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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again

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gabbo

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Would it be possible for Coop to use DoppleCoop to create a new Dougie to go back to Jane-E and Sonny-Jim should the opportunity arise? He did ask Mike to make a new seed after all.

I just don't see Coop going back to Vegas. He has so much to do now that he's back.
 

Javier23

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In a season where we have had stuff like this happening, or horrendously autotuned live sung songs that completely ruined them, I don't know why people insist on calling the terrible visual effects great for being intentionally awful, without even knowing if that's the case. Ffs, I've even noticed typos on the credits. I'd sooner nail it on a matter of budget than Lynch wanting to have moving paintings on his show.

That said, I don't mind them and I'm loving the shit out of this season now that I had the time to binge on it. The most surreal thing about it is that it is a fucking third season of Twin Peaks. I can now die happy having seen it.
 
Those Hutch and Chantal scenes were utterly ridiculous and utterly fantastic.

Hearing Audrey's Dance at the Roadhouse. Glorious.

That ending was like something out of Lost.
 
Would it be possible for Coop to use DoppleCoop to create a new Dougie to go back to Jane-E and Sonny-Jim should the opportunity arise? He did ask Mike to make a new seed after all.

I just don't see Coop going back. He has so much to do now that he's back.

Seems practically definitive that this is Cooper's plan. He's making a Dougie to return to Janey-E.
 
I think the Audrey sequence ran rings around it. That to me was the most powerful encapsulation of that lost time and tone matched with that deep unsettling vibe of Twin Peaks at its best.

It was also the least expected thing. (Even though I'd seen the spoiler).

When Coop came back and the music swelled of course I loved it but when that dude said "Audrey's Dance" I actually gasped.

It's like when Kate says to Jack in the LOST finale, "Leave." and it all comes together and you realize everything about the season and there's so much resonance.

The Cooper thing was great but I will never in my life forget the feeling of Audrey's Dance. Like in my fucking soul.

The Audrey scene was great, but I honestly wish Audrey would have been in the season more to build to it. Dougie was with us for so long, that seeing Coop finally emerge just hit me so much harder than anything I expected.
 
Would it be possible for Coop to use DoppleCoop to create a new Dougie to go back to Jane-E and Sonny-Jim should the opportunity arise? He did ask Mike to make a new seed after all.

I just don't see Coop going back. He has so much to do now that he's back.

New Dougie will be made from Cooper's DNA so he'll be a good man. Remember the original Dougie, before Cooper inhabited him, was a debt riddled gambler cheating on his wife with prostitutes, I don't think Mr C will have anything to do with Dougie 2.0
 
Would it be possible for Coop to use DoppleCoop to create a new Dougie to go back to Jane-E and Sonny-Jim should the opportunity arise? He did ask Mike to make a new seed after all.

I just don't see Coop going back. He has so much to do now that he's back.

Yeah, but what if new Dougie ends up turning into a cheating, gambling, shady-ass dude like pre-coop Dougie?
 

Solo

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Would it be possible for Coop to use DoppleCoop to create a new Dougie to go back to Jane-E and Sonny-Jim should the opportunity arise? He did ask Mike to make a new seed after all.

And can I just say, how amazing is Cooper? His first thought after 25 years of cosmic incarceration is the completely sincere, heartfelt, selfless act of getting Mike to prepare another seed/doppelganger of Cooper so that Dougie can be reborn and returned to Janey-E and Sonny Jim so that they can be whole and be a family again. Cooper is just the greatest <3

That's exactly what he's doing. Because he's the best.
 
The Audrey scene was great, but I honestly wish Audrey would have been in the season more to build to it. Dougie was with us for so long, that seeing Coop finally emerge just hit me so much harder than anything I expected.

A lot of it, for me, to be fair, is that I listened to that song for almost a year straight in 1993. It's so perfect and gorgeous and so TWIN FUCKEN PEAKS that hearing it again in this perfect context, with the people making room and then swaying.

Chills is a fucken understatement. It was the most moving experience I've ever had watching television.
 

hughesta

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he won't. Mr C's seed embodied the evil that he was (just look at Richard, another of his seeds.) Dale's will likewise embody his good.

My favorite Coop moment this episode was actually his handshake with Mullens. I've loved his character all season, and seeing Cooper acknowledge his kindness was wonderful :)
 
The visual look of the season is really the only negative I have.

I wish there were more practical effects (like guns firing and some of the gore) or less effects in general. Like when Dougie and Diane went back to being seeds. I think it would have been better if they just cut to Gerard shielding his eyes and then cut back to the chair with the seed just there. Didn't need all that other stuff before.

I wish it was shot on film, too. They could have at least added some film grain.
Personally I love the special effects this season. They are so cheesy and low budget it is awesome. Very Eraserhead-esk. If I wanted modern CGI special effects I can get my fix from the hundreds of other shows on or movies out there right now. Something about it reminds me of older movies when they tried to do special effects and I love it.
 
I don't know why people insist on calling the terrible visual effects great for being intentionally awful, without even knowing if that's the case

Modern digital effects don't look like those red room scenes at any budget. There are youtubers and students doing better "realistic" CGI than that. There are moments of unintentionally bad effects and sloppy edits or mistakes, but the scenes that look almost like handcrafted digital stop-motion have to be intentional. I totally get why a lot of people dislike them though, they're hit and miss for me.
 
Still going back through discussion, missed this:

While we are discussing stuff from the opening scene, has there been any reference to a 430 that I'm forgetting? The Giant says remember that before the stuff about Richard and Linda.

Yup, 4:30 was the scheduled time for Andy to meet with the guy who owns the truck at the bend in the road. He vanishes, doesn't show up for the meeting, and as far as I am aware, is never seen/heard from again in the season.
 

liquidtmd

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I think the Audrey sequence ran rings around it. That to me was the most powerful encapsulation of that lost time and tone matched with that deep unsettling vibe of Twin Peaks at its best.

It was also the least expected thing. (Even though I'd seen the spoiler).

When Coop came back and the music swelled of course I loved it but when that dude said "Audrey's Dance" I actually gasped.

It's like when Kate says to Jack in the LOST finale, "Leave." and it all comes together and you realize everything about the season and there's so much resonance.

The Cooper thing was great but I will never in my life forget the feeling of Audrey's Dance. Like in my fucking soul.

I think I'm with you on this, and I fucking adored Coops return.

Even though I suspected it, it wasn't so much the announcer saying 'now...ITS AUDREYS DANCE' but crucially for me the way the whole audience in a sort of disorder began to move to the side....

At that point there was a slow, uncomfortable pause and dawning as other elements (like contextually this would let James taking centre stage one night make complete sense) and it was just...very, very fundamentally Twin Peaks to me.
 
I think I'm with you on this, and I fucking adored Coops return.

Even though I suspected it, it wasn't so much the announcer saying 'now...ITS AUDREYS DANCE' but crucially for me the way the whole audience in a sort of disorder began to move to the side....

At that point there was a slow, uncomfortable pause and dawning as other elements (like contextually this would let James taking centre stage one night make complete sense) and it was just...very, very fundamentally Twin Peaks to me.

I feel like it's a moment that is so iconic, and so impossible without that 25 year gap, I think it's frankly historic.
 

nachum00

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Personally I love the special effects this season. They are so cheesy and low budget it is awesome. Very Eraserhead-esk. If I wanted modern CGI special effects I can get my fix from the hundreds of other shows on or movies out there right now. Something about it reminds me of older movies when they tried to do special effects and I love it.
Eraserhead has great effects. And I don't want CG effects I want practical, like Eraserhead.

Didn’t expect that link to be my fave moment aswell!
The season 2 finale is still the best episode of TV ever. I love season 3 too but to me so far it's on the lower end of Lynchs work.
 
I wonder if there will be any more of the Cosmic Jesus Laura orb.

God, the next two episodes are going to be mental. Naido and Hulk hand. Cooper heading back to Twin Peaks. Fuuuck.
 

hydruxo

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The only thing about The Return that has really disappointed me is the portrayal of bad cooper. He's just kind of boring. In the original series the lodge-beings like Bob and the doppelgangers we see in the red room had a disturbing mania to them that's missing now. Doppelcoop's creepy smile and jitteriness in the season 2 finale was way more effective than the flat, sociopathy we get from the current depiction.

I think Mr. C is basically conditioned to murder and everything else, so that's why he's stoic. His creepy smile in S2 was because he had just gotten out. We see Mr. C after 25 years of him just doing whatever the hell he wants.

So yeah, I actually think Mr. C has been awesome. A highlight of S3 for me. He even throws in some deadpan humor here and there sometimes.
 

Dalek

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I can't remember the last time I cheered as loud as I did for a TV show.

For all of his wackiness; Lynch can really hit the emotional notes when need be. He's a genius. This was such a cathartic episode.
 

nachum00

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The way this scene set the mood man... and all the black lodge scenes in the finale are just incredible. Every second of it is beautiful, terrifying and iconic.
I expect Episode 18 to be nothing short of a goddamn otherworldly spectacle.
It's so good. FWWM is just as incredible at setting that mood.
 

Easy_D

never left the stone age
Did you all notice how Diane poofing didn't show that rotten apple face that showed up when Dougie was poofed?

The only thing about The Return that has really disappointed me is the portrayal of bad cooper. He's just kind of boring. In the original series the lodge-beings like Bob and the doppelgangers we see in the red room had a disturbing mania to them that's missing now. Doppelcoop's creepy smile and jitteriness in the season 2 finale was way more effective than the flat, sociopathy we get from the current depiction.

Bad Coop seems to become creepier the closer he is in proximity to OG Coop.

Compare how he acts with people who only know him (fairly normal, but stiff) with how he acted towards Gordon (talked slow, was hella sinister and creepy). I imagine he'll be plenty freaky when he comes face to face with Coop


Edit: Regarding the seed thing. Remember Coop gave MIKE some of his hair, so that tulpa will be made from Good Coop. No reason he'd use Doop for that purpose
 

Kaako

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Digested more thoughts on it and still, what a brilliant episode this was. Just lovely.
Will watch again tonight with my cousin. She looks almost exactly like Laura Palmer. *cue music in the air*
 
Digested more thoughts on it and still, what a brilliant episode this was. Just lovely.
Will watch again tonight with my cousin. She looks almost exactly like Laura Palmer. *cue music in the air*

What's her phone number?

Asking for a friend.

He also says "post pics" whatever that means.
 

gabbo

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Digested more thoughts on it and still, what a brilliant episode this was. Just lovely.
Will watch again tonight with my cousin. She looks almost exactly like Laura Palmer. *cue music in the air*
Dark hair and glasses Laura Palmer perhaps?
 

LaneDS

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So what do we think- are all the Roadhouse scenes otherworldly in nature, or was just this one in particular intended to be?
 

Airola

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Oh god...
It's kinda sad how that now always reminds me of how disappointing the portrayal of the Red Room has been in Season 3. That scene has a special sense of concrete otherworldliness and warmth to it, that hasn't yet been in any of the Red Room scenes in season 3.

Maybe this coldness has been intentional in S3, though. We have two episodes left to change the course on that.
 
Oh god...
It's kinda sad how that now always reminds me of how disappointing the portrayal of the Red Room has been in Season 3. That scene has a special sense of concrete otherworldliness and warmth to it, that hasn't yet been in any of the Red Room scenes in season 3.

Maybe this coldness has been intentional in S3, though. We have two episodes left to change the course on that.

I think the photography has a lot to do with it. It's very clean.

That said, the Diane Red Room shot this week was one of the best framed of the series.
 
Thoughts:

Audrey isn't in a coma. But she isn't somewhere real either. Is Billy real? Is the person who talked about seeing Billy in her kitchen real? Is Charlie real (and if not, why does it keep showing his confused reaction to Audrey dancing, as if he too senses something is wrong)?

Coop didn't wake up in Part 15. I say that mainly to be pedantic. Obviously Dougie Coop stuck the fork into the socket and that jumpstarted the process that gave us woke Coop last night, but he was in a coma from that moment on, through the start of Part 16, until he woke up. In part 16.

But I really didn't think what Audrey was experiencing was anything other than literal, and it quite obviously is. Where is she? Is she just in a mental asylum or is she in a place?

How nice to end Part 16 on an actual cliffhanger leading us in to next week.

How amazing is Kyle that all these characters he is playing feel so separate. How it doesn't feel like you are watching the same actor playing a different part, even though logically you know that's what you are doing.

When Coop sat up, before he opened his mouth, you knew. Lodge Coop, Mr C, Dougie, Dougie Coop and woke Coop are all instantly recognizable from the way they move and their expressions before they even say a word.

Kyle really should get the Emmy for this. I know he likely won't, because fuck the Emmys. But he should get it.

How weird that they used the theme over Vegas. How weird hearing Audrey's theme backwards.

How amazing a day Sunday is going to be.

That's enough for now. I need to go eat lunch.

So what do we think- are all the Roadhouse scenes otherworldly in nature, or was just this one in particular intended to be?

The James and Freddie ones can't be, given that they connect into the other storylines.

But last weeks?

And the one where they talk about Billy?

I really don't know anymore.
 
Do the Emmys rely on an actor submitting a single episode? If so I think it's going to be unfair on Kyle, no single episode can encapsulate his full performance/s.

Unless there's an episode with particularly meaty Mr C and Dougie scenes but it's kinda all blurred together so I can't pinpoint one.
 

Joqu

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Oh god...
It's kinda sad how that now always reminds me of how disappointing the portrayal of the Red Room has been in Season 3. That scene has a special sense of concrete otherworldliness and warmth to it, that hasn't yet been in any of the Red Room scenes in season 3.

Maybe this coldness has been intentional in S3, though. We have two episodes left to change the course on that.

This has really bothered me too, especially early on. I still miss that original Red Room feeling. But we've seen plenty of warmth by now, think the Sheriff's department scenes, so at this point I just have to assume the new coldness is a very intentional thing, yeah. It has consistently looked like that this season.

Will it actually become a story point? I doubt it, but it just gives that place a whole other feeling. Maybe it's supposed to express some sort of passage of time. Maybe BOB has been hoarding all of the Garmonbozia. idk. But it's all in the colour grading. I've messed around some with screenshots in photoshop and I could totally get it closer to the old look. It looked rather nice that way.

Though the curtains look a little off too, so there's that.
 

Joqu

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Regarding Kyle deserving absolutely all of the awards for season 3, yes, he absolutely does. But I'm reminded of Laura Dern's performance in Inland Empire and just how little recognition she seemingly got for that. I only watched that film last week, but man, she absolutely killed it there.

Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut6zdE8qWj0

I'm not sure. But I know they didn't give Hannibal a single nomination for anything so they are obviously fucked up.

that about says it all, yeah. It's the Emmys ¯\_(&#12484;)_/¯
 

Hulohot

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Was anyone else annoyed that in the episode where coop finally returns, and with only two episodes left we had to spend at least 3 minutes watching a whole music performance ?
 
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