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The first 30 fps Metroid [HELPFUL MOD EDIT] is not Samus Returns
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FlaygletheBagel
Banned
60 fps is a big deal to me when it comes to the feel of the game, but it's sure as hell not going to stop me from buying the first 2D Metroid in 15 years.
Also, people are primed to be shook and give hot takes at the drop of a hat.
God forbid you miss an Energy tank because of that faction of a fraction of a second of delay because of that imput latency.
At least we agree on the bolded part.
God forbid you miss an Energy tank because of that faction of a fraction of a second of delay because of that imput latency.
At least we agree on the bolded part.
No, it just comes off as petty and whiny. It's a sidescroller, and not really about twitch reactions. Even then, a steady 30 is good enough for anything that the game would throw at you. It would make sense if the game was fluctuating a lot, but if it's solid, I can't sympathize with this complaint.
No one is saying that.
It's just a dumb reason to not buy the game, especially a game we have been clamoring so long for.
ITT Nintendo Defense Force = Rational People
Lights and Waves
Member
Y'all will really find a way to bitch about everything. The game has outstanding reviews and this is stopping you from playing it? Bye.
Before we get into some ridiculous revisionist history, 60 fps has never been a core element of the Metroid franchise.
No one was talking about the fact Metroid Prime ran at 60 fps when it came out, and no one would have batted an eye if it was 30.
mullet2000
Member
Not sure I agree with that. I remember a lot of comments specifically about how smooth it ran alongside how great it looked.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Don't label people with a different opinion to yours as a defense force. Some of us just don't think being 30fps decreases the quality of the game.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
try the games you play at 144fps w/ vsync off and gsync and say again that is the same thing that 30fps w/ vsync
Waylon Drums
Member
I'm so beyond tired of this argument. Just try to have fun, geez.
belteshazzar
Member
Hahaha, exactly my thoughts
Diprosalic
Banned
I'm a big 60fps fan and it didn't bother me that much in SR.
Now Mario&Rabbids is where it really bothers me. Seeing that beautiful world stuttering is heartbreaking.
Now Mario&Rabbids is where it really bothers me. Seeing that beautiful world stuttering is heartbreaking.
This is wrong on so many levels and the games would have been much worse if they ran at 30. Its part of the reason as to why Federation Force feels like ass to play.
Okay that's great for those who dont care but many do. There is simply no denying the fact that if the game ran at 60 it would increase the quality of the game.
Barrel Cannon
Member
This is the downside of going to a 3D engine. We'll see if the frame rate bothers me or not when I get to play the game. Thankfully my brain doesn't mind 30fps and thankfully I don't get overly emotional and deny myself of gaming experiences if I can't play on the highest settings possible. I'd definitely have missed tons of great games growing up if that were the case.
Thaedolus
Gold Member
Uhh I reviewed it when it came out and 60 FPS was certainly something I brought up considering Halo was big at the time and had massive frame rate issues. That being said, I don't give a shit for Samus Returns
I'm passing on the game because it's on the 3DS at this point. Can't stand anything about that system. Would buy for literally any other current platform though.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It definitely was a graphics showcase for the Gamecube and was recognized for that fact.
But no one was talking how relieved they were it wasn't only 30 fps.
Is this review online? I have no doubt you praised the smoothness of the graphics, but I would be shocked if you expressed relief at Metroid being 60fps.
Prevolition
Member
Shoulda been on Switch 
Gai Murakumo
Member
Some people just need to complain about something I suppose. I see this as a non issue. I am just glad another official 2D Metroid even exists.
Y'all realize there's only like one post in this whole thread that mentions passing on the game because of the framerate, right?
There's more posts claiming people are whining or complaining too much than there are people actually whining and complaining.
Not really. If you're someone who loved the feel of Zero Mission and Fusion, I could understand this being a deal breaker.
Peterthumpa
Member
So much all of this. OP, if you're not having FUN, maybe just sell the damn game while it's hot, recoup your costs and spend your money in something else. No point in forcing yourself to go through the damn thing if you're not pleased with how it feels.
Now, having said that, this would be extremely stupid, in my honest opinion.
TheMoon
Member
When the game is still as responsive as ever, it's a silly nitpick that makes people run the other way for no other reason than seeing a number having been trained to panic.
Yup. The game is real smooth.
Yep, people genuinely concerned upon learning that a game is 30 fps, regardless of genre, need to take a chill pill.
Sidescrollers benefit noticeably from a high frame rate, and performance is more deterministic and easier to control in a single player game lol.
Technically, that's not really possible. And why does it have to be a silly nitpick just because you don't feel the same way? I was disappointed by the ratchet and clank remake and I'm disappointed by this. I might still buy it, but I'm not happy about it.
Peterthumpa
Member
You can't just make that a "rule" and fit every.single.2D.sidescroller in existence inside it.
Oh wait, you can. Well, your loss.
Shoulda been on Switch
For real, this is a legit thought I've been having, and wondering why it was not planned for both, even a simple port with higher fps and it would be ready to go.
Ignoring this fabrication for a moment, my point was not to say that 60fps is absolutely necessary for a good Metroid experience, my point is that there is a Nintendo defense force that is compelled to shit on anyone criticizing Nintendo even when the criticism is legitimate. To the point that we've had folks talking about how Metroid fans are garbage, or don't deserve Nintendo's attention, because they criticized this game or Federation Force.
The fact that you decided to attempt this post with either a lack of knowledge on the commentary surrounding Metroid Prime at the time of release, or with the intent to just outright lie, is exactly the problem.
lol, thank you! I feel that way sometimes too. It's Metroid, it's fun!
Side scroller as are the games which usually benefit most from 60fps.
ZiggyPalffyLA
Member
TBH I don't really care. I enjoy the games I play the way they are now. Fun counts a lot more to me than FPS count.
dantevsninjas
Member
People are capable of being both excited about SR, and bummed that it's not 60fps. Hell, if I had my way, every game would target 60fps, because it's a better experience. Just because it doesn't matter to you, or you're able to overlook it, doesn't mean you have to be a dick to everyone it does matter to.
Make what a rule? I meant in general, not every single game. Sidescrollers benefit because the entirety of movement is visible going across the screen. In a 3D game the extent of movement is not necessarily as visible because it may be going towards or from the camera. Obviously, the impact of the frame rate still mostly depends on how fast things actually move across the screen, but most of the time it's pretty noticeable in a 2D game.
mullet2000
Member
Imagine having this reaction to someone pointing out that they don't enjoy something about a game.
I really don't get why some people get so upset and defensive when someone points out that they're disappointed by a low framerate. OP is struggling with it, asked if others are too. That's it.
Jacethemindtaker
Neo Member
I'm finding the game super twitchy - I think that's due to the circle pad rather than using the dpad. I'm finding it a bit dull to be honest - played about 2 hours down to the third level. I'm sure it gets more interesting but I don't really have any interest in continuing at the moment.
When people bring up that NES games were 60fps, remember that "60fps" NES games became slideshows when any moderate amount of action was going on on the screen (and unlike modern games where it's just less frames, it actually slowed the whole game down).
25 vs 24 frames is definitely not "exactly" the same. NTSC conversions used 3:2 pulldown, but PAL conversions just sped the movie up (a 5% difference in speed). I'd take duplicate frames over a sped up movie.
25 vs 24 frames is definitely not "exactly" the same. NTSC conversions used 3:2 pulldown, but PAL conversions just sped the movie up (a 5% difference in speed). I'd take duplicate frames over a sped up movie.
You kind of lose points for saying 'Nintendo defense force' tbh. It's a stupid generalization. I don't care that much for Nintendo these days.
That might be true, but I've never noticed, honestly. And as a kid, I would have played Super Metroid and loved it even if it was 20fps. Even with the floaty jump (lol).
I mean, the feel of a game is more than just framerate. Are the controls good? Is there a lot of input delay? Does the character control sluggishly? If the controls are designed well, and the fps is a solid 30, it presents no hindrance to gameplay (imo of course).
Yep, and some of the most beloved games on 3DS (and other systems) are 30fps... less in some cases. At the end of the day, people can and will complain about framerate. If everything was a locked 60fps on console, you'd have PCMRs saying that's crap and they should be playing everything at HFR or GTFO, and the cycle continues. Play what you want and focus on enjoyment. They're GAMES. I often see how 30fps actually equates to a "bad/literally unplayable game" to some folks... that's a bit sad to me, and I say this as someone who has a 144Hz G-Sync monitor for my PC games.
When all of the games run at 60fps, it's not something you need to talk about.
I am not a metroid fan, i don't even have a 3ds. it is just that threads like this and the responses get on my last nerve
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