn at her side?
True, but you always felt he had/could have ulterior motives too. And could be very dangerous if need be.
But now he's all about Dany and that's it. One of the poorer turns of a character IMO.
I agree, and I hate that. They are some of my fav characters, and they have been severely marginalized this season. They are ineffectual and exist only to provide (some) context for the actions of more "important" characters.
I hope this is turned around.
Tyrion and Varys became powerless dumbasses when they joined Dany for some reason
Tyrion was only really interesting when he had his father and sister to go up against while living with them. Ever since he killed his father and moved to Danny's camp he has lost the interesting bits about his story.
Varys also doesn't have much to do. I mean some of this is inevitable with the end game here and the world shrinking around the 2-3 main characters.
Varys also doesn't have much to do. I mean some of this is inevitable with the end game here and the world shrinking around the 2-3 main characters.
Similar to Littlefinger joining Sansa imo.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Maybe the original plan for the 10 episode run was for them to steam roll Cersei and then deal with the white walkers. They extended so had to make Cersei a thread requiring dumbing down of Tyrion and OP-ing Euron.
cartographer
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The Dany vortex has been pretty rough on other characters for most of the show. That plus full speed ahead really hasn't served them well.
And that's why I shake my head when people get upset that Dany (since his suggestions started falling apart) is questioning him more and more. Wouldn't you? Grey Worm and Missandei continuously warn him that they can not trust the Masters, but he's all like, "nah I know what I'm doing." What happens? The Masters do exactly what he was told they would do.
Notice how Dany right off the bat vouches for Tyrion and tells her allies that Tyrion is her Hand, and thus commands and deserves respect? Buddy is preaching about being smarter than your enemies, and seeing things from their perspective, so that you can one up them. Yet he himself doesn't follow (or is really shitty at it) any of his own suggestions. So he stands there with a dumb look on his face every time Dany rightfully questions his plans. Same Tyrion that gave us that masterful fuckery that revealed that Paycell was Cersei's plant, same Tyrion that beautifully got rid of Ser Janos Slynt, is now a brooding, wrong advice giving dumbass. It's making me so mad lol. God, please send him Bronn so we could get him out of this funk. Bronn would have told him, "ah strike at the Keep, and let's get this shit wrapped up and done with!"
The Artisan
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The Cersei Tyrion is trying to convince Dany they should plan for, contrasted with the actual Cersei waiting for them in KL.
Your sister is a fucking psycho you dumb idiot. Tyrion for the love of god, stop treating your sister like she's a sane, rational human being. If they don't ask where Ellaria is, what has been done to her, and if they can have her back, this meeting is dumb as hell (dumber than it actually already is).
where is that second gif from? a blooper?
I don't know man, but I love it. I need her to strut in like that right before she fucks up these dumbasses. This why we need a through and through cut throat like Arya on the team. While idiots like Tyrion (Dany+Jon) can go romanticise about this innocent and picture perfect war they want to wage, Arya can go and actually get real shit done. God I wish Hot Pie never showed up. Cersei would be dead by now, and we wouldn't be suffering from the stupidity that has become Arya+Sansa. Fuck you Hot Pie.
I felt like the entire point of him saying it to Ned (in the dungeon) was that he WAS revealing his true intentions. There's no point in lying to a dead man.
That doesn't mean he's not mysterious, but we learn that he's a lot like Littlefinger, just a good guy.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
Surely LF has plot armor? He hasn't had enough of an impact on the show. There must be a pay-off. I'm pretty certain he has some big plans that will come to fruition. Arya has plot armor to for the same reason; she has a bigger role to play. Sansa doesn't seem to have the same plot armor though imo.
Yeah. Search for Game of Thrones bloopers on Youtube and it should be one of the top results for sure.
Yeah. Search for Game of Thrones bloopers on Youtube and it should be one of the top results for sure.
And that's why I shake my head when people get upset that Dany (since his suggestions started falling apart) is questioning him more and more. Wouldn't you? Grey Worm and Missandei continuously warn him that they can not trust the Masters, but he's all like, "nah I know what I'm doing." What happens? The Masters do exactly what he was told they would do.
Notice how Dany right off the bat vouches for Tyrion and tells her allies that Tyrion is her Hand, and thus commands and deserves respect? Buddy is preaching about being smarter than your enemies, and seeing things from their perspective, so that you can one up them. Yet he himself doesn't follow (or is really shitty at it) any of his own suggestions. So he stands there with a dumb look on his face every time Dany rightfully questions his plans. Same Tyrion that gave us that masterful fuckery that revealed that Paycell was Cersei's plant, same Tyrion that beautifully got rid of Ser Janos Slynt, is now a brooding, wrong advice giving dumbass. It's making me so mad lol. God, please send him Bronn so we could get him out of this funk. Bronn would have told him, "ah strike at the Keep, and let's get this shit wrapped up and done with!"
The finale should have a reveal where Tyrion's been secretly sabotaging Dany the whole time on purpose to save Kings Landing from Dany. It would make a lot of his garbage advice and relentless failure make way more sense. He may hate Cersei, but he loves Jaime and loves Kings Landing. Think about Tyrion's advice so far:
- Send Jorah away a second time
- Trust the Masters
- Leave the Second Sons behind (not just Dario, but the whole mercenary army)
- Never attack the Red Keep
- Spread his forces, leaving Highgarden defenseless and losing 2 of his allies
- Told Dany not to attack the Lannister Loot train, which was her big victory
- The whole kidnap a Wight mission was his idea
- He told Dany not to fly to save Jon, but at this point he knew she wouldn't listen
He's been sabotaging her from day 1!
What? He's responsible for, like, everything that has happened in the show except the existence of the White Walkers.