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Nurse at Naval Hospital Taking Racist Photos with Newborns

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Vermillion

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I'm reading the first pages and... race-related or not, this is incredibly, incredibly irresponsible and shitty.

And then, it does seem racially motivated anyways.

EDIT: Okay, race isn't mentioned at all, so I take back the last part. Still evil.
 
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BriGuy

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Hagi said:
Arguing about whether this vile act was racist or not seems moot given they should get fucked for it either way. Disgusting pieces of trash should never be allowed to work near kids ever again.
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They're being dishonorably discharged at the least, which can and will ruin the rest of their lives. There should be impending criminal charges as well. As for the hang up on whether it was be racially motivated, I think it would probably compound their punishment if it can be proven (or at least it should). Whether it was racist or not, I have no idea because I can't determine the race of newborns on sight and the article isn't very forthcoming with that information. At this point, I think it's too presumptuous to automatically leap to that conclusion, but it's also presumptuous to discount that possibility.
 
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kvothe

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Royce McCutcheon said:
So with all due respect, should we just respect the topic title until it's proven Otherwise? Or if it's that fucking painful to call this evil woman a racist, change the topic title.
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If an OP introduces elements that are not readily apparently without providing any evidence to support their claim, I do not have to respect their thread title. Why would I? The burden of proof is on them for introducing those elements.

And for those that will only see this post: I'm talking about an OP inserting racism where there's no actual evidence of the race of the people involved and, in fact, the only pictures provided make it appear that both the victim and the perpetrator were white.

I think it's disrespectful to the topic at hand for the OP to add their own spin to a story.
 
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Harmen

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This is disgusting behaviour. Thankfully, she seems to have paid the price (her job and future career with it).

I am no expert on babies that were just born and are still in the hospital, but could this have injured them or lead to complications? I hope not....
 
ebullientprism

ebullientprism

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“We are aware of a video/photo posted online. It’s outrageous, unacceptable, incredibly unprofessional, and cannot be tolerated. We have identified the staff members involved. They have been removed from patient care and they will be handled by the legal system and military justice. We’re in the process of notifying the patient’s parents.”
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Honest to god, I read that in a Jackie Chiles voice.

pls no ban.
 
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OG Shaka Zulu

Member
Garuroh said:
To clarify, I was saying it because mostly people only picture white men when talking about racism. Guess I should have said "white women CAN be so vile"
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This is the truth. White men are the posterboys for it but white women have been just as complicit throughout US history. Some of the prominent Suffragettes' motivation was "how the fuck is white supremacy supposed to continue if white women can't vote but Black male animals can!?". To add, a Klanswoman was responsible for a big Klan resurgence early last century. All these racist asshats are married to like minded people.
 
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Royce McCutcheon

Junior Member
kvothe said:
If an OP introduces elements that are not readily apparently without providing any evidence to support their claim, I do not have to respect their thread title. Why would I? The burden of proof is on them for introducing those elements.

And for those that will only see this post: I'm talking about an OP inserting racism where there's no actual evidence of the race of the people involved and, in fact, the only pictures provided make it appear that both the victim and the perpetrator were white.

I think it's disrespectful to the topic at hand for the OP to add their own spin to a story.
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Man, fuck outta here with that, no matter what was posted you were gonna have people saying

Norwegian Rudo said:
Even if the child happens to be black that isn't proof it was done out of racism.
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So I don't know what proof you want or need, but I can 100% bet it won't be enough.
 
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Kaako

Felium Defensor
Harmen said:
This is disgusting behaviour. Thankfully, she seems to have paid the price (her job and future career with it).

I am no expert on babies that were just born and are still in the hospital, but could this have injured them or lead to complications? I hope not....
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Yes, easily. Which had my blood fucking boiling after watching that video.
Pure evil with such a disregard for life in general.
 
tkscz

tkscz

Member
Harmen said:
This is disgusting behaviour. Thankfully, she seems to have paid the price (her job and future career with it).

I am no expert on babies that were just born and are still in the hospital, but could this have injured them or lead to complications? I hope not....
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Yes. The way she had the shoulders and not supporting the head at all could easily lead to severe complications for the baby in the future. She showed true malice toward the child, come to think of it, shouldn't there be security cameras in the nursery?
 
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cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
Greedings said:
The worst part of this, is that this bitch was dumb enough to post it on social media. Just think of all the bullshit that goes on without anyone knowing.
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That's the real scary part to be honest.
 
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Norwegian Rudo

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Royce McCutcheon said:
So I don't know what proof you want or need, but I can 100% bet it won't be enough.
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How about any? There is literally zero evidence so far of what you're trying so very hard to peddle here.

These stupid, stupid women may very well be racist, I wouldn't be surprised at all, but what they did was bad enough without claiming additional crimes which so far have only existed in the OP's head.
 
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Nuts.Pistachio_Nuts!

Member
Theres no defense period, sorry. Even if we take race out of the equation. My newborn child shouldnt be subjected to your fucking antics on social media. Your job is to care for the newborn. I dont post shit about peoples accts from my job saying "you mad you cancelled , pay your bill next time!!", this is a stupidity issue which unfortunately a lot of times comes with racist affiliations.
 
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kvothe

Member
Royce McCutcheon said:
Man, fuck outta here with that, no matter what was posted you were gonna have people saying



So I don't know what proof you want or need, but I can 100% bet it won't be enough.
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But I completely differ from Norwegian Rudo and would definitely identify this as a racist act if we knew the baby was black.

If there was a single statement on the race of the parties involved, I'd be satisfied. This is not some kind of "but are you reeeeally black?" test. There's just no actual statement of race anywhere to be found. All we have right now are ambiguous, censored pictures that, to me, resemble many white babies.
 
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Cipherr

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-People do fucked up and clearly racist shit to newborns-

Navy: “We are aware of a video/photo posted online. It’s outrageous, unacceptable, incredibly unprofessional, and cannot be tolerated. We have identified the staff members involved. They have been removed from patient care and they will be handled by the legal system and military justice. We’re in the process of notifying the patient’s parents.”

NeoGAF: "Actually I think its funny, and Im not sure its actually racist at all tbh."
 
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Norwegian Rudo

Member
kvothe said:
But I completely differ from Norwegian Rudo and would definitely identify this as a racist act if we knew the baby was black.
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Why? For all we know they might have done this to many babies. If this baby were black and all the others weren't, would this be racist?
 
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OG Shaka Zulu

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People in this thread clearly have never seen a Black newborn.
Norwegian Rudo said:
How about any? There is literally zero evidence so far of what you're trying so very hard to peddle here.

These stupid, stupid women may very well be racist, I wouldn't be surprised at all, but what they did was bad enough without claiming additional crimes which so far have only existed in the OP's head.
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LOL. Be easy, racism is not a crime. More likely than not this was racist. Its called context and circumstantial evidence. No one is going through hurdles to inject racism in the story, it is a fact of life in the US. These posts vehemently downplaying the possibility of racism are too suspect.
 
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Norwegian Rudo

Member
OG Shaka Zulu said:
LOL. Be easy, racism is not a crime. More likely than not this was racist. Its called context and circumstantial evidence. No one is going through hurdles to inject racism in the story, it is a fact of life in the US. These posts vehemently downplaying the possibility of racism are too suspect.
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Nobody has downplayed the possibility, just pointed out there is currently no evidence.
 
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kvothe

Member
Norwegian Rudo said:
Why? For all we know they might have done this to many babies. If this baby were black and all the others weren't, would this be racist?
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There's too much cultural context to ignore the possibility of racism in that scenario. A white woman making a black baby dance to rap music? It's unreasonable to disregard the racial implications present there.
 
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orava

Member
OG Shaka Zulu said:
People in this thread clearly have never seen a Black newborn.

LOL. Be easy, racism is not a crime. More likely than not this was racist. Its called context and circumstantial evidence. No one is going through hurdles to inject racism in the story, it is a fact of life in the US. These posts vehemently downplaying the possibility of racism are too suspect.
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No media is currently playing the racism angle. Only op did.
 
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manhack

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The title really needs to be changed since these were not nurses, but Navy Corpsmen/enlisted sailors. It doesn't change the crime, but does provide some context.

They will be punished severely since they are under the UCMJ(Universal Code of Military Justice) and regular laws do not come into play here for those saying "it isn't illegal".
 
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Soran

Member
I think most people take the racist angle because otherwise is hard to imagine someone having such hatred for newborns just because. I been in the internet long enough to see people displaying their hatred for children like it was nothing but to actually assault babies with merely hours of life?
 
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Ishan

Junior Member
Norwegian Rudo said:
How about any? There is literally zero evidence so far of what you're trying so very hard to peddle here.

These stupid, stupid women may very well be racist, I wouldn't be surprised at all, but what they did was bad enough without claiming additional crimes which so far have only existed in the OP's head.
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Agree with you. This woman is definitely a complete moron and someone who is vile for treating innocent babies like this . However I am withholding judgement on the race aspect . I would definitely not be surprised if it was race related but I am not going to make that jump without further proof .
 
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orava

Member
Royce McCutcheon said:
I'll take anything that puts the spotlight on racism in America. If this poor woman has to fall on that sword, so be it.
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It's great that you are being passionate for a thing like this but i don't think this is very good way to do that. There's plenty of genuine and much clearer cases around. Unfortunately.
 
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KHarvey16

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Royce McCutcheon said:
Wrong about racism in America? Not likely, wrong in this particular instance? It doesn't matter. The woman is vile and evil
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You don't think the presence of racism should matter in this case at all? If that were true, why would you care one way or another if someone agreed racism was a factor?
 
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metalslimer

Member
Dear fucking god for some people it literally pains them to see another person being called racist no matter how horrible they are.
 
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Kreed

Member
KHarvey16 said:
You said you wanted racism to be involved here.

I'll repeat: you want racism to be involved. When asked if you preferred racism wasn't involved, you say that doesn't matter.

That is completely bizarre to me and should be to anyone actually concerned about racism and bigotry. I don't ever want racism to be a part of anyone's decision process. If a crime is committed, I 100% prefer it to not involve racism and if you can't say the same about yourself I would question your motivations and understanding. Suggesting it doesn't matter doesn't even make sense given the rest of your argument. It's self defeating.
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I'm assuming you're talking about this post?

Kreed said:
How about just agreeing the actions are fucked up to do to babies and keeping it moving? Of all the threads to debate what is Racism or not on, two people fucking with babies is one I would just look the other way on.

"I really want to complain about outrage and liberals being out of control...but you know what, fuck these two for fucking with babies, they deserve all the outrage and then some. I wonder what's going on in the Wolfenstein II thread?"

Hell, I'm hoping they find these two did some sort of Race crime so they can fuck them over further. If everyone who called these women racist is wrong, was this really the topic you wanted to be "right" on anyway? At the very least, sit back and wait for more facts to come out before you go planting "liberals are out of control" flags.

Also the sooner discrimination has nothing to do with politics in the US, the better. Any "decent" human being should be mad at this regardless of their politics.
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I've put in bold the sentence I believe you're talking about. In this particular context vs the overall argument you've attempted to start, I'm saying what these women did is horrible and I hope that they are found guilty of a race CRIME so that they get a harsher LEGAL punishment, a comment directed at a poster focused more on why the nurses are not racist and very little concern about the actions themselves. The point of this comment is to say that I want these women to receive the harshest punishment possible for these horrible actions in the eyes of the law, VS trying to sit here and defend them by saying they aren't racist. At no point was I trying to open a door to an discussion about racist crimes not mattering or attempt to create any hypothetical racism scenarios that motivated these women in a back and forth argument, especially when my whole point in posting in this thread was to address posters being more focused on race and less focused on the deplorable actions.
 
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KHarvey16

Member
Kreed said:
I'm assuming you're talking about this post?



I've put in bold the sentence I believe you're talking about. In this particular context vs the overall argument you've attempted to start, I'm saying what these women did is horrible and I hope that they are found guilty of a race CRIME so that they get a harsher LEGAL punishment, a comment directed at a poster focused more on why the nurses are not and very little concern about the actions themselves. The point of this comment is to say that I want these women to receive the harshest punishment possible for these horrible actions in the eyes of the law, VS trying to sit here and defend them by saying they aren't racist. At no point was I trying to open a door to an discussion about racist crimes not mattering or attempt to create any hypothetical racism scenarios that motivated these women in a back and forth argument, especially when my whole point in posting in this thread was to address posters being more focused on race and less focused on the deplorable actions.
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So racism as a motivator does matter. Why did you argue it didn't? I was very specific in my questions and they relate specifically to this incident. I clearly asked why you would prefer racism were present over racism not being present, and you went on to argue that didn't matter.

I don't know if you are circling toward a more coherent position or not just yet but don't frame this as if I'm the unreasonable one.
 
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Surfinn

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Every single bit of information I have come across says there was "a baby" (singular) that was forced to dance to rap music, and that baby is a person of color.

Seems pretty blatantly racist to me. Unless it was just a fucking coincidence that she just so happened to pick the dark toddler to dance to 50 cent
 
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orava

Member
metalslimer said:
Dear fucking god for some people it literally pains them to see another person being called racist no matter how horrible they are.
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I'd say you have to be sure, even in a situation like this. Otherwise it's almost an insult towards people who have endured actual racism against them. It dilutes it and makes it just a another insult. It's not a thing that you should just throw around without actual proof and hope that it's true in the end.
 
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metalslimer

Member
orava said:
I'd say you have to be sure, even in a situation like this. Otherwise it's almost an insult towards people who have endured actual racism against them. It dilutes it and makes it just a another insult. It's not a thing that you should just throw around without actual proof and hope that it's true in the end.
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As someone who has endured actual racism on a consistent basis the whole let's not say anything until we are 110% is actually insulting because it means POC will never be able to validate their experience

There are people in here who obviously don't give a shot about the babies but are just angry someone got called a racist. it's typical
 
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Seiryoden

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Surfinn said:
Every single bit of information I have come across says there was "a baby" (singular) that was forced to dance to rap music, and that baby is a person of color.

Seems pretty blatantly racist to me. Unless it was just a fucking coincidence that she just so happened to pick the dark toddler to dance to 50 cent
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Could you provide links please?
 
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Principate

Saint Titanfall
kvothe said:
What circumstantial evidence?

Edit: you said in your previous post that people have never seen a black newborn. Have you ever seen a white newborn? Many resemble the ones in those pictures.
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No shit Sherlock. Why do you think the people cupsble made a snap chat title little Satan's with the babies dancing to rap music?

What on earth sort of message/portrayal do you think they were going for even if they were white.

But yes let's continue this paper thin circus.
 
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ResidentWeevil13

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Surfinn said:
http://jacksonville.com/news/public...hospital-removes-employees-patient-care-after

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...rbing-photos-with-newborns-go-viral/476839813

Both of those articles say "a baby"
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Can you quote the part where it says the baby was a person of color? I honestly can't tell from the picture.

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Vermillion

Banned
Surfinn said:
http://jacksonville.com/news/public...hospital-removes-employees-patient-care-after

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...rbing-photos-with-newborns-go-viral/476839813

Both of those articles say "a baby"
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They both separate "a baby" and "a newborn," implying multiple. In addition, the child doesn't exactly look black...

I say this knowing I was born light as fuck. But the baby in those images could actually be any race at all. There is, as it happens, no evidence of anything regarding skin color. At the moment.
 
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