First we had the claim that the South should not be worth more in delegates than the rest of the states in the primary and now this.
Don't forget that Bernie won liberal bastion states like Idaho, Kansas, Wyoming, Utah, North Dakota.
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First we had the claim that the South should not be worth more in delegates than the rest of the states in the primary and now this.
Don't forget that Bernie won liberal bastion states like Idaho, Kansas, Wyoming, Utah, North Dakota.
googleplex
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And we are just going to conveniently forget how Bernie Campaign hacked and accessed Hillary's campaigns files.
Hierophant
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can you link me a source that shows it is a lie? (actual question, no sarcasm, because this is my source :http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-rucker/can-black-people-trust-hillary_b_9312004.html)
Renegade Frost
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I'm very ridiculous right now, for even engaging with you.
But since you seem thick in the head lets lay out the evidence for you!
Lets psychoanalyze your responses using this sheet we have here http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/depressionhelp/files/2016/11/Unhelpfulthinking.png
First off, you start going off on some tangent about leftists being moderates for changing their views
The issue here is Hillary is a LEFTIST, running a campaign that panders to CENTRISTS. Like Bill Maher. A certified drag ,
Primaries are where you acquiesce your base before you "move to the center" for the General Election. Hillary didnt do a great job of that.
SECONDLY:
Like what the hell man? You go from Zero to 100 In an instant. LOL.
Not only are you applying "All or nothing thinking, you're jumping to conclusions and
Then out of nowhere you decide to accuse me of calling you a Russian shill. Nobody was going there in the first place, but wham you decided to bring the conversation there?
Why?
THIRD: You decide to put words in my mouth based off some wild baseless conclusion that isnt based on any semblance of reality
Your edit removed my statement.
Angelus Errare
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So you're basically suggesting minority voter (especially black voter) disenfranchisement under the guise of white people know what's best...
Sounds familiar.
Hierophant
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citation needed
King Tubby
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Oh no, Sanders tried to win the primary against her. What an impossible hurdle to overcome.
The media basically ignored and dismissed Bernie Sanders during the primary, though. You can't have it both ways.
The media basically ignored and dismissed Bernie Sanders during the primary, though. You can't have it both ways.
People really need to tell me why it is unfair for a lifetime supporter of Democrats who was really liked by all colleagues, getting the most votes in the primary, losing mostly in caucus to an independent runner that only became a Democrat just this one time to run for Presidency.
kitsunelaine
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I'm actually really impressed at the memory editing that went on for Bernie supporters to literally forget the time Bernie's campaign exploited a security leak to steal Hillary's confidential voter information.
I knew you would need some kind of excuse but just denying it ever happened is Trump-level.
I guess we'll never know. It's weird how we know for sure Hillary couldn't withstand scandals lelft and right yet that's still a go to for why Sanders couldn't have won. Who could have done it then if that's your standard?
Renegade Frost
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Hierophant
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no i actually genuinely did not know this lmao, my google searching before posting that turned up no results, can you give me a link to start then?
(Given who the base of Clinton '08/Bernie '16 campaigns were, there's a good chance many of these were the same people!)
A total load of shit
It's a weak word, but that's because it's a catch-all for everything bad. Apparently being "unqualified" was the attack that polled the best over the campaign.
Your GoogleFu could use some work.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.msnb...ders-staffers-breached-clinton-voter-data/amp
I think her main critique of them was mostly "oh, how is that going to get past Congress?" But pointing that out, why even run for President because Hillarys proposals were equally dead in the water with a Republican Congress
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Apparently, a lot won't. But of course Bernie Bros never really existed, so who knows without that pure magic
Fine, so talk to me about how someone working as an employee of the DNC was cheating.
Sanders and Clinton had overlapping but considerably different faults. While the overwhelming majority of Trump voters would have voted just the same if the primaries had gone differently, it's reasonable to suggest that Bernie might have turned out higher margins in Rust Belt states that Hillary's campaign neglected.
Also, Bernie staffers clearly made some wrong and misguided decisions when they took liberties with Clinton campaign materials. Lying about this is shameful and holds us back from achieving the goals Bernie laid out.
Renegade Frost
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Arent the Dems also the people who are busy complaining about the electoral college trying to abolish it?
Whataboutism doesn't fly here if we actually give a shit about winning anything ever again.
They were a caricature on the Internet for quite a while before they became a real thing.
It's somewhat disingenuous to go from 'The Bernie campaign discovered a security leak and reported it, but one aide abused it in the 30 minutes the problem existed and that aide was fired' into 'the Bernie campaign hacked Clinton'
and by disingenuous I mean it's basically lying.
theignoramus
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"It was HER TURN."
It was 'her turn' in 2008, too.
Yep, that's what the voters of the Democratic Party thought.
I was about to say the same thing. It wasn't handled great, but people make it sound like he personally hacked it himself or secretly scheming behind the scenes.
You mean four aides. Not one, four.
It wasn't just one guy being a dick. It was multiple aides. The campaign then said the DNC was being unfair and fundraised off their own aides breaking the rules.
Renegade Frost
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I dont think so. The only thing they share in common is probably race.
I am. Glad you find some humor in it, because I am flabbergasted by you.
In utter disbelief that a human would do such things.
ErasureAcer
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Bernie lost the primaries because the majority of people on the left, like the right, are stupid.
So not only are you going to selectively misstate what I said in order to answer it, but you're going to pretend you don't know the answer either?
Pure and utter intellectual dishonesty.
It's somewhat disingenuous to say "one aide" to mean "the NATIONAL DATA DIRECTOR FOR BERNIE'S CAMPAIGN and his three employees."
And by disingenuous I mean it's complete bullshit and this is yet another example of sheer unwillingness to acknowledge the possibility of wrongdoing on the part of Sanders's campaign.
Sure, they were willed into existence by Peter Pan magic. Delusional and nonsensical
I'm not doing any of that. I quoted you fully. Say what you wanted to say, I'll respond to it.
Renegade Frost
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They had a clear favorite for the race didnt they?
Both campaigns were explicitly based out of the rural "WWC" as their primary demographic base. Clinton '08 was much more similar to Sanders '16 than it was to Clinton '16.
The DNC acted neutral in the race, as they should.
The people who work at the DNC are perfectly free to have their own individual preferences.
So which group do you fall in? Stupid or not?
They had a clear favorite in 2008 as well. What's your point?
Yeah. Both of those things are equally disingenuous. Shame on both of you guys.
BOTH SIDES!!
while the accusation that some of Bernie's proposal were somewhat vague and not too detailed, the idea that they were all pie in the sky, unachievable dreams is insulting
other nations have socialized healthcare and free college; fixing pensions is harder but america could do way better, and private prisons should be done away with anyway
the democrats seem to be adopting single payer as a healthcare policy, so that makes the pony comparison right down imbecile. turns out the democrats are gonna be promising ponies too?
other nations have socialized healthcare and free college; fixing pensions is harder but america could do way better, and private prisons should be done away with anyway
the democrats seem to be adopting single payer as a healthcare policy, so that makes the pony comparison right down imbecile. turns out the democrats are gonna be promising ponies too?
Angelus Errare
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It's amazing how alike Bernie and Clinton fans act.
I can't speak for other Bernie supporters, but I also agree its Bernie's fault he lost the primary even though he was fighting an uphill battle like Obama. Still, if Obama could do it, Bernie could have as well even though the uphill battle should not have existed in the first place for either candidates. Heck even Trump was fighting an uphill battle and he won, so I agree within the system in which we exist (and agree to) Bernie lost fair and square.
Ultimately my point of view is that in every election there is bound to be scandals and fumbles for each candidate, things you can and cannot control. You have to look at your controllable. Both Bernie and Hillary had factors they could and could not control, but the controllables could have led to either of their victories. This is why Clinton needs to own her loss, as do her supporters and stop blaming everyone else.
Renegade Frost
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Bernie didnt start his campaign in the boonies, he started his campaign protesting wall street.
That umbrage didnt start in city hating districts out by the farms, its started within the cities themselves. Cause they're full of gross inequality.
No they were willed into existence by the lefts incessant need to fucking sabotage itself.
Russian propaganda affected people who take everything personally that they end up becoming the caricatures we create.
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