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[Dehnus]

No they're on the rise in Russia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-they-look-to-russia/?utm_term=.05618486a1a0

They are on the rise everywhere really.

 

[The Kree]

Is it okay to be against taking mistreatment AND think violence isn't the right move? You can get rid of a lot of issues by punching them. But typically we don't because we believe it's wrong.

Shit, you can't even stop the most powerful Nazis or white supremacists with your fists. There are so few who are willing to show their colors IRL.

For the most part, they gather like roaches on the internet. Politics, etc. And we find a number of ways to put a stop to it. Bans, destroying credibility, etc.

And everyone wants to compare it to Nazi Germany - the internet wasn't around then! You're punching the occasional bold asshole. That doesn't do anything to them - they're connected in so many other ways!

Please suggest an alternative because the state is currently supporting and enabling them and something has to be done until that changes.

 

[sirap]

Is it okay to be against taking mistreatment AND think violence isn't the right move? You can get rid of a lot of issues by punching them. But typically we don't because we believe it's wrong.

We? I'm all for punching Nazis that harass folks in public.

Someone's got to do it. It's not like the cops are doing a damn thing.

 

[xBladeM6x]

It was Russia who defeated Nazi Germany.

If you wanted to cliff notes WWII (western front) in terms of what roles major countries played, it would be this:

US: Production / Supply / RND
UK: Intelligence / Air / Sea
USSR: Men, endless waves of men sent to slaughter.

Without all of those components working together, it's almost a guarantee Hitler would have won.

 

[FiveSix4Three]

Someone's got to do it. It's not like the cops are doing a damn thing.

Even if the cops did do something what does that change?

At the least he gets a slap on the wrist. At most he gets some jail/prison time where he gets to spend time with like-minded individuals who do nothing but reinforce his ideals.

 

[Galang]

I think it's fucked that wearing that isn't a serious crime. There's absolutely absolutely no excuse for it. I don't want this fucker roaming the streets. Good he at least got knocked the fuck out, but he needs to be kept under surveillance

 

[Gattsu25]

LOL come on dude, are you trying to make those who applaud the Puncher here feel bad or something?

We really don't need 40 people to quote the thread-shitter who's disengenuously trying to detail the thread.

 

[Izuna]

Might be the second worst post on GAF I have ever seen. That's really saying something.

 

[BronsonLee]

Slippery slopes are for waterslides, not punching racists

 

[llien]

I fail to see how that is acceptable.
Wearing nazi symbolic should be illegal.
Police should take care of it, not "some other, stronger dudes".

 

[Vermillion]

Please suggest an alternative because the state is currently supporting and enabling them and something has to be done until that changes.

Hitting them where they actually gather, and where it actually hurts. You punch one Nazi and they don't just go into hiding. The video is shared with all of their people online, and they become a martyr. Others start to feel more righteous about their beliefs. Others are convinced, and join the alt-right or whatever. They pass those beliefs on, to their children and the internet.

We? I'm all for punching Nazis that harass folks in public.

Someone's got to do it. It's not like the cops are doing a damn thing.

I mean, a number of those cops are in on it themselves. In fact, those officers do way more damage, pound for pound. We're certainly not going to punch them, because that would be stupid.

So many strongholds of bigotry, but it's the people who have the least power getting punched. It's about feelings, not efficacy.

 

[KarneeKarnay]

What if you saw had a choice, to punch a Nazi that would invent the cure for cancer, but doing so would make him forget the cure?

It's bullshit. What's worse is that the sort of hypothetical bullshit being brought up, can only be used to generate sympathy.

"I hate Nazis, but at least their not rapists!" That's the response you want to hear. That rapists are worse than Nazis.

Nazis slaughtered millions. They raped, murdered and tortured on a scale that has not been seen before or since. The number actually hurts us, because when you hear millions you actually don't think about the individuals as much. The faces of the children as they are murdered. The horror and evil exposed to to millions of people for the most arbitrary of reasons imagainable.

A Nazi is not a rapist, a murdered, a pedophile, a torture, a mutilator, a thief, a genocidal mad man...

A Nazi is all of them. A Nazi is worse than a rapist. A Nazi is the evil of Humanity personified. There are few things worse.

The people today who revel in being "Nazis" are not Nazis. They are people with the most basic understanding of what a Nazi is. They are children pretending at being one.

So would I do nothing, defend a woman wearing a Nazi emblem from being raped? Yes. Would I do it in-spite of them being a Nazi. yes. Would I tear off the badge and piss on it afterwards? Abso-fucking-lutley. Because I'm not a shitty human being.

 

[FiveSix4Three]

Police should take care of it, not "some other, stronger dudes".

I disagree. All the judicial system would do, in this case, is sweep it under the rug.

 

[The Last Wizard]

A lot of you guys are so transparent it ain’t even funny.

 

[llien]

I disagree. All the judicial system would do, in this case, is sweep it under the rug.

US is a strange country.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

I fail to see how that is acceptable.
Wearing nazi symbolic should be illegal.
Police should take care of it, not "some other, stronger dudes".

It should be illegal to wear Nazi paraphernalia. However it's not and there is nothing coming up to make it illegal. So the police will do nothing.

 

[Maximus P]

I think it's fucked that wearing that isn't a serious crime. There's absolutely absolutely no excuse for it.

It should be.

The guy deservedly got a punch for his stupidity which was fine in this instance, but there really should be laws in place with harsh consequences so that this kind of thing can be reported to the police rather than this vigilantism that could have easily turned bad if the guy had a weapon or if someone else jumped in to the guys defence.

 

[sphagnum]

I fail to see how that is acceptable.
Wearing nazi symbolic should be illegal.
Police should take care of it, not "some other, stronger dudes".

The police are infested with white supremacists.

 

[Maddness]

What's with all the hypothetical horse shit that people keep bringing? Think about the here and now. Here is a Nazi getting knocked the fuck out. Now he's unconscious.

 

[Netherscourge]

I felt better about the punch that Richard Spencer got than this guy. Why? I think because that was more spontaneous? That one was not organized or premeditated. Some guy saw Spencer giving a TV interview and just walked over and socked him. I had no problem with that one. There were neutral people around that situation, so Spencer thought he was in a comfort zone and some guy knocked him out of it.

This one was calculated. This guy was literally hunted down. This one was disturbing to me because of that. But, then again, this guy was more belligerent. So,maybe vigilante justice was required?

I know it sounds hypocritical. I'm even questioning myself right now.

I was asking the hypotheticals to try to figure out what is right and what is wrong because I don't even know. I was raised to not be violent and this stuff has got my head all messed up.

Sorry if anything came off as out of line.

We all hate Neo-Nazis. No question there.

The violence just makes me uncomfortable.

 

[Monkeyball]

Hypothetical:

What if Nazi guy was a girl and everything else in the video is exactly the same.

She gets surrounded by 3 or 4 guys and one of them punches her out.

Does anyone's opinion of the situation change?

What if Nazi guy was a Nazi bunny???

Checkmate!?

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

I fail to see how that is acceptable.
Wearing nazi symbolic should be illegal.
Police should take care of it, not "some other, stronger dudes".

The police, in this case, is the U.S. police force and they're literally filled and ran by white supremacists. Only thing that Nazi would be getting from the police is a slap of the wrist, maybe not even that.

 

[BronsonLee]

The violence just makes me uncomfortable.

Your fake ass scenarios made me uncomfortable

 

[Izuna]

Hypothetical:

What if Nazi guy was a girl and everything else in the video is exactly the same.

She gets surrounded by 3 or 4 guys and one of them punches her out.

Does anyone's opinion of the situation change?

Tumblr would be celebrating probably.

 

[Beefy]

Some of the posts in this thread are fucking insane

 

[psychowave]

Tumblr would be celebrating probably.

what

 

[Alligatorjandro]

What will you sympathizers say the next time a white supremacist kills someone

 

[Netherscourge]

Your fake ass scenarios made me uncomfortable

Maybe we all need to be uncomfortable once in a while, as a way to check ourselves?

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

What will you sympathizers say the next time a white supremacist kills someone

"He had mental issues."

 

[Messofanego]

Yo, who made this? Can see a lot of use for it.

 

[ZeoVGM]

That Netherscourge post is one of the most embarrassing things I've seen on the internet in a long time.

And I use Twitter.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

I'm not gonna quote it but LMAO at that one post

 

[Riptor]

Why are people all up on the "violence is always wrong" tip? It's not, especially against Nazis.

Its an opinion. What you see in the video is probably not the end of this story... This incident will only fuel the hate of this asshole. Next time he might not be wearing an armband but a knife or a gun instead and at some point an inocent person will be hurt.
Violence always leads to more violence. If you punch an asshole you only make a bigger asshole out of him.

The real problem here is of political nature. Nobody should be able to walk arround with such an armband. Hate speech is not free speech. There need to be laws in place to deal with such individuals.

I absolutely understand why people like the video. It's satisfying to watch. But please stop attacking people who speak up against violence. It doesn't mean they support nazis.

 

[The Kree]

Hitting them where they actually gather, and where it actually hurts. You punch one Nazi and they don't just go into hiding. The video is shared with all of their people online, and they become a martyr. Others start to feel more righteous about their beliefs. Others are convinced, and join the alt-right or whatever. They pass those beliefs on, to their children and the internet.



I mean, a number of those cops are in on it themselves. In fact, those officers do way more damage, pound for pound. We're certainly not going to punch them, because that would be stupid.

So many strongholds of bigotry, but it's the people who have the least power getting punched. It's about feelings, not efficacy.

Or their people start to think twice before going outside and maybe they even reconsider their stances altogether. Lets go for that one.

But yeah, we definitely should smack the shit out of them in groups, too.

 

[Beefy]

Maybe we all need to be uncomfortable once in a while, as a way to check ourselves?

Maybe we all need to not make up shit what if posts.

 

[KarneeKarnay]

What will you sympathizers say the next time a white supremacist kills someone

You already had this with the death of a woman protesting a White Supremacist march earlier this year. Shit along the lines of...

"The portestors were antagonising the driver."

"The protesters were the violent ones."

"They stood in the way of a car."

There was a video showing the driver choose not to turn away, not surrounded at all, in fact, speed up to hit the protesters.

 

[The Kree]

Maybe we all need to be uncomfortable once in a while, as a way to check ourselves?

I'm already super duper uncomfortable with neo Nazis walking around.

 

[Onemic]

I felt better about the punch that Richard Spencer got than this guy. Why? I think because that was more spontaneous? That one was not organized or premeditated. Some guy saw Spencer giving a TV interview and just walked over and socked him. I had no problem with that one. There were neutral people around that situation, so Spencer thought he was in a comfort zone and some guy knocked him out of it.

This one was calculated. This guy was literally hunted down. This one was disturbing to me because of that. But, then again, this guy was more belligerent. So,maybe vigilante justice was required?

I know it sounds hypocritical. I'm even questioning myself right now.

I was asking the hypotheticals to try to figure out what is right and what is wrong because I don't even know. I was raised to not be violent and this stuff has got my head all messed up.

Sorry if anything came off as out of line.

We all hate Neo-Nazis. No question there.

The violence just makes me uncomfortable.

He was punched by the same guy he was harassing tho.

 

[Don'tBeWeird]

The violence just makes me uncomfortable.

Here's a hypothetical scenario for you.

If you had a button which allowed you to kill every ISIS member on the planet instantly, would you push it?

 

[Mr_Moogle]

If you wanted to cliff notes WWII (western front) in terms of what roles major countries played, it would be this:

US: Production / Supply / RND
UK: Intelligence / Air / Sea
USSR: Men, endless waves of men sent to slaughter.

Without all of those components working together, it's almost a guarantee Hitler would have won.

This is an incredibly insulting take on the Russian contribution to the war effort.

 

[i-Lo]

Some of the posts in this thread are fucking insane

Indeed, the mental gymnastics are truly something to behold.

Let's put the two most astounding ones on the list:

1. Mental illness
2. Hypothetically speaking if instead of a punch it was sexual assault

I am going to have to wait and see if defenses such as these pop up when a brown muslim guy declares his open support for Isis and death to all heathens in or a black guy declares his intention to eradicate all whites in public domain gets clocked out cold.

 

[valkyre]

Sad thing is that the guy who threw the punch will be the one to get in trouble...

 

[Monkeyball]

Here's a hypothetical scenario for you.

If you had a button which allowed you to kill every ISIS member on the planet instantly, would you push it?

For him the button he desires is an unban button.

 

[gfxtwin]

Said Muslims were just like Nazis but then wouldn't explain why he thought that generalization was correct and you know he'd be all over our dicks if we called White America or Christian America a bunch of Nazis. Hypocrite to the max.

He said that about all muslims, as opposed to the more militant ones? Seems out of character based on what I've heard from him on the Cracked podcast. Link?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

What if the Nazi was a fly and the rest of us are ants.... Makes you think

 

[flkraven]

I felt better about the punch that Richard Spencer got than this guy. Why? I think because that was more spontaneous? That one was not organized or premeditated. Some guy saw Spencer giving a TV interview and just walked over and socked him. I had no problem with that one. There were neutral people around that situation, so Spencer thought he was in a comfort zone and some guy knocked him out of it.

This one was calculated. This guy was literally hunted down. This one was disturbing to me because of that. But, then again, this guy was more belligerent. So,maybe vigilante justice was required?

I know it sounds hypocritical. I'm even questioning myself right now.

I was asking the hypotheticals to try to figure out what is right and what is wrong because I don't even know. I was raised to not be violent and this stuff has got my head all messed up.

Sorry if anything came off as out of line.

We all hate Neo-Nazis. No question there.

The violence just makes me uncomfortable.

imo there can be varying levels of acceptable violence in certain situations. Self defense is the easiest example with the most extreme being certain types of war. But even in war there are lines drawn, and not everything is allowed. While killing is a part of war, torture and rape are generally considered war crimes across the board.

In the case of a loud, belligerent Nazi, proudly displaying swastikas and believing in the superiority of one race and advocating hate and violence towards others: a punch in the face seems acceptable.

 

[Stinkles]

Sorry if anything came off as out of line.

We all hate Neo-Nazis. No question there.

The violence just makes me uncomfortable.

Bye Heartbreak Ridge. Btw did you ever consider that being called an ape and having a banana thrown at him on the street by an ACTUAL NAZI might have made the tall gentleman "uncomfortable?"

 

[Don'tBeWeird]

Yo, who made this? Can see a lot of use for it.

It was a quick Photoshop that I did because I felt it conveyed my thoughts better than a short paragraph would.

 

[Boke1879]

So wait? At the end of it all. The guy who threw the punch was the one the Neo Nazi was harassing? What's the issue?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

What if the Nazi baked a cake, and it was the best cake you ever saw. What now tolerant left?!?