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LTTP: Dark Souls 3 - The Demon's Souls sequel I always wanted (Spoilers/Screenshots)

Sami+

Member
After waiting over a year to actually raise the Lothric Castle banner and continue past Vordt, and 52 hours of playtime on this current run, I've finally completed Dark Souls III for the first time.

I'm a longtime fan of the Souls series, having gotten my start in 2009 with the NA version of Demon's Souls. I really cherish the experience I had with that game at the time, with it being a gift from my older sister and one I had to plead with my mom to let me play, having only been about 15 years old at the time. The game absolutely blew me away, and by now I must have beaten it upwards of 10-12 times. Runs with random other blue phantom players helping, invading a lot, helping a lot, playing with friends only, and solo - I'd go as far as saying my favorite online multiplayer experiences with some of my really close friends were playing Demon's Souls together for hour on end and figuring out all the systems together, or exploring and explaining to each other shit we'd seen on the Wikia when everything was still new. Everything from the combat to the lore and the way the whole game was paced and structured just clicked, and for years it stood as my favorite game.

Fast forward to now, and the series has closed with Dark Souls III's final DLC earlier this year. It's been a great ride! I loved Dark Souls and Bloodborne, but with both there always just seemed to be little things that made me yearn for another game that ticked the same boxes as Demon's Souls on more than just a superficial level to give me some of those feelings again.

Dark Souls was an absolutely incredible game, but I remember being disappointed with it at the time due to the slower combat, the art style, the online just not fucking work at all every time I tried to use it, and the story being more obtuse than its predecessor's. I loved it, don't get me wrong, but it felt like more of its own thing and I still preferred Demon's Souls personally. The highlights of the game for me were Sen's Fortress and the Painted World of Ariamis, honestly probably because they felt the most like Demon's Souls levels. I noticed I seem to gravitate towards the more labyrinthine level designs over the wider and more expansive ones.

I don't want to derail my own thread with talk about Dark Souls II so I'll just say I hated it and leave it at that.

The much loved Bloodborne is probably my next favorite after Demon's Souls, but for some reason I never really felt much desire to go back to it. I never played The Old Hunters since when it came out the only character I had available was at the beginning of NG+ and I didn't feel like going all the way through it again. I like the melee-focused, fast paced combat since that's usually how I like to play (I don't think I've ever actually done a magic build lol), but in hindsight the smaller number of weapons alongside armors all being the same might have made it less replayable for me. I also felt like a lot of the environments felt relatively samey without as much variation in color or architecture as Demon's and Dark Souls. Again, still an excellent game, but just not quite on that same wavelength I was at playing Demon's Souls in spite of the many improvements to the core mechanics. Best parts were probably the fights against Rom and Ebrietas, but most importantly the moment it pulls the wool out from over your eyes and you see all the Lovecraftian cosmic horror that had been going on without you knowing.

Finally, we're at Dark Souls III. I bought the full game with season pass on PS4 about a week or so after launch, but never actually got past Vordt (the first "real" boss at the Lothric Castle outskirts). I liked what I played, but I guess I just saw it as more of the same at the time and didn't really feel compelled to play more. I specifically remember thinking that the new Firelink just felt like another Majula - a superficial callback to the Nexus that didn't actually hit what I loved so much about it originally. I later found out I was wrong, but I'll get to that in a minute. The first thing I want to talk about is something Dark Souls 3 absolutely should have indisputably been best at, and definitely had an unfair advantage with for me - visuals. I came back to the game a few weeks ago after having upgraded my PC setup for the first time in a few years. Since I knew that the PC version was capped at 60 fps instead of 30, I felt that this was as good a reason as any to give the game another shot.

Visually, the game is just sublime. It's genuinely heartwarming to see how far From Software has come as a studio since their first few PS3 titles, and the artists on the team are putting out master-class work as always. Everything in Dark Souls III feels solid and detailed, and the environments more immersive. I found myself just panning the camera around and taking screenshots a lot. I absolutely loved the look of Firelink Shrine, Lothric Castle, Archdragon Peak, and the Painted World of Ariandel. It was also nice to get to see old armor sets, weapons, and certain locations redone in the new engine. Full disclosure though: I played using a Reshade preset that slightly altered the contrast and color saturation.

I thought the story was excellent, even compared to what came before it. Dark Souls III does a great job as a standalone entry in the series by giving the player character clear motivations up front and keeping the end goal in sight, just like in Demon's Souls. I liked being able to see my progression in-game by placing the crowns on the four thrones in Firelink. I also absolutely love the idea of the "true end of the world being brought about by the unnatural cycle of linking the flame and halting the world from progressing into a new age. Actually seeing the world's end as a gray and desolate landscape at the end of the Ringed City DLC was really cool, and finally achieving the Dark Soul of Man to use as a pigment for a new Painted World felt like the perfect closure for the series. I also liked the presence of the Usurp the Flame questline and how it lent a better understanding of the essence of humanity and the culture of Londor. Speaking of - I loved the NPCs this this around. They've always been really good, but it felt like they had more to do, more direct motivations, and more interactions with each other like the intersections between Yuria and Anri's or Greirat, Seigward, and Patches' questlines. I also loved how each of the major Lords had an NPC directly related to them. In regards to what I meant by Firelink not feeling "superficial" - most of the major NPCs know about it, and there are even some that you meet there for the first time. It feels like a hub for everyone and an important location just like the Nexus did. I really hated how in Majula, whenever a character went there it basically felt like their questline was over and they didn't have anything interesting left to do a lot of the time. It just did a great job of capturing what made the Nexus so memorable for me. Altogether the world just feels very well realized, more than it ever has before imo. It truly felt like the perfect end to the Dark Souls story to me.

Gameplay is the best it's ever been, just straight up. The speed is perfect - not as fast as Bloodborne, not as slow as Dark Souls, but very comfortably in the middle (kind of like demons souls 🤫). Love it. Tons of cool weapons to use like for all sorts of builds, and I was very happy rocking a big dumb hammer for a lot of the game before switching to a Raw Astora Greatsword + Crow Quill build. Weapon skills were also a really cool addition to the combat system- I liked how distinct they made each weapon feel both in PvE and PvP. Level design was a big winner this time around too, with standouts like Archdragon Peak, Lothric Castle, the Dreg Heap, and Smouldering Lake.

So as you can obviously see by now, I was really blown away by this game. I'm almost sad I didn't play it sooner because it feels like the best the series had to offer, and I'm happy my lower expectations were proven wrong. Came wait to see what comes next from the team.

Now, some screenshots. These are off Facebook unfortunately since I'm not at my PC so I hope the quality is okay.

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tl:dr DS3 was pretty good
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
Yes! I've said this often. Dark Souls 3 is the truest Demon's Souls sequel we have right now. Reposting my good ol' list :p And yes, the game is really fucking good. It's a shame people have succumbed to "Souls fatigue" or whatever, and don't appreciate its great qualities.

- Movement speed, general physics (attacking, generous dodging, etc.)
- Auto-revival (embering) after a boss (or helping as a phantom)
- HP reduction when non-embered + as a phantom
- No poise
- Useless heavy armour xD
- Mana bar for magic
- Estoc being OP in PvP xD
- Dual kats returning
- Stormruler
- Morion Blade
- Luck stat + Blueblood Sword vs Anri's Straight Sword
- Scholar's Candlestick = Kris Blade
- Evangelists reminiscent of Fat Ministers
- Gauntlet of enemies before L&L very reminiscent 1-3 before Penetrator fight
- Red-eyed knight * (difficult optional enemy in starting area, the one guarding the Gem)
- Firelink very reminiscent of the Nexus
- Irithyll Dungeon reminiscent of Latria prison
- High Wall of Lothric/Lothric Castle reminiscent of Boletarian Palace (far more than Undead Burg/Parish), including starting there, and returning there later
- See above, but with the drakes: drake on bridge early in 1-2/1-4 blue dragon guarding the late castle, vs the drakes doing the same in early and later Lothric Castle
- Firekeeper "Then touch the darkness within me", vs Maiden in Black "Then touch the demon inside me"
- Both the Firekeeper and the Maiden in Black are blind (both apparently on purpose)
- Gimmick bosses being more common
- Yuria's assassination request reminiscent of Mephistopheles's sidequest, plus they even stand similarly
- Speaking of which, a character actually called Yuria again xD
- However, the one that looks like Yuria from Demon's Souls isn't that one, it's Karla, but they look very similar

Other things that I've seen pointed out, which aren't as immediately obvious, but still worth mentioning:

- Maiden Astraea/Garl Vinland vs Irina/Eygon
- Rock worms returning
- Iudex Gundyr is reminiscent of the Old King Doran (not sure I really agree with this one tbh)

* Yes I know about the black knight in Undead Burg but note how this one specifically has the glowing red eyes from Demon's Souls, indicating he's more dangerous than regular enemies.
 

Ferr986

Member
Remember when I said I had enough of Dark Souls?

Fuck that, I need more lol

Can't say much because I never played Demons but once again, Dark Souls 3 ended up being for me the GOTY of his year, same as the other games in the series and Bloodborne.
 

Linkark07

Banned
While I haven't played too much of Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 3 is my favorite Souls title at the moment. The art is beautiful, the gameplay speed is perfect, the DLCs were good and the bosses were awesome.

As a conclusion to the Dark Souls games, it was a superb way for end it.

I also loved all the mentions of the first Dark Souls, including visiting the abandoned Anor Londo.
 

HeelPower

Member
For some reason,I was never able to do a full second playthrough. Despite trying many times.

The game is sterile.But its pretty.
 

Sami+

Member

I know we disagree a LOT when it comes to DS2 but I was very happy to see your username here haha. Agreed with most of these points, especially the similarities between Boletaria and Lothric - I remember some people on here telling me they're not that alike and after having now beaten the game that's crazy to me. The gauntlet of enemies before the twin princes, the fat ministers, the red eyed knights, and even the final confrontation with the drakes above a huge archway leading deeper into the castle, enemies particularly weak to fire, like come on lol.
 
I agree that DS3 has more in common with Demon's than the rest of the Dark Souls games.


Demon's is my least liked Souls game, with DS3 following very near, so I guess it also makes sense.
 

Sami+

Member
Using the Storm Ruler to kill the Storm King was a thousand times cooler than Yhorm.

Honestly I couldn't quite figure out how to do it. 😅

BUT Seigward showing up in a cutscene and fulfilling his duty his old homie was cool and made up for it
 

CHC

Member
Every time a thread like this gets made my desire to replay DSIII is reinforced even more.

Also want to get in on that DLC but the Season Pass has seemingly NEVER been on sale. I don't want to pay 25 dollars!
 
i can get behind the similarities to demons. i disagree a bit on the relative ranking of the series (though i agree on dark souls 2) but good post overall.

i never follow the stories closely enough to comment on their quality. i rely more on how the world feels and how well realized it is. in that respect dark souls 3 is good, but i dont think its better than bb.
 

Sami+

Member
one of the few things i didn't like in this game is that they made my favourite character patches an MRA :/

? What's this about?

I finished his questline and didn't get this lol. All the more reason to murder him though, it's basically tradition for me at this point lol.
 

kaishek

Neo Member
Every time a thread like this gets made my desire to replay DSIII is reinforced even more.

Also want to get in on that DLC but the Season Pass has seemingly NEVER been on sale. I don't want to pay 25 dollars!

it was just on sale for what felt like two weeks on PSN & Steam. Snagged it for $15 I think
 

Bronetta

Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
The biggest similarity between Demons Souls and Dark Souls 3: you start out in Boletarian Palace / Lothric Castle in the beginning before going on a journey across various regions and returning back to Boletaria/Lothric for the finale before the final boss.

I loved Dark Souls 3, I feel like it got a bad rep because people were burnt on Souls, it was following up on the legendary Bloodborne and came out a short time after BB and DS2: SotFS.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
and even the final confrontation with the drakes above a huge archway leading deeper into the castle
Oh shit I forgot about that. Should add it to my list!

his dialogue when he traps you in the firelink shrine if you play as a female character
??

I play as a female character all the time and never saw anything "MRA" like. If you mean that he calls you an "insatiable wench" instead of "greedy guts" for males, that's a huge stretch...
 
It's the best Souls game in the DARK SOULS Trilogy. It just does not have weak points at all. The only thing barring it from being better than Bloodborne and Demon's is - yes - Souls Fatigue; it's a real thing.

It also has the hardest boss in all 5 Soulsborne games - Friede. Seriously Fume, Allant, Orphan, Maria, Ludwig, O&S, Nameless King etc. can lick her boots.

And the best dragon boss fight in the series!
 

galv

Unconfirmed Member
By far the most polished Soulsborne game. It's fantastic start to finish, with very few misses. Fantastic level design, and easily the best bosses in the series and it's not even close.

DLC is short, but everything in there is fantastic.
 

Bronetta

Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
It's the best Souls game in the DARK SOULS Trilogy. It just does not have weak points at all. The only thing barring it from being better than Bloodborne and Demon's is - yes - Souls Fatigue; it's a real thing.

It also has the hardest boss in all 5 Soulsborne games - Freia. Seriously Fume, Allant, Orphan, Maria, Ludwig, O&S etc. can lick her boots.

And the best dragon boss fight in the series!

DS3 easily has the hardest bosses in the series.

Sulyvahn and Aldrich back to back broke me.
 
I still don't think its quite as good as BB or DS1, but I would agree OP. I think DS3 is a lot better than most people give it credit for. The allusions to the other games only strengthen it to me so its weird that a lot of people say its a "Rehash." It's a Dark souls game but on steroids graphically and with polished up mechanics. I don't WANT it to be that different, I have bloodborne for that.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
It's the best Souls game in the DARK SOULS Trilogy. It just does not have weak points at all. The only thing barring it from being better than Bloodborne and Demon's is - yes - Souls Fatigue; it's a real thing.

It also has the hardest boss in all 5 Soulsborne games - Friede. Seriously Fume, Allant, Orphan, Maria, Ludwig, O&S, Nameless King etc. can lick her boots.

And the best dragon boss fight in the series!

I agree with all of those points.
 

Ferr986

Member
For me Souls 1 still remains supreme. I like the combat speed the most (Souls 3 is too fast IMO, especially when you PvP) and of course, the level design.
 
Oh shit I forgot about that. Should add it to my list!


??

I play as a female character all the time and never saw anything "MRA" like. If you mean that he calls you an "insatiable wench" instead of "greedy guts" for males, that's a huge stretch...

When he traps you in the tower with all the dead firekeepers he says "Besides, you're amongst your own. Plenty of company, right?" referring to the firekeepers as your own just because both you and them happen to be female. Ok, so maybe MRA is a bit of an exaggeration, but associating you solely by your gender seems like something someone with slightly fucked up ideas about women would do.
 

Lux R7

Member
Masterpiece with basically no lows. A joy to play with best controls and best bosses in the series imho.
 
It's the best Souls game in the DARK SOULS Trilogy. It just does not have weak points at all. The only thing barring it from being better than Bloodborne and Demon's is - yes - Souls Fatigue; it's a real thing.

It also has the hardest boss in all 5 Soulsborne games - Friede. Seriously Fume, Allant, Orphan, Maria, Ludwig, O&S, Nameless King etc. can lick her boots.

And the best dragon boss fight in the series!

ii is the best dark souls

and i found friede really easy and beat her on my first attempt

even the deacons of the deep managed to kill me more times lol

she has nothing on fume knight
 

Sami+

Member
Every time a thread like this gets made my desire to replay DSIII is reinforced even more.

Also want to get in on that DLC but the Season Pass has seemingly NEVER been on sale. I don't want to pay 25 dollars!

I think it's still on sale on steam? Not sure since I already bought it anyway. I definitely overspent since the full package was on sale for like $25 less than I ended up spending only a few weeks after I bought it but I felt it was worth the money either way and wasn't too bothered.

The biggest similarity between Demons Souls and Dark Souls 3: you start out in Boletarian Palace / Lothric Castle in the beginning before going on a journey across various regions and returning back to Boletaria/Lothric for the finale before the final boss.

I can't believe I forgot to mention this too, yeah.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
When he traps you in the tower with all the dead firekeepers he says "Besides, you're amongst your own. Plenty of company, right?" referring to the firekeepers as your own just because both you and them happen to be female. Ok, so maybe MRA is a bit of an exaggeration, but associating you solely by your gender seems like something someone with slightly fucked up ideas about women would do.

Yeah, huge stretch. It's just that for males he makes a quip about "dying surrounded by ladies - every man's dream right? heehehehe". So they tweaked dialogue for female players and the joke doesn't work as well, but... yeah you're reading too much into it :p

and i found friede really easy and beat her on my first attempt
Solo?? I don't believe you one bit.
 

KLoWn

Member
Respect to Sister Friede and Father Ariandel, the best Dark Souls boss.

*Edit*
I don't agree that she is the hardest though. That point probably goes to...Midir maybe? Pontiff Sulyvahn easily held that title until my second playthough were I found his weakness. Circle him. He dropped way down on the "Hardest boss scale".
 

Sami+

Member
ii is the best dark souls

and i found friede really easy and beat her on my first attempt

even the deacons of the deep managed to kill me more times lol

she has nothing on fume knight

Really? She was easily the hardest boss in the game for me. Took fucking forever to take her down. The only other major roadblocks for me were Abyss Watchers and Gael.
 

Ferr986

Member
How well does DS3 run on current consoles?

30 fps, pretty stable but at the same time has framepacing issues so it doesn't feel smooth.

Pro patch has variable framerate hoves around high 40 and low 50. It's makes drops more noticeable than base PS4 but overall is a smoother experience.

Dunno about Xbox.
 

Gen X

Trust no one. Eat steaks.
30 fps, pretty stable but at the same time has framepacing issues so it doesn't feel smooth.

Pro patch has variable framerate hoves around high 40 and low 50. It's makes drops more noticeable than base PS4 but overall is a smoother experience.

Dunno about Xbox.

Thanks, that's good enough for me, I'm not overly fussed about unstable framerates unless it drops to 20fps so all good here.
 
Agree with all of that except the dark souls 2 bit, I have fond memories of that game because it helped me through a tough time in my life.

I've just started another run through 3 and am enjoying it as much as the first time.
 

Raptor

Member
Incerdible game, not as good as Bloodborne for me but only because Im a cosmic/lovecraft fanboy and I like teh more fast paced combat of Bloodborne but apart from that I really love this one.

Im at my new game +++ now, awsome game.
 

Gin-Shiio

Member
I had a good time playing Dark Souls 3, but felt the series had exhausted most possible vistas. A lot of the areas felt overly familiar, and didn't excite me as much. Thankfully, when I returned for The Ringed City, I was treated to a fresh setting and new exciting story beats to cap off the series with.

I often feel that I am one of the few people that appreciate the series for its world building and lore first and foremost, so if keeping the gameplay loop is all they have to do to reel in their usual audience, I'd prefer for them to keep making new series ala Bloodborne to keep their games' stories interesting.
 

Sami+

Member
I had a good time playing Dark Souls 3, but felt the series had exhausted most possible vistas. A lot of the areas felt overly familiar, and didn't excite me as much. Thankfully, when I returned for The Ringed City, I was treated to a fresh setting and new exciting story beats to cap off the series with.

I often feel that I am one of the few people that appreciate the series for its world building and lore first and foremost, so if keeping the gameplay loop is all they have to do to reel in their usual audience, I'd prefer for them to keep making new series ala Bloodborne to keep their games' stories interesting.

I thought Dark Souls 3 did a good enough job of mixing it up and looking visually distinct from it's predecessors. In particular though Archdragon's Peak might just be one of my favorite areas in the entire series. The whole experience is just stunningly gorgeous and totally different from everything that came before it in previous games.
 

Raptor

Member
I thought Dark Souls 3 did a good enough job of mixing it up and looking visually distinct from it's predecessors. In particular though Archdragon's Peak might just be one of my favorite areas in the entire series. The whole experience is just stunningly gorgeous and totally different from everything that came before it in previous games.

And how you get there is really unique.
 
Yes it's a really good game. Not my favourite game in the series because it was a little too conservative but they made very few mistakes in this. It's also drop-dead gorgeous on PC in 1440p. Also, it's honestly clearly the hardest game in the series despite what people with 5 games of Souls experience going into the game claimed.

Just terrific and yes, it got robbed blind in GAF's 2016 election. It was easily the best game last year.
 
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