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[Skellig Gra]

They could ... maybe, shoot her in the leg? Back up? Pepper spray? Talk her down? Restrain her?

What do I know, though.

Shoot in the leg is a ridiculous notion. They'd probably end up with the same result. They said the person was unresponsive to communication so the only option is to hit the person with some sort of non-lethal measure. Pepper spray (as you said) or a taser, however we don't know if these particular cops carry any of that stuff.

 

[Kill3r7]

It's justified in this country, but if it was UK , Germany, France, etc he wouldn't be able to goad the police into shooting him so easily with a knife. It's just strange how easy it is.

Correct, we need to train our cops differently to resolve such encounters in nonlethal ways. That said, this is a text book shooting in most places in the US.

 

[The Lamp]

Can't police ... not kill even if the intent was suicide by cop?

Yeah. Couldn't they shoot them in the limb or something? Why shoot to kill?

 

[Impeccable]

They talked, moved back, and called for backup. It wasn't an itchy trigger finger situation.

I read the article.

"Nobody wants to hurt you, man!" [[[ DEAD PERSON ]]]

 

[AkumaNiko]

They could ... maybe, shoot her in the leg? Back up? Pepper spray? Talk her down? Restrain her?

What do I know, though.

police are trained to shoot at the center mass for a higher probability of hitting the target. When you go at a cop with a weapon, its their life or yours.

I read the article.

"Nobody wants to hurt you, man!" [[[ DEAD PERSON ]]]

Im sure "those cops" did not want to hurt them, but see above, its their life or yours

 

[MugiwaraCole]

Can we stop saying suicide by cop likes it's fucking acceptable? What is wrong with you people. Suicide by cop is an American invention, and generally does not need to happen.

They brought him down with a gunshot when a taser or pepper spray would have been more than sufficient.

Suicide by cop. What a disgusting thing that it's even in our vernacular.

I mean, that's what happened. We acknowledge that cops often don't need to actually shoot or kill them. That doesn't make it any less suicide on the deceased's part.

I've often thought about committing suicide by cop. It'd be ridiculously easy (I'm a black man in America). Just because I agree that the cops wouldn't be absolutely forced to kill me doesn't mean my intentions would be any less suicidal.

 

[NeOak]

Proof you didn't understand the post was talking about the use of non-lethal force.

Nice shitpost.

Uh...

Look at the article:



They talked, moved back, and called for backup. It wasn't an itchy trigger finger situation.

You grab a knife out of a highly unstable person's hands without ending up in the emergency room. Go on try it, I'll wait.

QED

Suicide by cop.

But if you wanna go into semantics, ok.

 

[Shiggy]

Sad that this person decided to end his life like that. While suicide is a sad matter by itself, it's always worse when it directly affects others (as in the police officers here, or train drivers in many other cases). For such cases, it would always be best for police to be equipped with non-lethal weapons such as tazers - even if those can be the cause of death too.

Small 21 year old student approaches group of muscular police officers with a knife.

Explain exactly why they had to use a gun? They might get a cut on their arm, or something? Ridiculous police work from America as always.

I don't think this thread/topic is the right place to make such jokes.

 

[*Splinter]

"Why not just shoot the leg?"

Police do some evil shit on the daily in this country. But if there's any situation I'm willing to give benefit of the doubt on, it's one like this. Scout kept advancing, with a knife, ignoring warnings.

The fact that some people are suggesting that Scout is small, thus "the knife couldn't be so dangerous" is telling.

EDIT: OMG, someone said "shoot her in the leg" seriously. That's crazy lmao

"some people"

*1 person

 

[Snkfanatic]

I thought most cops in the US have tasers. Was this not an option here?

 

[tkscz]

Small 21 year old student approaches group of muscular police officers with a knife.

Explain exactly why they had to use a gun? They might get a cut on their arm, or something? Ridiculous police work from America as always.

Yeah... you might want to look up knife attacks on police. Don't if you can't due gore. People really need to stop underestimating people who are really good with knives.

OT: I wonder why this person did this? Was it to make a statement or did they really have something going on i their lives?

 

[Ozigizo]

Look at the article:



They talked, moved back, and called for backup. It wasn't an itchy trigger finger situation.

Did they use tasers? Pepper spray? Anything besides guns?

 

[T.O.P]

Clearly this person was not in their right mind. When you advance on police with a weapon, you get shot.

*

Not much to say

 

[PK Gaming]

Knives are deadly weapons. Surprised so many people think it'll just be a cut. Nah, you can easily, EASILY kill with knives.

No kidding

Not saying I condone the shooting, but knives are definitely pretty lethal. Sad situation all around.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

You grab a knife out of a highly unstable person's hands without ending up in the emergency room. Go on try it, I'll wait.

Don't cops get trained to disarm someone?

Don't they spend all day training to shoot? To hit specific parts of the body?

Don't cops in Europe manage to disarm people by leg or arm shots?

US cops look cometely incompetent and should be replaced ASAP by competent and skilled workers.

 

[Skellig Gra]

I thought most cops in the US have tasers. Was this not an option here?

It's 100% an option. However, we don't know if these particulars cops had them. Could be an equipment issue more than anything.

 

[Ozigizo]

Uh...





QED

Suicide by cop.

But if you wanna go into semantics, ok.

Again, they did not use tasers or pepper spray. Point stands.

 

[Draxal]

Shoot in the leg is a ridiculous notion. They'd probably end up with the same result. They said the person was unresponsive to communication so the only option is to hit the person with some sort of non-lethal measure. Pepper spray (as you said) or a taser, however we don't know if these particular cops carry any of that stuff.

Pepper spray has an effective range of 10 feet, not enough distance for the Tueller Drill. Tasers have an effective range of 15 feet.

edit. Woops, the Tueller Drill is holstered and not drawn, but still gives some us data on this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

 

[Quixzlizx]

They could ... maybe, shoot her in the leg? Back up? Pepper spray? Talk her down? Restrain her?

What do I know, though.

This isn't the movies, where every protagonist is an impeccable sharpshooter. If they're going to shoot, they'll always aim for center mass.

 

[entremet]

I read the article.

"Nobody wants to hurt you, man!" [[[ DEAD PERSON ]]]

Do you think the cops wanted to kill him?

Law enforcement tactics in the US are messed up, I agree. But I'm not going to blame a cop for killing a knife-wielding unstable person that continue charge forward boldly, and not standing down.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

This isn't the movies, where every protagonist is an impeccable sharpshooter. If they're going to shoot, they'll always aim for center mass.

Cops don't get any training?

"You're hired here's a gun go on YouTube to see how to use"

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

This could have been handled better by the police. I don't think the individual had to die.

 

[Tecnniqe]

If you have time to tell a person numerous times to drop a knife you have time to deploy a taser. But this is America, lul who gives a fuck

Spoiler

nobody with power

 

[Chuckie]

Shoot in the leg is a ridiculous notion. They'd probably end up with the same result. They said the person was unresponsive to communication so the only option is to hit the person with some sort of non-lethal measure. Pepper spray (as you said) or a taser, however we don't know if these particular cops carry any of that stuff.

Except they do it in the Netherlands and surprise surprise, the result is not the same. The result is a guy in the hospital with a bullet in the leg.

If you type in 'man met mes' (man with knife) first results are:

Man with knife arrested, man with knife shot by police(in leg), man with knife arrested after warning shots fired etc.

This isn't the movies, where every protagonist is an impeccable sharpshooter. If they're going to shoot, they'll always aim for center mass.

Yet somehow European cops are capable of it.

 

[Mad Max]

This isn't the movies, where every protagonist is an impeccable sharpshooter. If they're going to shoot, they'll always aim for center mass.

This actually happens in places not called america though.

 

[NeOak]

Again, they did not use tasers or pepper spray. Point stands.

Did they even have it?

Also, would you want someone like that clear to you with a knife so you can pepper spray that person... when he/she is at knife range?

Talking all you want, but have you been in this situation? Have you used pepper spray or a taser?

Being an armchair critic is nice.

 

[Quixzlizx]

Cops don't get any training?

"You're hired here's a gun go on YouTube to see how to use"

Yes, they're trained to shoot at the target's center mass, because receiving training doesn't suddenly make every officer a crack shot.

Edit: Is shooting targets in the leg standard training procedure in Europe, or do officers do that on their own initiative? I'm honestly curious about that.

 

[kadotsu]

Hindsight is 20/20 but a tazer might have saved a life here. I hope the university administration provides them in the future. RIP

 

[Skii]

You just have to laugh. So many countries in the world can deal with crazy people wielding weapons without lethal force but the police in America apparently cant. And then you get gaffers defending it with their lives because they cant comprehend that the policing in America is bad.

 

[Vermillion]

"some people"

*1 person

Broadly applied it to Sevenfold's post as well. Probably shouldn't have, but basically anyone downplaying the threat of a knife.

You just have to laugh. So many countries in the world can deal with crazy people wielding weapons without lethal force but the police in America apparently cant. And then you get gaffers defending it with their lives because they cant comprehend that the policing in America is bad.

Okay, everyone here knows policing in America fuckin' sucks. That said, you gotta take other factors into account here. For starters, I don't imagine people try to commit suicide via cop in these other situations. There are guns involved here, heavily. Meaning suicidal folks are going to do riskier shit to get themselves killed.

 

[Massicot]

Shooting for a limb is hard. Really hard. Cops are trained to shoot center mass (unless I've been misled on that.).

But I'm not sure why they couldn't have used a taser.

 

[Quealy]

Typical cops. Could have easily shot the knife out of their hands

 

[Tecnniqe]

Except they do it in the Netherlands and surprise surprise, the result is not the same. The result is a guy in the hospital with a bullet in the leg.

If you type in 'man met mes' (man with knife) first results are:

Man with knife arrested, man with knife shot by police(in leg), man with knife arrested after warning shots fired etc.



Yet somehow European cops are capable of it.

Europe wasting tax dollars on training police forces for more than a week 😂

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

In the UK they would either be talked out of doing anything, tazed, or wrestled to the ground. Even if a firearm team had to respond the guns would never be used.

It's called training. There was no need for anybody to die here.

This. Something police in other countries do that ours seem to fail at is protecting people from themselves. Not just protecting other people or the police officers in the situation.

I feel like these days encounters with police quickly boils down to "follow our orders or die".

 

[Ozigizo]

Did they even have it?


Being an armchair critic is nice.

Yes, they have it.

And FOH with your blue lives shit, trying to say we can't criticize cops.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Except they do it in the Netherlands and surprise surprise, the result is not the same. The result is a guy in the hospital with a bullet in the leg.

If you type in 'man met mes' (man with knife) first results are:

Man with knife arrested, man with knife shot by police(in leg), man with knife arrested after warning shots fired etc.

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Shooting someone in the leg is not a good option. If you can even pull the shot off, you could easily hit them in a spot that could cause them to bleed out. There are also long term health issues from being shot and surviving. The real answer is a non-lethal weapon (taser,rubber bullets, etc)

 

[Mega Man's Electric Sheep]

Bottom line for me is that in many other countries when situations like this happen, they try non-lethal takedown methods first, not shout stop and fill with lead upon non-compliance.

 

[Javier23]

Do explain

Where I come from no situation like this ends up with anyone dead. But if you're happy with the country you live in I don't have much to add.

EDIT: Recent local example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFqAlz_BaC0

This guy in the US wouldn't have lived to tell the story. It's a border control, furthermore. They don't lack the weaponry. Different approaches I guess.

 

[Beartruck]

Don't cops get trained to disarm someone?

Don't they spend all day training to shoot? To hit specific parts of the body?

Don't cops in Europe manage to disarm people by leg or arm shots?

US cops look cometely incompetent and should be replaced ASAP by competent and skilled workers.

Campus police. They spend most of their day arresting drunks, not training to be the next James Bond.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Yes, they're trained to shoot at the target's center mass, because receiving training doesn't suddenly make every officer a crack shot.

http://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/...m-polizisten-feuern-auf-messer-angreifer.html

German police handling a knife attacker.

The article says they tried pepper spray, then batons, then shot him but didn't kill him. And it was a psychologically unstable person.

So German cops are from the movies?

Campus police. They spend most of their day arresting drunks, not training to be the next James Bond.

Oh ok, so campus police is not really "police"? Damn. And they get to use guns.

 

[Nevasleep]

Would have been an ideal situation for a taser. I don't particularly blame the officer, more the system in this case. The police should be trained and equipped to deal with it.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Did they even have it?

Also, would you want someone like that clear to you with a knife so you can pepper spray that person... when he/she is at knife range?

Talking all you want, but have you been in this situation? Have you used pepper spray or a taser?

Being an armchair critic is nice.

How does a cop working at a University not carry around a taser and pepper spray?

 

[NoblesseOblige]

When you advance on police with a weapon, you get shot.

Except in more civilized places where people don't always get shot.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

So now our police force is excused from not having any training to handle a one on one non-lethal takedown of a crazy person with a knife. Can we train police to fight a little bit, is that too much to ask?

 

[Chuckie]

Yes, they're trained to shoot at the target's center mass, because receiving training doesn't suddenly make every officer a crack shot.

It just confirms what everybody in the world already knows. That American police training is a fucking joke.

Those Police Academy movies are actually closer to documentaries than comedies apparently

 

[Beefy]

Suicide by cop shouldn't be a thing. These days cops should know what a person with mental health issues is. I have seen a guy with mental health issues with a machete attack cops in the UK. They didn't just shoot him, they thought of a way to disarm him and get him the help he needs.

 

[entremet]

Did they use tasers? Pepper spray? Anything besides guns?

How do you know any of those would be effective in this situation? How do we know if they even had tasers? And pepper spray doesn't seem like an effective option as seen above.

All I'm saying, it's a tragic situation, but are cops doing drills on suicide by cops? Cops are going to fall back to their level of training. They're not going to exceed it. This is standard training 101.

If suicide by cop becomes more common maybe more police forces will start creating some procedures to deal with them.

But it's rather easy to criticize these cops from afar given a possible deadly encounter.

 

[Piano]

Hmm, you might want to reword this post. I don't think he/she is accepted terminology.

Then again I'm probably not the best judge for this

Writing he/she (or "he or she") then choosing one gender descriptor for the remainder of the paragraph is grammatically correct when gender pronouns are unknown, I believe. It is unrelated to the derogatory term "he-she."

 

[Chuckie]

Shooting someone in the leg is not a good option. If you can even pull the shot off, you could easily hit them in a spot that could cause them to bleed out. There are also long term health issues from being shot and surviving. The real answer is a non-lethal weapon (taser,rubber bullets, etc)

It is a better option than shooting somebody in the fucking chest. Dutch police shoots people in the leg a couple of times a year, and the 'victims' do not die.

 

[Revolutionary]

Obviously, a nonlethal solution would have been preferrable but it seems one wasn't available at the time.

In the UK they would either be talked out of doing anything, tazed, or wrestled to the ground. Even if a firearm team had to respond the guns would never be used.

It's called training. There was no need for anybody to die here.

UK police are trained to tackle unstable suspects wielding knives to the ground? Sounds legit.