Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
It's the default way to text people on iPhones...
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Switched to android from iOS, immediately miss imessage :(
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It's the default way to text people on iPhones...
I got that, but will it never sms an iPhone if the owner went off the internet grid? And will the bubble change color in that case to indicate sms? Or is it just delivery failure or on hold?
Battlezone
Member
It's not "really easy", though.
I have WhatsApp installed on my iPhone. I talk to one friend in Canada with it, nobody else was interested in using it, and even my Canadian friend and I have moved to Facebook Messenger to keep in touch.
It's not just persuading your family to install it. It's persuading my parents and my wife's parents to use it, who barely understand texting as it is. It's persuading them to remember to text me (and only me) using WhatsApp and everyone else using Messages. It's explaining to them why WhatsApp is a "better" solution, and if it's so much better, why does her church group use the other thing, which works just as well?
It's not just getting your friends and family to use WhatsApp. It's getting your friends and family's friends and family to use it. And that's a tough hill to climb when Messages is right there, default, and works great out of the box. I really don't understand why this is so confusing.
GAF is in it's bubble again. I guarantee you most users don't see or understand the difference between WhatsApp, Messages, Facebook Messenger, or SMS. They use what's right in front of them.
That's extremely reductive.
It's a japanese product and their main msging app.
The first hundred people saying that wasn't enough?
Now we know what america, europe and asia use, but what abot african states? Whatsapp too I guess.
I mustve misunderstood your original message, I thought you said roaming off but WiFi on? Either way:
Any internet: iMessage works
No internet: iMessage will fail and depending on your settings iMessage will automatically change to sms and turn green, or it will give you an option to send as a SMS. If you send as a SMS itll be green to indicate to you AND the person your talking to you sent it as a text.
Hopefully that was clear enough.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
The What's App posts always get me too. Saying "why don't US folks use what's app? Is like me asking why you aren't using Facebook Messenger or Google Hangouts. Heck, messenger is built right into Facebook even.
Yes, thank you.
Glass Shark
Banned
They know people use iMessage, they are just trying to hide their smug superiority.
It's not so much 'why don't you guys use WhatsApp' as why don't you guys use any messaging app that works on all platforms including PC?
Facebook and Hangouts are also better than iMessage.
Uno Venova
Banned
why don't people just use google plus it's so much better
i tell people all the time but no one moves over from Facebook
i tell people all the time but no one moves over from Facebook
KojiKnight
Member
Everyone is on facebook... so why not just use facebook messenger?
More on point, I use facebook messenger lite because it doesn't drain the battery as much.
More on point, I use facebook messenger lite because it doesn't drain the battery as much.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
What really boggles me is that people care.
I use hangouts when people contact me with hangouts.
I use FB Messenger when I want to group chat.
I use text (Textra, but default would be fine) for those people who text me.
And I have them all installed and don't care.
I don't think I'd miss any particular one as long as I could contact people and send links and pics.
I guess in cases where texts aren't free I'd care, but it sounds like everywhere that's true uses WhatsApp.
And what's the green bubble thing? How iMessage marks a non-iMessage user? Is that solely for the stigma?
I use hangouts when people contact me with hangouts.
I use FB Messenger when I want to group chat.
I use text (Textra, but default would be fine) for those people who text me.
And I have them all installed and don't care.
I don't think I'd miss any particular one as long as I could contact people and send links and pics.
I guess in cases where texts aren't free I'd care, but it sounds like everywhere that's true uses WhatsApp.
And what's the green bubble thing? How iMessage marks a non-iMessage user? Is that solely for the stigma?
entremet
Member
Exactly. We're a very tech-centric group and it's sometimes hard to understand that some people don't want to install anything on their phones. They go with the default and for iPhones that's iMessage, which also covers SMS.
Not everyone cares about GIFs, pics, encryption and so on. C'mon, guys lol. Put yourself in other's shoes.
Depending on the phone plan I think it makes sense to know if you are using data or sms. Or maybe they're just malicious, I wouldn't know.
tonysidaway
Member
The features of iMessages are now being described, and it has become apparent to me that it incorporates SMS integration. Please correct me if I've misunderstood.
So what's to stop the original poster simply texting their friends and family who have an Apple phone? The message will show up in iMessages. Presumably any replies from those friends would appear as SMS. I like a system that degrades gracefully.
So what's to stop the original poster simply texting their friends and family who have an Apple phone? The message will show up in iMessages. Presumably any replies from those friends would appear as SMS. I like a system that degrades gracefully.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Yeah. I think people just use whatever platform their friends and family are on. Non-tech people in my family use text message mostly, and by default, that's imessage on iphone. My friends mostly use Facebook Messenger, and my gaming buddies use Hangouts.
I'd love everyone to switch to one (Whatsapp or any of them) but not everyone uses the same thing.
Pagusas
Elden Member
When you use imessage, if both you and your contact are on imessage the text bubble will be blue, signifying all imessage features will work, like read reciepts, typing alerts, high quality image and videos, ect.
If the message bubble is green, that means imessage is in sms/text mode because either your contact isnt on imessage or one of you doesnt have data coverage.
Its a helpful thing, not a stigma (or at least not intended as one). If i'm texting my wife and suddenly i see the bubbles change green, that means my message failed to send as an imessage and revered to the fallback text mode, meaning I (or more than often my wife) has lost data covereage and thus will receive the message through the regular voice network. Her building she works in is pretty terrible for reception regarding the data network.
Because SMS is so 1990s. People want to send photos and so on.
jts
...hate me...
It's not. It's very big but at a very minimum level, Facebook Messenger is also a very used alternative by almost everyone who has as Facebook account. Which as you can imagine it's a lot of people.
tonysidaway
Member
Surely you have it reversed. Being tech-savvy surely makes us _less_ willing to install any old locked-in bloatware when we already have SMTP/IMAP/POP and SMS.
Nothing is stopping them besides the fact that they're probably considerate and trying to send one message instead of ten texts that sometimes come in random order with no indication of the order they were sent.
Uno Venova
Banned
If they add him the entire group chat turns to SMS I believe. Which makes the whole mms and SMS experience worse for everyone.
entremet
Member
You don't install imessage, though. It's already there. Defaults are rather powerful for adoption. See MS killing Netscape with IE.
Tallshortman
Member
Yes the reason people use iMessage in the US is because it integrates with sms/mms which makes it so you can message anyone with it since sms is the standard here. Anyone telling you the reason is because of higher quality of video or gifs is an infintesmal user base.
tonysidaway
Member
Then iMessages is broken. Why do people use it in preference to email or SMS?
Uno Venova
Banned
everyone they know has iMessage.
It's not iMessage that's broken, it's that SMS messages are fucking technically outdated once it's forced to revert for others. I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore because you're more concerned with being right about something you obviously have never used than to actually read and comprehend.
if you need me to agree with you just to end this, sure, everyone should be using their email for these types of communications instead, such an amazing, obviously well thought out idea.
Funny gifs and videos over SMS is probably not very appealing to the OP
sometimes i game
Member
There's literally no way for you to declare the majority of people love iMessage because it falls back to text when they don't have data and a unmeasurable small amount of people like it because it lets you send big files or has animation features. This is your opinion.
iMessage works great for America which is why it is so successful here. Costs, criteria, and preferences vary around the world, that is fine. WhatsApp doesn't do everything that iMessage does and vice versa. It's not personal.
tonysidaway
Member
That was rather my point: all systems support the standards I mentioned. iMessages is simply a lock-in, a tool of marketing strategy.
Do you think you can successfully argue any side with someone that thinks we should have ended all progress in regards to messaging with the introduction of 'SMTP/IMAP/POP and SMS'?
Hopefully by fourth quarter all the US carriers will make the switch to universal profile so there's intercarrier RCS. At least at that point android to android messaging will be nice, but Android to iPhone is still standard sms until Apple gets on board.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Every single person I know and deal with in my entire life. Work, family. friends all use iMessage.
tonysidaway
Member
No, I would argue against that and would win. Those standards still exist, though, and if we lock ourselves into proprietary applications that do not support interoperability standards we end up with these pointless wrestling matches on forums, between two or more groups of people who have locked themselves into incompatible systems. There is nothing to be lost by avoiding the trap.
From what I have understood from this discussion iMessage is the default button on the home screen that will be used for messaging just like the regular sms app found on most androids (I assume, at least mine had one), but if you have data active it automatically prefers using data and gives a lot of additional features as long as you are sending to and from an online iPhone, if not it downgrades to regular sms.
I can certainly see the comfort of it if you are the kind of person to have a lot of phone numbers saved.
Can iMessages take contacts from other sources than your contact book?
Katzenjammer
Member
I convinced my boyfriend to install Signal messenger, and that covers 90% of my messaging usecase right there. Signal has a great UI (on Android) and integrates nicely with sms, I can really recommend it!
With everyone else it's either fb messenger or whatsapp, where I would probably use the latter way way more if it didn't force those horrible emojis on me.
With everyone else it's either fb messenger or whatsapp, where I would probably use the latter way way more if it didn't force those horrible emojis on me.
Krappadizzle
Member
Didn't miss iMessage at all when moving to Android last year. Different strokes I guess.
That's RCS, but only T-Mobile to T-Mobile messages are compatible. Once they switch over to the universal profile, which Google is spearheading, it will work with other carriers. Sprint is currently on the universal profile. T-Mobile has previously stated they will switch in the fourth quarter/by the end of the year. AT&T and Verizon are also on board but I can't recall an e.t.a.
Those are the iOS emojis, lol.
Well, it already has caught on apparently with probably a larger subscriber base than iPhones.
So what were you saying?
A guy named Dean saying it's dead doesn't mean it is.
Maybe Canada didn't go as hard into iMessage as I'm seeing in this thread because people already knew how stupid it is to use a single-ecosystem messaging platform after BBM. Facebook Messenger is by far my most used platform though I have one friend group that uses Hangouts and I know WhatsApp is pretty popular but not too much in my social circles.
I only use iMessage with my parents.
I only use iMessage with my parents.
RCS is that the same as Android Messages app? I know next to nothing about both of these.
But it seems Android Messages is getting introduced under the name SMS+ by one of the big network carriers in Norway. Their description of SMS+ reads just like what I learned about iMessage from this thread by acting as an advanced chat using data with a regular sms as a fallback.
But it seems Android Messages is getting introduced under the name SMS+ by one of the big network carriers in Norway. Their description of SMS+ reads just like what I learned about iMessage from this thread by acting as an advanced chat using data with a regular sms as a fallback.
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
I use iMessage with my iPhone contacts and WhatsApp with my Android ones, simples.
finalflame
Member
Because iMessage is fluid and slick whilst pretty much all other rich messaging solutions are fucking trash. Let's not even get anywhere near SMS and how shitty it is.
iMessage is probably one the biggest reasons most users won't ever switch off iOS.
iMessage is probably one the biggest reasons most users won't ever switch off iOS.
WhatsApp is objectively superior to iMessage though. The only feature WhatsApp does have is... SMS integration which is the most asinine and archaic thing to want.
self_aware_keyboard
Member
I had to google what "imessage" is, wow what great solution to message people who can afford expensive phones
Thank god, I have only known Whatsapp! It just works and is very easy to use.
One minor bug I have with it, happened only once to me/family, but you needed to open the app for it to "wake" and check for new messages.
Thank god, I have only known Whatsapp! It just works and is very easy to use.
One minor bug I have with it, happened only once to me/family, but you needed to open the app for it to "wake" and check for new messages.