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iPhone X | OT | November 3
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I would objectively say "yes" to both of those. That's not to say their products have been perfect.. but there's a difference between "flaw or defect" and "lacking and incomplete"
The 4 antenna bands were clearly missed. The structural support on the 6+ was clearly missed. I think the closest IMHO to lacking or incomplete was the screen assembly on the 4/4S.. I mean they had to alreayd have statistics on screen repairs.. so to make the screen the very first part assembled made that thing horrible to repair (thus expensive)
so I take that back... screen placement on the 4/4S was not well thought out.. thus they corrected it every model after that. aside from that.. most other things can be counted to defects or things missed in testing. aka way less obvious. even the 6+.. I mean we NEVER saw "bend torture tests" before the 6+.. not much reason to address it pre-bendgate..
in this case I don't see the notch as half thought out. They had bezel or notch as their only two choices. both ultimately are aesthetic.. to be perfectly honest.. I am guessing they went with notch because for the first time in years, it makes the phone/brand instantly recognizable from the front, something apple lost out on a long time ago when everyone copied the design.
lol.. right before I posted.
I wouldn't say needlessly different. Apple strives to make their products instantly recognizable and distinguishable just at a glance. they lost that years ago when everyone copied the form factor.. this gives it back to them. like or hate the notch, you'll instantly know it's an X the second the screen comes to life.
NYR
Member
I doubt it. You need to call a business account executive and check but I really doubt it.
I just started a job for a $20 billion company and they gave me the choice between an iPhone 6 and a Galaxy S7 - they said the 6 is the only iPhone option on their business plan at this time. They said it is updated every 6-8 months with new options. Considering the 6 came out in 2015, I doubt Apple will be looking at giving away Xs on business bulk or subsidized discounts.
Lol, apple never going to give micro SD. They want to charge you directly for the storage, not give the money away to Samsung.
The Elite
BOSS
Thanks. They called me a week before the conference asking me if I was interested in making an order and I told them I would wait until after the conference. I imagine they were looking to offload stock. I doubt the X will be part of a package that I can get but I am going to give them a call in the next couple of days.
The iPhone X design was almost certainly set in stone months before the S8 was announced.
Swass
Member
I agree and touch id should have been put on the back.. the screen next to the notch at the top should be permanent black using it only for notifications, clock and signal/status etc.. Apple doesn't seem to know how to handle OLED yet..XS will likely see the return of touch id and the notch gone or apple figuring out OLED.. I'm with you, not jumping in on this half baked device.
Not sure I agree since the phone is coming as late as it is.. thing really feels rushed and unnecessary other than to be a "me too" device.
This would have been 100000000000 times better what the fuck, Apple!? Maybe by next year they can fix that.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
Do people really care about the idea someone can grab their phone and point it at them to unlock it?
Like this is a real concern?
Like this is a real concern?
no chance touchid comes back short of an epic marketing failure related to reliability/security. when has apple ever backpeddled?
as for OLED.. they have it figured out just fine. See above.. clearly their desire was branding.. not "oh man how do we make the cameras work with the screen???" You see one of these turned on, you'll instantly know it's an iphone X. same as touchid. it isn't going to budge next year.
the phone is late because of production slowness.. not development time. It's been said for a month now that their production capacity is around 10K per day. they need time to build up a decent launch stock.
Shadowhelper
Banned
I just think buying an X is bad because of the precedent it sets in tech firms really ripping us off. It's like buying a banana for $100. It's not worth it, and its obscene.
You're throwing money away, that could help someone else. In this respect buying an X is helping to further class divides and the suppression of the common man. This is another step in a potential corporate nightmare, where we don't bat an eye when a phone cost over a £1000 while people on the street are starving.
One could argue any entertainment or luxury product falls into being a tool of oppression, but I disagree. But some goods are worth their value, and some are clearly a preposterous ripoff that can potentially eat away at the fabric of our social consciousness.
There's just something wrong with so many of us so enthusiastic to spend such a large sum on a mere phone. So enthusiastic about letting an almost trillion dollar company to rip you off. Its not right. We should pause and accept we are at terrible crossroad.
You're throwing money away, that could help someone else. In this respect buying an X is helping to further class divides and the suppression of the common man. This is another step in a potential corporate nightmare, where we don't bat an eye when a phone cost over a £1000 while people on the street are starving.
One could argue any entertainment or luxury product falls into being a tool of oppression, but I disagree. But some goods are worth their value, and some are clearly a preposterous ripoff that can potentially eat away at the fabric of our social consciousness.
There's just something wrong with so many of us so enthusiastic to spend such a large sum on a mere phone. So enthusiastic about letting an almost trillion dollar company to rip you off. Its not right. We should pause and accept we are at terrible crossroad.
This has been rumored for months to be down to OLED shortages and manufacturing issues.
It was rumored as far back as last August that Apple planned three iPhones for this year, two regular models and a premium OLED model. Last April there was a report that Apple was looking to make an "all-glass", "iPhone 4-like" iPhone design with an OLED screen for 2017. Surprise, that's what we got - this has been in the works for a long time.
It's not backpedaling because facial recognition isn't a lateral improvement on fingerprint scanning. And they seem to take security pretty seriously so there's little reason to believe that next year's phone won't have both touchID and faceID
Swass
Member
Weren't there rumors apple wanted touch id behind the oled screen and just couldn't get it perfected for the launch of this phone.. if rumors are to be believed, why would you think touch id is gone forever? And how is apple handling oled just fine..? With OLED you only need to light the pixels you want.. could be used for the bar at the top, clock on the screen, notifications being displayed etc.. Motorola knows how to use OLED correctly.. not seeing it with Apple.
it actually is an improvement security-wise. They even said it yesterday.. the random chance goes from 1:50,000 to 1:1,000,000, and as far as constructed fakes (masks and such) it is even more foolproof than touchid (which is well known how to fake, even if not at all practical)
yes, those were the rumors. However if FaceID is ultimately deemed "good enough", there's absolutely no financial incentive for apple to continue on trying to implement TouchID under the screen.
the problem with "only lighting the pixels you use" is burn-in. they can't make a blended black status bar that is showing black 90% of the screen time, and not expect burn-in noticeable when using those areas for other stuff. The notch is there. No take backs. So how best to utilize it. the status bar everyone is suggesting unquestionably would lead to burn-in on the sides of the notch.
badcrumble
Member
I don't think we'll ever see FaceID go away, but I still wouldn't be at all surprised to see it supplemented by TouchID in the future, just as I wouldn't be surprised to see the Apple Watch start using your heartbeat as a form of authentication (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/using-your-heartbeat-password-180961952/ http://openscholarship.wustl.edu/eng_etds/8/ ).
More biometrics is always going to be better for security - if it's totally frictionless for the user, you're basically adding more authentication factors with none of the disadvantages. Take that 1/50,000 and 1/1,000,000 stat Apple was touting and multiply them by each other.
Not to mention: in theory, multiple biometrics could also mean multiple *gradations* of security if you wish (so you could have some ultra-secure stuff requiring every biometric - which, remember, works fine if they're fast and frictionless - and some stuff that only requires one or the other, like a basic screen unlock).
Swass
Member
They say a lot of things to sell their phones.. that doesn't make them accurate. Face ID just seems to be a gimmick to get around the removal of touch id.. but we will see when this is actually in the wild.
What do you think about it? I honestly cant tell if you're leaning on it not being a real concern or that it is.
The first thing I thought about is how much easier it is to point at someones face post mugging than it would be to try and yoink the right fingerprint.
and the superior solution would be a 2 factor approach with both of them.
I haven't seen anything regarding picture in picture for videos, nor about having 2 apps side by side on this larger screen in horizontal view. I hope the iPhone X will inherit from some iPad iOS functions. It is both powerful enough and adapted to a SBS multitask function.
Your Entertainer
Member
Or a decent password if you really care
Some goods are worth their value. Yes, but who decides that? Are you the deciding factor if something is worth the value for everyone else?
Value is subjective. I don't see any value in makeup, a high end sports car, expensive guns, etc. That would be a total waste of my money if I bought those things. Things that I do value, other people wouldn't. PS4 is a prime example. It is a luxury item that nobody really needs.
At the end of the day, most of the money we spend could be given to help someone else. I don't need to live in the house I live in now. I could get by in an apartment or a small condo. I don't need to drive a 2015 Kia Optima, I could get by in a 1990's accord. Needless to say, I don't think the iPhone X will be the fall of mankind and the decline of the world economy.
Hell, the majority of people who will buy the iPhone X likely wouldn't even be able to afford it if it wasn't financed through monthly payments.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
Because its just an absurd idea that someone is going to try and do that. Whats the end goal? To read your texts? If a stranger in the street wants your phone its to try and resell, and unlocking it that way isnt going to let them remove the security lock that prevents them doing that.
The point of locks like that is to stop people you know accessing your phone, not strangers looking to profit.
I feel that Apple over-designed the phone. That notch feels off, and it makes application and game developers have to cater for it.
Getting rid of the home button is bad for user experience. The new "back ot home" gesture is will be accidentally triggered numerous times due to surfing habits of users. Good way to make the phone work against the user.
Getting rid of the home button is bad for user experience. The new "back ot home" gesture is will be accidentally triggered numerous times due to surfing habits of users. Good way to make the phone work against the user.
Glass Shark
Banned
I don't think your reasoning is very sound, but I will admit the one on the right looks better.
Worth noting: No notch viewing gives you black bars while watching regular 16:9 content.
HeartlessNobody213
Member
Not sure if Touch ID will come back or not but if it does I don't think it will be seen as back peddling.
Apple can easily play it off as saying "more security is never a bad thing" and keep it moving.
I was set on getting the X but I'll wait to see what they do next year with the X1 or XS.
I can see ProMotion, maybe bring back Touch ID and improve the notch at the top.
Apple can easily play it off as saying "more security is never a bad thing" and keep it moving.
I was set on getting the X but I'll wait to see what they do next year with the X1 or XS.
I can see ProMotion, maybe bring back Touch ID and improve the notch at the top.
I wanted Pro Motion damn it!
That's pretty silly, but let's entertain the idea.
The phone is now unlocked, and mugger gets away. Then what?
That gets you in the phone.
Anything important past the initial unlock is still protected by passwords such as turning off "Find My iPhone", resetting the device or opening financial apps.
That's pretty silly, but let's entertain the idea.
The phone is now unlocked, and mugger gets away. Then what?
That gets you in the phone.
Anything important past the initial unlock is still protected by passwords such as turning off "Find My iPhone", resetting the device or opening financial apps.
*shrugs* I've been telling people the last 24 hours railing against FaceID if security was a serious issue you could just use a passcode which will autowipe the phone in case of a brute force.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
Theyll cater for it the same way theyve always catered to a status bar.
Ive been using these new gestures on iPad for months. Theyre great and better than using home.
i feel like the fact that even i, who is - for lack of a better term - a "power user" of iOS' full set of features, needs to be explained how to use that gesture is indicative of how much of an unintuitive failure it is
i feel like the fact that even i, who is - for lack of a better term - a "power user" of iOS' full set of features, needs to be explained how to use that gesture is indicative of how much of an unintuitive failure it is
get gud
lol
It's much better than the double tap.
Less stress on my little thumb.
Also this is true. Since it's OLED, the blacks are deeper. So not that big of an issue.
Does anyone know the size of that display? It would no longer be a 5.8" viewing.
it'll give you a black pillarbox (i.e. bars on the side), of course. Just like on the Galaxy S8.
The screen's wider than 16:9. When you play 16:9 video content, the phone essentially looks like an iPhone 7.
You want the content stretched, or some parts of it cut off?
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
The phone isnt a 16:9 aspect ratio. So yeah.
What's the iPhone Plus ratio?
You can swipe the middle section for notifications as well as the left side.
both have a 16:9 screen.
The iPhone X has a taller screen and will have a pillar box when displaying 16:9 content.
It will, however, have a larger picture with smaller black bars (on top and bottom) when displaying 2.35:1 cinematic content
To create the narrative that the iPhone X is in any way shape or form WORSE for content consumption than the iPhone 8 is ridiculous.
It offers exactly the same image size for 16:9 video
and it can display a bigger picture when displaying 'widescreen' content.
I don't have a tablet and watching on the phone tides me over when I travel.
both have a 16:9 screen.
The iPhone X has a taller screen and will have a pillar box when displaying 16:9 content.
It will, however, have a larger picture with smaller black bars (on top and bottom) when displaying 2.35:1 cinematic content
To create the narrative that the iPhone X is in any way shape or form WORSE for content consumption than the iPhone 8 is ridiculous.
It offers exactly the same image size for 16:9 video
and it can display a bigger picture when displaying 'widescreen' content.
But I'm just referring to the Plus model, which I believe is more appropriate for media viewing.
badcrumble
Member
ProMotion and the antireflective screen coating the iPad Pro has are the only real low-hanging fruit left for iPhone display improvements at this point, yeah.
On the camera end, I suppose they can always go for MORE LENSES (maybe one with a monochrome image sensor?).
And feature-wise, there's always bringing back TouchID as a supplement to FaceID.
I predict that at least one of these three bullet points will make it into the 2018 revision of the iPhone X.
King Gilga
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99% of my show watching gets done at the gym on my phone on the bicycle machine.
the plus models have the same aspect ratio as the regular models, which is 16:9
Ever since the iPhone 5, iPhones all had a 16:9 screen, before that it was a 3:2 ratio.
The iPhone X is the first iPhone with a screen wider than that, which does introduce pillarboxing (black bars on the side) for 16:9 content (your average youtube content or the movies you shoot with your phone.
Seeing as the iPhone X has an OLED screen, whatever black bars it shows should be even less intrusive, as OLEDs have rather perfect blacks.
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