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[Draper]

the plus models have the same aspect ratio as the regular models, which is 16:9

Ever since the iPhone 5, iPhones all had a 16:9 screen, before that it was a 3:2 ratio.

The iPhone X is the first iPhone with a screen wider than that, which does introduce pillarboxing (black bars on the side) for 16:9 content (your average youtube content or the movies you shoot with your phone.

Subsequently it's a smaller image than what you get on the Plus, right?

 

[RDreamer]

So... are they going to actually do an iPhone 9 next year? Or any year for that matter? Because that's going to be really strange.

 

[Draper]

So... are they going to actually do an iPhone 9 next year? Or any year for that matter? Because that's going to be really strange.

Probably an X1 and an X1 Plus

 

[chrizzz09]

Subsequently it's a smaller image than what you get on the Plus, right?

Nope, pillar boxed it's going to be exactly at 5.5" like the Plus model.

 

[dallow_bg]

So... are they going to actually do an iPhone 9 next year? Or any year for that matter? Because that's going to be really strange.

They'll probably drop numbers for a bit.

 

[Draper]

Nope, pillar boxed it's going to be exactly at 5.5" like the Plus model.

But the phone has a slimmer screen- how is that possible?

Man, I'm more confused than I should be with all this.

 

[sneas78]

I just think buying an X is bad because of the precedent it sets in tech firms really ripping us off. It's like buying a banana for $100. It's not worth it, and its obscene.

You're throwing money away, that could help someone else. In this respect buying an X is helping to further class divides and the suppression of the common man. This is another step in a potential corporate nightmare, where we don't bat an eye when a phone cost over a £1000 while people on the street are starving.

One could argue any entertainment or luxury product falls into being a tool of oppression, but I disagree. But some goods are worth their value, and some are clearly a preposterous ripoff that can potentially eat away at the fabric of our social consciousness.

There's just something wrong with so many of us so enthusiastic to spend such a large sum on a mere phone. So enthusiastic about letting an almost trillion dollar company to rip you off. Its not right. We should pause and accept we are at terrible crossroad.

This. Also I'm not paying $499 for a console.

 

[Fliesen]

Subsequently it's a smaller image than what you get on the Plus, right?

If you only wanna compare an iPhone X and the iPhone 8plus. Yeah, the plus will display 16:9 content at an ever so slightly larger size (as it'll have, when viewed in landscape) a slightly taller screen.

When viewing 2.35:1 cinematic content, both should be more or less equal with regards to the absolute image size. Though the black bars displayed by the X are going to be blacker and thereby maybe less distracting.

Also, you're carrying a huge ass phone for that tiny bit of extra image size when watching 16:9 content

Nope, pillar boxed it's going to be exactly at 5.5" like the Plus model.

i don't think this is the case

here's the iPhone 6/7/8plus screen put on top of an iPhone X, it's ever so slightly taller (when in landscape)

 

[RDreamer]

Probably an X1 and an X1 Plus

But they're calling this "10" and not "X"

So would that be "10-1" lol

 

[The Elite]

But they're calling this "10" and not "X"

So would that be "10-1" lol

Final Fantasy ruined Roman Numerals.

 

[dallow_bg]

But they're calling this "10" and not "X"

So would that be "10-1" lol

We SquareEnix now.

 

[vio]

Virtual bezels lol. Also fuck 18:9 ratio.

 

[Draper]

But they're calling this "10" and not "X"

So would that be "10-1" lol

Damn it

 

[Fliesen]

Virtual bezels lol. Also fuck 18:9 ratio.

well, apart from making a ridiculously tall phone, there's nothing they can do about that

all i'm arguing for is the fact that there is no downside to the iPhone X with regards to video consumption.
People were assuming it defaulted to having the notch eating into your image.

 

[Tunavi]

Huge apple fan here but the X is too expensive and does not have touch ID. Will not buy for these two reasons alone.

I would probably consider a 128 GB X with touch ID for 999

 

[Flo_Evans]

both have a 16:9 screen.

The iPhone X has a taller screen and will have a pillar box when displaying 16:9 content.
It will, however, have a larger picture with smaller black bars (on top and bottom) when displaying 2.35:1 cinematic content

To create the narrative that the iPhone X is in any way shape or form WORSE for content consumption than the iPhone 8 is ridiculous.
It offers exactly the same image size for 16:9 video
and it can display a bigger picture when displaying 'widescreen' content.

anyone know the actual ratio? ... guess I can figure it out myself -

/maths

ugh its like 2.165:1

 

[chrizzz09]

i don't think this is the case

here's the iPhone 6/7/8plus screen put on top of an iPhone X, it's ever so slightly taller (when in landscape)

You're right! I guess the reviewer who said that only had the impression based on eye keyeing the Plus model briefly.

 

[RDreamer]

In all seriousness, though, my biggest worry about the X is that it's going to mean some really weird changes and choices for the UI going forward with iOS for those without the X. I really hope the next update doesn't feel really strange on 6, 7 or even 8s.

 

[Fliesen]

You're right! I guess the reviewer who said that only had the impression based on eye keyeing the Plus model briefly.

i'd still consider this to be virtually identical, and to me it wouldn't justify the extra size of the device just to watch youtube videos and tv shows at an ever so slightly bigger size

 

[Blackhead]

it'll give you a black pillarbox (i.e. bars on the side), of course. Just like on the Galaxy S8.

The screen's wider than 16:9. When you play 16:9 video content, the phone essentially looks like an iPhone 7.


You want the content stretched, or some parts of it cut off?

both have a 16:9 screen.

The iPhone X has a taller screen and will have a pillar box when displaying 16:9 content.
It will, however, have a larger picture with smaller black bars (on top and bottom) when displaying 2.35:1 cinematic content

To create the narrative that the iPhone X is in any way shape or form WORSE for content consumption than the iPhone 8 is ridiculous.
It offers exactly the same image size for 16:9 video
and it can display a bigger picture when displaying 'widescreen' content.

Virtual bezels lol. Also fuck 18:9 ratio.

those top and bottom bezels, in addition to the side bezels, looks really bad for cinematic content

 

[Fliesen]

In all seriousness, though, my biggest worry about the X is that it's going to mean some really weird changes and choices for the UI going forward with iOS for those without the X. I really hope the next update doesn't feel really strange on 6, 7 or even 8s.

It's already strange, seeing as the X and the 'regular' phones have different lock screens.
There's no visible "swipe left to camera, swipe right for notifications" on the X, but rather a camera and a flashlight button. :/

 

[mrklaw]

In all seriousness, though, my biggest worry about the X is that it's going to mean some really weird changes and choices for the UI going forward with iOS for those without the X. I really hope the next update doesn't feel really strange on 6, 7 or even 8s.

They also need to consider the iPad. Are all iPads going to be like the pro and have swipe up to bring up the dock, and full swipe up to go to the multitasking screen? That could be a bit confusing for people with iPad and iPhone X

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

those top and bottom bezels, in addition to the side bezels, looks really bad for cinematic content

I’d suggest not watching movies on your phone.

 

[Fliesen]

I'd suggest not watching movies on your phone.

$1000+ phone

Don't use it for its basic functionality

also, that's an unsolveable problem, unless you make a really slim yet tall phone.

And even then, you'll have super wide pillar box bars when viewing 16:9 content - i.e. youtube - something WAY more people will be using their phones for.

If you make it 'better' for movie watching, you make it WORSE for watching TV shows and youtube.
You do understand that, right?

The iPhone X is by far the best iPhone to be watching movies on, because it handles the widescreen resolution way better than any iPhone before it.

 

[Draper]

I’d suggest not watching movies on your phone.

$1000+ phone

Don't use it for its basic functionality

 

[OmegaFax]

The extra screen near the earpiece reminds me of Apple's inclusion of the Touch Bar on higher end MacBook Pros. I really wonder about the utility of having such a thing.

 

[RDreamer]

It's already strange, seeing as the X and the 'regular' phones have different lock screens.
There's no visible "swipe left to camera, swipe right for notifications" on the X, but rather a camera and a flashlight button. :/

They also need to consider the iPad. Are all iPads going to be like the pro and have swipe up to bring up the dock, and full swipe up to go to the multitasking screen? That could be a bit confusing for people with iPad and iPhone X

Right. I just hope the old phones (and new with the 8) and iPads aren't compromised by choices they have to make going forward. They already just made the swap to the UI knowing you'd have touch ID like last iOS. Now they basically have to scrap that knowledge altogether because some won't even have it obviously.

I kind of feel like iOS was at a weird mishmash point where they really should go back to the drawing board and rethink everything from the ground up and so throwing more junk in there for their UI designers to have to try and think of just doesn't reassure me.

It'll be especially strange if/when they go back to TouchID being possible on these devices.

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

$1000+ phone

Don't use it for its basic functionality

I don’t really get how it’s basic functionality is watching a video at an aspect ratio different to the phone and then being confused it needs to be letterboxed or bordered.

 

[Kyoufu]

I've never watched a movie on my phone and I never will tbh.

 

[The Elite]

$1000+ phone

Don't use it for its basic functionality

As a phone?

 

[a916]

I'm definitely copping an iPhone X, this 6 is on it's last legs... I'm not in love with the notch, in fact in most scenarios I hate it.

I'm in full agreement that Jobs would never have okay'd this. That notch is ugly... he would've pushed him away from having that... not sure how but he would've. Like how do you... can you have a display that's see through from one side so the camera and sensors are under the screen?

 

[Ashhong]

both have a 16:9 screen.

The iPhone X has a taller screen and will have a pillar box when displaying 16:9 content.
It will, however, have a larger picture with smaller black bars (on top and bottom) when displaying 2.35:1 cinematic content

To create the narrative that the iPhone X is in any way shape or form WORSE for content consumption than the iPhone 8 is ridiculous.
It offers exactly the same image size for 16:9 video
and it can display a bigger picture when displaying 'widescreen' content.

The zoomed out content has space to be larger if the video wasn't "centered" in the screen..

 

[usctrojan]

Because it’s just an absurd idea that someone is going to try and do that. What’s the end goal? To read your texts? If a stranger in the street wants your phone it’s to try and resell, and unlocking it that way isn’t going to let them remove the security lock that prevents them doing that.

The point of locks like that is to stop people you know accessing your phone, not strangers looking to profit.

Got it. Yea, makes sense dawg.

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

I'm definitely copping an iPhone X, this 6 is on it's last legs... I'm not in love with the notch, in fact in most scenarios I hate it.

I'm in full agreement that Jobs would never have okay'd this. That notch is ugly... he would've pushed him away from having that... not sure how but he would've. Like how do you... can you have a display that's see through from one side so the camera and sensors are under the screen?

Jobs okay’d a ton of stupid, goofy shit. The idea massive black plastic around the screen is Jobs approved but a small notch at the top is too much is just so silly.

 

[Draper]

As a phone?

Are we pretending these things are just phones now?

 

[Red]

On iUP, do I still need to make a down payment when trading in a phone? When I signed up I paid $250 or something to begin the plan. Does that happen with a trade in as well? If I can switch to an 8 plus and keep the same monthly cost I don't see why I shouldn't upgrade. If I have to make the down payment I'll probably skip this year and pay off the 7 plus.

 

[Aurongel]

You know what's bad for cinematic content?

Watching it on a minuscule smartphone.

 

[The Elite]

Are we pretending these things are just phones now?

We're talking about basic functionality.

 

[ElNino]

I've never watched a movie on my phone and I never will tbh.

Okay, but there many people who do everyday during their commute to/from work.

Not saying that the aspect ration of the X will hamper that as borders are perfectly acceptable I think, but to suggest that you shouldn't watch a movie on your phone is absurd.

We're talking about basic functionality.

To be fair. Basic functionality of a smart phone today includes many things other than just being a "phone". Consuming media is certainly very high on the list basic functionality of a modern phone.

 

[Blackhead]

I've never watched a movie on my phone and I never will tbh.

You know what's bad for cinematic content?

Watching it on a minuscule smartphone.

you've never watched a cinematic trailer or clips from a film on your phone? ok....

 

[BlastProcessing]

All their product iterations had multi year development processes. You telling me none of their products felt lacking or half thought out?

My point wasn't that Apple has never made a product that was lacking. Only that with the scale and lead times that they work with, they didn't pull some emergency ripcord to ship the 8 when it became obvious that the X couldn.t be their only new phone.

Yes, with the multi-year development clock starting at the introduction of the 6. So they had 3 years instead of 2. Do you think Steve Jobs would have let the same exact model phone come out year over year?

There are few arguments I find less fruitful than debating what a dead person would or wouldn't have done. First, Jobs made plenty of mistakes, he wasn't perfect so what he would have done isn't even a slam dunk. Second there is no way to know what he would have done. Third, the people that he entrusted to run the company are still running the company.

We can talk about the merits of what Apple has done here without resorting to chasing ghosts.

 

[Fliesen]

To illustrate the point as to what happens (to youtube and TV show consumption) when Apple were to design the iPhone Screen to fit 2.35:1 content at full height, centered and without the notch "nibbling" parts of the picture

you've never watched a cinematic trailer or clips from a film on your phone? ok....

sure, but i doubt ANYONE consumes more content in cinematic aspect ratio than in 16:9 ratio.

 

[The Elite]

Okay, but there many people who do everyday during their commute to/from work.

Not saying that the aspect ration of the X will hamper that as borders are perfectly acceptable I think, but to suggest that you shouldn't watch a movie on your phone is absurd.

Feature films are designed to be watched on a large format screen. They are meant to be immersive and engrossing. You just don't get that experience on a phone.

I can get watching a sitcom or something off TV but I wouldn't even watch something like Game of Thrones or American Gods.

To be fair. Basic functionality of a smart phone today includes many things other than just being a "phone". Consuming media is certainly very high on the list basic functionality of a modern phone.

Sure. There is no smart phone released that is able to replicate a cinematic experience as part of its basic functionality.

 

[Ashhong]

Does anybody zoom in on videos on their current iPhone so that the sides get trimmed? I sure dont, which means I already watch with bars on the video. It's not much different on the X

How does the Galaxy 8 handle videos?

 

[badcrumble]

Will watch stuff with the notch and deal with it, but I can't help but feel that Apple should've kept the above-the-notch stuff permanently blacked out (with battery/clock indicators) instead of "embraced." Video's a good example of this.

 

[dallow_bg]

Does anybody zoom in on videos on their current iPhone so that the sides get trimmed? I sure dont, which means I already watch with bars on the video. It's not much different on the X

How does the Galaxy 8 handle videos?

Hell no.
This whole convo is silly to me. You guys really cropping the picture when watching video?

 

[Ashhong]

Will watch stuff with the notch and deal with it, but I can't help but feel that Apple should've kept the above-the-notch stuff permanently blacked out (with battery/clock indicators) instead of "embraced."

This I agree with.

But for apps, that's basically what is happening. Developers are told not to use the ears as part of functionality, and just provide it colors. Hopefully developers like Netflix can do that.

 

[Fliesen]

Does anybody zoom in on videos on their current iPhone so that the sides get trimmed? I sure dont, which means I already watch with bars on the video. It's not much different on the X

How does the Galaxy 8 handle videos?

i think the screen's taller without even having a notch. I'm not a fan of the screen wrapping around the sides as it'll generate glare.

I actually consider the screen of the S8, while very pretty, to be incredibly detrimental to content consumption.

 

[jimmypython]

I am convinced that the only reason Apple didn't design the iPhone X like this was to not look like Samsung's phone. Apple has a bad habit of designing to be needlessly different at times.

man the right side one looks so good.

 

[Blackhead]

To illustrate the point as to what happens (to youtube and TV show consumption) when Apple were to design the iPhone Screen to fit 2.35:1 content at full height, centered and without the notch "nibbling" parts of the picture

sure, but i doubt ANYONE consumes more content in cinematic aspect ratio than in 16:9 ratio.

not seeing what the problem is there with the taller iphone and youtube content; you just showed bigger side bars? so what?