OléGunner;248805884 said:That thing costs £450 ($598!), a fair price for the tech maybe but enough to put off majority of customers.
The UK is a very weak Sony territory. Ms has a pretty strong foothold here as did Nintendo.No surprise here, since this is widely regarded as one of PS4's peak years and the UK is Sony territory.
It's usually out of stock when I've looked in certain retailers.
That's UK, Nintendo's worst in Europe's big 3; and Nintendo has not been actually successful in Europe in general since like forever. What else do you expect really.
Sony said 20% of ps4 buyers are pro consumers. Yes people will wait for a different product.People don't wait 4 years into a generation to buy a 500 half step. The people buying the X are people who are upgrading their Xbox. People joining the generation at this point are the people looking for the lowest cost entry point.
Not enough to make a difference in sales overall I'm sure he means, not literally no one.Sony said 20% of ps4 buyers are pro consumers. Yes people will wait for a different product.
That's UK, Nintendo's worst in Europe's big 3; and Nintendo has not been actually successful in Europe in general since like forever. What else do you expect really.
If Xbox One S demand and performance is 100% unaffected by Xbox One X and Microsoft will have the same ratio as Sony, Xbox would be in a decent sport right now...Sony said 20% of ps4 buyers are pro consumers. Yes people will wait for a different product.
Sony said 20% of ps4 buyers are pro consumers. Yes people will wait for a different product.
8/9 years ago was forever ago? Granted I had barley hit puberty then it can feel like a long time but I wouldn't say it's forever ago.
And they're being quite successful now so hopefully this narrative will end soon. The Wii U wasn't a success anywhere and the 3DS was only huge in Japan, relatively speaking.
20% of your entire inventory is a lot, in what world is 20% Not alot? Btw I'm not saying xbox one x will magically make microsoft number 1 market leader. it's just disingenuous to say it doesn't have an impact on its sales.Like you point out - that's only 20%. The other poster was right - people waiting this long are more concerned about price.
I feel like everyone is denying the SNES was popular in the UK. Yeah the NES didn't take off like it did elsewhere (although I had one and so did a few of my friends) but the SNES was everywhere, had at least four magazines dedicated to it, loads of people had one. I can't find any UK specific numbers to prove or disprove that but it didn't feel like a failure to me.
Even the N64, whilst not as popular as the PSX, was essential kit for any event that involved a bunch of lads in the same room as a TV. The mount of goldeneye I played at the end of school and at uni was ridiculous.
In summary, some people seem to think that the UK has historically been a deadzone for Nintendo, when in fact they were huge for years, only really dropping out of the zeitgeist in the Gamecube and Wii U years.
I don't think the SNES was a failure but I'd be shocked if it sold more than the Mega Drive in the UK.I feel like everyone is denying the SNES was popular in the UK. Yeah the NES didn't take off like it did elsewhere (although I had one and so did a few of my friends) but the SNES was everywhere, had at least four magazines dedicated to it, loads of people had one. I can't find any UK specific numbers to prove or disprove that but it didn't feel like a failure to me.
Even the N64, whilst not as popular as the PSX, was essential kit for any event that involved a bunch of lads in the same room as a TV. The mount of goldeneye I played at the end of school and at uni was ridiculous.
In summary, some people seem to think that the UK has historically been a deadzone for Nintendo, when in fact they were huge for years, only really dropping out of the zeitgeist in the Gamecube and Wii U years.
The UK is a very weak Sony territory. Ms has a pretty strong foothold here as did Nintendo.
I find it very hard to believe that the NES outsold the SNES in the UK, have you got a link to that data?
Pretty much. Outside of the Wii being the Nintendo consoles have routinely got their ads kicked by their competitors. The handhelds got their foothold off the back of Pokemon.What?
PS1: top-selling console
PS2: top-selling console
PS4: top-selling console
That's three gens out of four.
The weakness Sony has is in the handheld market. But Sony dominating three of the last four home consoles gens is "very weak"?
DS and Wii aside, Nintendo have always been comfortably outsold.
To add some context, according to Chart-Track as of Jan 2009:
Nintendo DS 8.8 million
Nintendo Wii 4.9 million
Nintendo 64 1.3 million
Nintendo Entertainment System 1.1 million
Nintendo Super NES 1.05 million
Microsoft Xbox 360 3.2 million
Sony PlayStation Portable 3.2 million
Sony PlayStation 3 1.9 million
Sega Mega Drive 2.1 million
Sega Master System 1.35 million
Can't find any figures for PS1 or PS2 strangely. No GC, DC or Saturn either.
Why not, on a global scale, the NES outsold the SNES as well (62:49mn).
Pretty much. Outside of the Wii being the Nintendo consoles have routinely got their ads kicked by their competitors. The handhelds got their foothold off the back of Pokemon.
Source?To add some context, according to Chart-Track as of Jan 2009:
Nintendo DS 8.8 million
Nintendo Wii 4.9 million
Nintendo 64 1.3 million
Nintendo Entertainment System 1.1 million
Nintendo Super NES 1.05 million
Microsoft Xbox 360 3.2 million
Sony PlayStation Portable 3.2 million
Sony PlayStation 3 1.9 million
Sega Mega Drive 2.1 million
Sega Master System 1.35 million
Source?
I have another LTD for N64 in UK as end of 2001 (bigger).
Why doesn't Nintendo just leave this market if there's not much interest for them there, focus their efforts better somewhere else?
With the Switch no longer being region locked, these people can just buy another country's version of the console/games instead.
No. Wapplew is like that dude who has gone so deep undercover that he can't separate his real and his undercover self.Wapplew is playing everyone like a fiddle.
Pretty much. Outside of the Wii being the Nintendo consoles have routinely got their ads kicked by their competitors. The handhelds got their foothold off the back of Pokemon.
Why doesn't Nintendo just leave this market if there's not much interest for them there, focus their efforts better somewhere else?
With the Switch no longer being region locked, these people can just buy another country's version of the console/games instead.
Pretty much. Outside of the Wii being the Nintendo consoles have routinely got their ads kicked by their competitors. The handhelds got their foothold off the back of Pokemon.
Because the Switch has been selling well enough to have been supply constrained in the country for a while, and they are doing pretty well with software sales as well. If any company should just leave a market, it should be Xbox in Japan, with their whopping 100 units sold per week. And if they are not leaving that market, no one will leave any market.
If you look up the sources in that wiki article you see that N64 is updated as September (?) 1999 that explain why it is lower.
But that is pretty much true for whole European market so you can't really single out UK and say that it has been historically weaker European market for Nintendo.
If you look up the sources in that wiki article you see that N64 is updated as September (?) 1999 that explain why it is lower.
Master System, Mega Drive and SNES are estimates (read: guesses) by Screen Digest which is different than sell-through data collected by Chart-Track.
So not everything is "according to Chart-Track as of Jan 2009" in what you listed.
True but the recent sales of the 3D and even Wii u in countries like France and germany compare much more favourablythan in the UK.But that is pretty much true for whole European market so you can't really single out UK and say that it has been historically weaker European market for Nintendo.
the point is it'a a traditionally a weaker market than Japan U.S. and two of the major European markets currently that have a similar history. Hence the noteYou can literally say that about so many countries I have really lost what sort of point these people are trying to prove:
~ The N64 got comfortably beat by the PS1 in x country
~The GameCube got comfortably beat by the PS2 in x country
~ The Wii U got comfortably beat by the Xbox One/PS4 in x country
~ The main attraction of this particular Nintendo handheld in x country was Pokémon
It's absolutely hilarious to witness on an enthusiast site.
Eurogamer reported PS2 had 10m sales in the UK.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles_by_region
Eurogamer reported PS2 had 10m sales in the UK.
I find it very hard to believe that the NES outsold the SNES in the UK, have you got a link to that data?
Source? ;-)DS: 12.3M (as December 2010)
PS2: 10.0M (as January 2010)
XB360: 9.0M (as June 2015)
Wii: over 8.4 (as June 2013)
PS1: 6.5M (as December 2001)
GB/C: 6.3M (as December 2001, GBC only 1.5M as December 1999)
PS3: 5.9M (as June 2015)
PSP: 3.6M (as January 2010)
N64: 1.5M (as December 2001)
DC: 0.24M (as December 1999)
I'll never understand why folks come into sales threads to complain about sales threads.New console sells more, in the same year, than the console that has 4 years already on the market and a more powerful iteration on the imminent horizon. That is surprising.
I'll never understand this place and the obsession with sales. Can't have fun with the games unless "insert colour here" team has sold the most toys...
In the UK we got shafted hard with SNES. If I recall correctly, games and the console itself were more expensive than the MD. Plus support was poor, so much so the first Final Fantasy game the UK got was FFVII. Plus Nintendo's notorious censorship policies had adverse affects on one of the biggest system sellers at the time, that being Mortal Kombat.
It was because of such censorship that Nintendo gained the association of it being a "kid's brand" that it never really recovered from. I remember being in secondary school at the time, and the playground bants over Mortal Kombat were superb. "Yeah, you got no blood tho". Happy days, even if the SNES version did play and look better.
True but the recent sales of the 3D and even Wii u in countries like France and germany compare much more favourablythan in the UK.
Either way it's one of Nintebdo's weaker markets generally but obviously not alone.
New console sells more, in the same year, than the console that has 4 years already on the market and a more powerful iteration on the imminent horizon. That is surprising.
I'll never understand this place and the obsession with sales. Can't have fun with the games unless "insert colour here" team has sold the most toys...
The UK is a very weak Sony territory. Ms has a pretty strong foothold here as did Nintendo.