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Greenberg: Expect to see more Japanese games coming to Xbox One
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nobody cancels good games.
The Pet of the Month
Member
Tell that to Bethesda 😕
Edit: well i suppose my example isn't quite on point either
VincentMatts
Member
Agreed. Theres obviously an audience, i cant fathom that people that own an xbox dont want any of these games. Get it done.
Some remasters are in pc, they can appear in xbox, why wouldn't they?
Kh and FF remasters would have sold decently.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
The Phantom Dust remake project and Scalebound are not comparable in any meaningful way.
As for Scalebound, wasn't it one person saying certain things had happened and then Kamiya said it wasn't the case? It's likely a case of journalists playing PM-phone tag... like, "I heard these rumblings yesterday", "oh, I heard about this too, so sad", and then under their breath ... "from 3 other people, that all have friends/network with the person that first made the claim". I mean, if we're being dead serious here, that is the majority of insider sources outside of people that actually work at these companies and can point directly to other people that work in other game companies for verifiable facts, not "rumors".
I remember that thread, there was a claim made by the person that Kamiya took time off for mental health because it was so bad an all these other things, Kamiya flatly denied it... people ignored Kamiya denying and kept on.
The Phantom Dust Remake, I feel like too many people went with their gut feelings instead of obvious odd signs that things with the dev story that came out. Too many things didn't make sense in that story but people at it up.
I disagree, I wouldn't have purchased Nier, but I would have bought the Kingdom Hearts collection and I am Setsuna on Xbox if it was available.
This is evidenced by the fact that despite owning a PS4, I want nothing to do with Nier, but Kingdom Hearts I need to play before KH III comes out, and I Setsuna is the Chrono Trigger like game I've wanted for years...
LiquidSolid
Member
The only thing Kamiya said didn't happen was the "taking time off for his mental health" thing and that didn't come from journalists at all, it came from shinobi. Having said that, people blew what shinobi said way out of proportion, immediately assuming he was talking about a mental breakdown or something dramatic when in reality he was just saying Kamiya was really stressed. So it may've been true but Kamiya denied it because of all the ridiculous hyberbole floating around.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
A lot of this boils down to perception of the platform vs actual sales potential. I'm of the opinion it's costing Microsoft more in sales by not making these third party Japanese games appear on Xbox than it would be to have them on Xbox and not sell a lot.
In this case, at least the small percentage of people who do play Japanese games on Xbox vs PS4 can remain in Xbox's ecosystem instead of spending money elsewhere, and now with the power shifting back in Xbox's favor, that helps from a different angle.
In this case, at least the small percentage of people who do play Japanese games on Xbox vs PS4 can remain in Xbox's ecosystem instead of spending money elsewhere, and now with the power shifting back in Xbox's favor, that helps from a different angle.
Samanosuke Akechi
Member
I recently read the single player was running by good but microsoft wanted platinum to include a multiplayer mode and it wasn't coming along good at all. Not sure if true but microsoft does like throwing multiplayer in most of its games so it makes sense.
where did you read that?
that they cancelled a perfectly good game, costing them milliions of quid, because it didn't have a decent multiplayer mode.
think about how much money they would make back from a single player only game
vs
a game that they cancelled, never released, never made any money from.
Ostrava04
Member
well Kamiya did have some tweets for MS in 2015 that he was displeased with them
And think of how much more money they'd make from online where they can sell map packs, or loot crates or microtransactions etc. MS are going all in with games as a service so I wouldn't be surprised if MS damanded more out of Scalebound from the original concept.
Oh if only that were true.
Attack You
Member
Never mind the Japanese games that were previously exclusive to the XB platform in some form, Microsoft had two uncontested properties in Crimson Dragon and Phantom Dust and look how they were handled.
Straight up hot take, I think MS has no respect for Japanese developers. Even Activision managed to pop off three shots with Platinum Games.
Straight up hot take, I think MS has no respect for Japanese developers. Even Activision managed to pop off three shots with Platinum Games.
In your esteemed opinion, why would anyone cancel a good game?
Maverick-ick
Member
Source please.
Scalebound looked and ran like shit and it was good that it was cancelled.
Lots of reasons. For example:
-The publisher thinks it would cost more to finish and release than it would earn back.
-The game no longer fits in with their publishing strategy.
- Even if they think that game itself would earn some profit, a publisher might decide those same resources spent elsewhere would create an even larger return.
- New leadership at a publisher might never have had faith in the project, or cancels it simply out of a desire to leave their own mark on the company.
Etc. etc.
Cancelling games is cutting your losses, keeping the game in development is actively losing money, plus how much do we genuinely expect a game like Scalebound to sell on Xbox if it was a single player only versus what funds MS already poured into it
Sony_Prophet
Banned
Does the BS ever end with this guy?
Yeah, no. All of those examples have happened, and not rarely happened. "Quality" is not usually the main factor in these decisions.
unknownstranger
Member
Publishers rather make a shitty game that makes a ton of money than a great game that loses money.
Hottake: Xbox will get zero Japanese exclusives for the reminder of it's lifetime.
Greenberg is pandering to the dozens of Xbox fans that want some of the good stuff that's launching on
Ps4 and/or switch. All the games talked about are big obvious multiplat like PES, resident evil, Capcom stuff, from stuff, namco stuff.
Greenberg is pandering to the dozens of Xbox fans that want some of the good stuff that's launching on
Ps4 and/or switch. All the games talked about are big obvious multiplat like PES, resident evil, Capcom stuff, from stuff, namco stuff.
I mean in his defense, he never said they were getting exclusives. Just "more." Just need to see if he means A) "more" as in more than the platform is getting now or B) "More" as in they will still be some games and not zero.
yes they would.
DriftingSpirit
Member
TGS is next month btw.
Samanosuke Akechi
Member
Don't remember but I think it was a member on here cause I remember it was recently I read it. Like this past week.
Ha ha ha ha
No, that's a ridiculous thing to say. "Good" for who?
Canceling the game may have been the "right" thing from a business point of view, but in no way was it "good."
I don't think any official source has confirmed the exact reason(s) "why" it was cancelled.
That said, what you stated a few posts ago would not be surprising IMO.
Yearsoflurking
Member
So what would have made it good 🤔
Can't really think of anything realistic.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Don't be naive, a good game isn't measured by how much it can potentially sell.
By all accounts, Microsoft backing the fuck off and letting Kamiya do his job might have helped.
Mikey Jr.
Member
They always have something ready to go.
Greenberg: "Don't worry, we have lots of games by Afrika Bambaataa and the Zulu Nation coming to the Xbox One Entertainment system made by Microsoft, coming in the future."
Honestly, any question, don't worry, MS has it handled. They are already ahead of you.
Greenberg: "Don't worry, we have lots of games by Afrika Bambaataa and the Zulu Nation coming to the Xbox One Entertainment system made by Microsoft, coming in the future."
Honestly, any question, don't worry, MS has it handled. They are already ahead of you.
Maverick-ick
Member
Isn't this against the rules of neogaf to state rumours like this with no source to backup?
You haven't played the game so who are you to say it was good?
At what point did I say the game was good?
Nightengale
Member
I don't work in games or software business, but I've seen dozens of "profit though" logic thrown out the window for the sake of bigger profit.
Companies look at opportunity cost at very cynical ways. Just because you make money out of something doesn't mean that money is enough.
Maverick-ick
Member
At least we can agree it was a good business decision.
Ms made an error with showing the game to the public. It should have stayed behind closed doors until the game and the project would be final. I think Ms have learned from this and this is why we are not seeing any up coming games that's supposed to be released in 2-3 or even more years ahead. Because of topics like this on gaming forums. It causes negative effect on the brand.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Putting developers at danger is sure good business decision. No wonder Kamiya thanked Yoro for saving Platinum after MS had "good business decision" with them
I never said it was a good business decision. It may have been, I would even say it probably was.
But it still wasn't "good." Far from it, it had very real and very negotiate results on actual people.
Why would you say such a thing is "good"?
Maverick-ick
Member
Games are being cancelled all the time. The problem is that you never hear about it. Have you seen E3 2013, Sonys conference? The problem here is that the game was shown too early and hyped on Ms conference to attract gamers who favours Japanese games.
Platinum didn't make a good job with Scalebound. They wasted many years on the game and with lots of money. That's why you work with a deadline.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Then we agree that it's not good business decesion
Ghost Slayer
Member
They have Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, 2 IP that're loved by JRPG Xbox fans. If they really into Japanese games, they probably should funding for sequels.
You weren't a part of the development process, who are you to say it was Platinum's fault?
Maverick-ick
Member
Who are you to say it wasn't?
I never did.