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Nurse at Naval Hospital Taking Racist Photos with Newborns
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Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
It doesn't matter. What does matter is why people are so adamant to see if it's race related as if it adds any context. The action has been done, and all I'm hearing is "Yea she's horrible enough to fuck with a newborn, but at least she's not horrible enough to be a racist". There's something in this country that just refuses to let racism be. I understand your skepticism *actually, I dont* i can almost hear people screaming "Not everyone is out to get blacks!" It boggles the fuck out of me that no matter what the precursor Is, if you add "to a black person" immediate superstition applies.
Example: "Man robs and attacks passerby"
Forum: "Man that's awful, he should be locked up!
Example: "Man robs and attacks black man in hate crime
Forum: "Ok so he robbed him we know, but how do we know if it was because he's black????"
Do you see what it does to the crime/incident when you dismiss shit like this. To be clear, if it turns out this baby is whiter than shady, NOTHING CHANGES
skullmuffins
Banned
I mean it's more like
Example OP: "Man robs and attacks black man in hate crime"
Example Article linked in OP: "Man robs and attacks passerby" (no mention of race or hate crimes)
Forum: "OP, are you sure it's a hate crime? It doesn't say anything about that in the article you based your thread on"
Holy shit.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Co-signed.
Now, if the attacker was wearing an armband, had a history of racism, was saying racial epithets, or many other obvious indicators of racial motivation, then yes, it is obviously a hate crime. This is not obviously a hate crime. It is obviously a two dumbass girls with short patience and empathy in a job that requires both. They also committed the error in being rough with newborns, recording it, and putting it out there for the world to see.Nobody is ruling out the possibility of a hate crime, but without evidence, it seems like pre-emptive outrage and torch-lighting.
Fire them, remove any hope of them ever having a job with any sort of care of others, and fine them for HIPAA violations, etc. Jail time probably? Hate crime? Not seeing it without actual corroborating evidence.
Big Baybee
Member
My wife is 6 months pregnant....I would flip the fuck out if this shit was pulled with my newborn. Like, really flip the fuck out.
Also, nothing is ever racist unless a burning cross or swastika is involved. Fuck anyone who tries to justify this shit.
Also, nothing is ever racist unless a burning cross or swastika is involved. Fuck anyone who tries to justify this shit.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
With how quick to judgment this forum can be on a regular basis, it always bring me a chuckle that it's always racism that gets us the most patient of the "wait for facts" gaf.
ScaryShark
Banned
HIPAA violations alone can be criminal.
uncredited male
Member
Don't fuck around with other people's children. It is not hard, just look in the mirror and say, "I don't want to be a piece of shit today."
llien
Member
Is she doing it only with newborns of particular color?
Baby looks Caucasian to me (and I've attended birth of both my kids).
So if she really only picked up certain race kids, it's a rather unusual case of racism.
PS
Checked the video, not as sure anymore. As far as photo goes, that's how my kids looked like. A bit more blueish in the beginning, then pink.
Yaphett Kotto
Member
As much as I feel satisfied that the Navy will fuck their lives up as they should, I feel sad to say that there are plenty more people in the military like this or at least to a degree.
And to guve you a depth of how bad it can get, I work with a contractor and a guy in the Air Force who are both alt right.
Yea there isn't much of a blue line in the military. At least to a level where your officers will try to brush shit under a rug unless it's something trivial.
But that doesn't account for everything. One of my friends was a victim of severe verbal abuse and her boyfriend was not affected until he made social media posts about sabotaging her work. The military still has a ways to go.
And to guve you a depth of how bad it can get, I work with a contractor and a guy in the Air Force who are both alt right.
Yea there isn't much of a blue line in the military. At least to a level where your officers will try to brush shit under a rug unless it's something trivial.
But that doesn't account for everything. One of my friends was a victim of severe verbal abuse and her boyfriend was not affected until he made social media posts about sabotaging her work. The military still has a ways to go.
ghostwritingduck
Member
If the examples of this behavior were targeted at minorities, racism can be assumed to be a factor even if the nurses werent fully self aware of their racist views. I think the reason why this thread is so long is the redacted photos make it harder to see the race of the babies so you have the cautious gaffers siding with the purposefully dense gaffers.
howdyjacker
Member
It was done with a racist slant. They did it intentionally. Again, not going to get caught up in something so obvious that it should get more attention.
Her actions and the intent clearly and without a doubt show she (them) was going for a racist slant regardless the race of the babies.
I don't care if you ever get it, or you ever see racist overtones in obvious actions. It was done deliberately and maliciously. She deserves the maximum punishment for pulling such a stunt with someone's else's baby.
Norwegian Rudo
Member
There is literally nothing in the original stories that point to racism being more likely than that they hate babies and like 50 Cent.
Westbahnhof
Banned
Making a black baby dance to rap is racist.
The middle finger and everything else is unprofessional to varying degrees, some warranting a warning (middle finger), some calling for legal action (the whole not-holding-the-neck thing, for example).
That being said:
Why do so many here seem to see "mini-satans" as a racial slur? I've heard it used in German, English and Italian.
By parents, kindergarden teachers and primary school teachers.
Usually jokingly, at times frustrated.
In the singular always used for white kids, when talking about groups/classes used to describe a predominantly white mix.
Was writing down the word okay? No.
Even less okay was the middle finger, posting a picture of someone else's child to social media, and so on.
Not to mention the gross racism and child abuse in the video.
But, tl;dr is still: Don't be silly, "mini-satans" is not a slur.
The middle finger and everything else is unprofessional to varying degrees, some warranting a warning (middle finger), some calling for legal action (the whole not-holding-the-neck thing, for example).
That being said:
Why do so many here seem to see "mini-satans" as a racial slur? I've heard it used in German, English and Italian.
By parents, kindergarden teachers and primary school teachers.
Usually jokingly, at times frustrated.
In the singular always used for white kids, when talking about groups/classes used to describe a predominantly white mix.
Was writing down the word okay? No.
Even less okay was the middle finger, posting a picture of someone else's child to social media, and so on.
Not to mention the gross racism and child abuse in the video.
But, tl;dr is still: Don't be silly, "mini-satans" is not a slur.
The Faceless Master
Member
experience with it being used as a racial slur.
"i got followed in stores too when i was a teenager."
Since my first post in this thread I have been consistent that it's ridiculous for posters to show up in this thread for the sole purpose of complaining that the actions of the nurses wasn't racist, with little or no concern about the actions themselves, which IMO are horrible regardless and should be the first concern the average person has over having a racism debate. You're the one trying to turn this into a larger debate about racism making the actions "worse" that falls into the same bucket of conversation that shouldn't be the first thing someone wants to talk about when it comes to this story IMO.
Also, in general many people (especially in the US) mentally require that someone have hatred for individuals of different skin tones in order to believe someone did something racist vs understanding the concept of being able to perform a racist act regardless of if they did it intentionally or not. So you're not likely going to prove the actions were "worse" in this specific story when you're potentially dealing with people who want to see if these nurses had Nazi arm bands in their bags before calling the actions racist.
DrROBschiz
Member
fucking cowards going after babies
lowest form of human scum
it helps to read the OP
lowest form of human scum
it helps to read the OP
Westbahnhof
Banned
It's a term used for annoying/exhausting children.
I'm sure it can be used in a racist way, as much as any negative term, I'm just against the notion that usage implies racist usage, seeing how people jumped to that assumption before they had seen eveb the skin colour of the infant.
Btw, can anyone link to the picture itself? Can't find it.
TBiddy
Member
Which part of the OP supports the notion that she did this because of racism? There's no doubt that she should be fired. Messing with other peoples babies is one of the shittiest things you can do, but one of the kids looks to have the same color as my daughter did, when she was born 2 months ago..
As for the "mini-satan", it has been used for decades by people working with kids to vent their frustration. It's not a racist term.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
"Dad, I got robbed by this racist asshole, luckily I recorded it."
"That's great son, we'll get th-. Hold on now, I can't tell if this guy is an asshole or not. The footage isn't really clear"
"The fuck it matters, he robbed me?"
"Nah I get that, but if we're going to call this guy a robber, a racist, and an asshole, we gotta be 100% sure son, no regrets."
"I love you dad."
Westbahnhof
Banned
Mh, I was curious about the skin color of the sleeping baby, since it was only assumed, never mentioned.
Too bad.
I think this is a bad analogy, since the racist nurses' racism is part of what she should be punished for.
In your example, it doesn't change anything, but in this case, it severely changes the grossness of her words/actions.
TBiddy
Member
I think you missed the point.
Any Questions
Member
As a parent I would be very angry that my child had been involved in this charade. It's truly uncalled for and shows a totally pack of respect and dignity.
It's weird. People are arguing the race of the baby as if it isn't 100000% fucked if it ain't racist.
I really don't understand.
I don't know if it's because people don't care if something isn't racist or if people hate the claim of racism.
Meanwhile I'm maximum disgusted regardless.
I really don't understand.
I don't know if it's because people don't care if something isn't racist or if people hate the claim of racism.
Meanwhile I'm maximum disgusted regardless.
Westbahnhof
Banned
It's basically the discussion stupid vs malicious, which is she?
To me, the racist aspect would require a harsher punishment. That's why I think figuring it out is worth the time.
Guess I wouldn't be maximum disgusted if it wasn't racist.
But you are completely right, it doesn't really matter, it's a shit person acting like garbage no matter what.
And it's not "funny".
They're not nurses apparently.
They probably should not even be allowed to be there without supervision.
Nurse at my hospital got suspended for larking about on a trolley at work and posting it on FB. This shit would get you banned from working in any hospital at the bare minimum.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
Literally just had a judge acquit a cop because the black man he killed "Would probably have a gun anyway". Try to call a nurse racist though, we'll we gonna need forensics on this.
Tell me something, if this baby is any color other than white but not black, is it still racism?. If this baby is Spanish, do you think she should get the same punishment as if it was a black child?
Westbahnhof
Banned
If she was referring to a group of babies in that way because they share a skin color (or because they are all not a specific skin color, as in "a group of babies of colour"), or to phrase it simpler, "for racist reasons", then it is racism, yes.
And of course which color the skin is shouldn't matter, the discrimination itself is what should be discouraged via punishment.
Also, when I say that in this case, I think it's important to figure out if it was stupidity or maliciousness, don't try to apply this to a black man being shot by a cop.
It's not the same situation at all.
To answer question 1: I honestly had no idea, but seeing how my brown haired head was golden blonde at first, it makes sense.
About the second question: I don't think anyone doubts she knew.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Are people not aware that new born black babies often aren't born brown and that skin pigmentation comes a bit later. Do they think the nurse did not know the race of these babies?
There's no "arguement" to be had here.
There's no "arguement" to be had here.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
If the baby was black it was a racists things. If thats your go to question I'd seriously reasses your priorites.
Oh, i didn't know it was a black baby. It's hard to tell and it does not say that in the article. The baby looks kinda red to me and i didn't watch the original material.
I cannot watch the videos, because reading the story has made me rage into a ball of liquid anger and I want to leave the office go home and hug my baby and my wife.
That being said, These motherfuckers are evil.
They aren't stupid, any parent, from the richest to the poorest.
From the couple who adopt becuase for some reason they cannot have their own to the family with 15 kids and they forget their names because they move at lightspeed and they all look a little alike.
From the most far flung village to the height of metropolitan life knows one thing.
That child is the most precious thing in the world to them, and the idea of someone endangering their life in such a callous way will bring them very easily to abrupt and stunning violence.
Those fucks are evil, so the fact that people are arguing whether they are also racist blows my fucking mind. You are happy to have someone who literally flaps a newborn around like a puppet, but oh noes don't call them racist, that makes us all look bad?
FOH, I hope they get their whole lives wrung out, their friends lost, their family disowned.
Why because this world needs to actually have consequences for evil, cops who kill black people should never ever be cops.
Firemen who say I would rather save a dog than a n*****r, Should end up destitute.
Their should be consequences for your action and simply tutting and putting someone on review is not good enough.
We should all want to punch nazis. And Murderers and rapists and corporate executives who enable policies to screw over people for their short term gain.
God I am furious.
That being said, These motherfuckers are evil.
They aren't stupid, any parent, from the richest to the poorest.
From the couple who adopt becuase for some reason they cannot have their own to the family with 15 kids and they forget their names because they move at lightspeed and they all look a little alike.
From the most far flung village to the height of metropolitan life knows one thing.
That child is the most precious thing in the world to them, and the idea of someone endangering their life in such a callous way will bring them very easily to abrupt and stunning violence.
Those fucks are evil, so the fact that people are arguing whether they are also racist blows my fucking mind. You are happy to have someone who literally flaps a newborn around like a puppet, but oh noes don't call them racist, that makes us all look bad?
FOH, I hope they get their whole lives wrung out, their friends lost, their family disowned.
Why because this world needs to actually have consequences for evil, cops who kill black people should never ever be cops.
Firemen who say I would rather save a dog than a n*****r, Should end up destitute.
Their should be consequences for your action and simply tutting and putting someone on review is not good enough.
We should all want to punch nazis. And Murderers and rapists and corporate executives who enable policies to screw over people for their short term gain.
God I am furious.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
That's often how black babies look when they are newborn as I say in a post earlier.
They'd have to know real-life black people to know that. Otherwise, black people are just an abstraction - one they can conveniently sit and debate on as if the other actions in the video aren't reprehensible.
llien
Member
No, you need to see new born black babies, which is a completely different thing.
All newborn babies look pretty much like a tomato. Sure they might have been racists but isn't "just" abusing babies horrible and newsworthy enough?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
So a hypothetical person doesn't know what a black baby looks like new born but feels the need to question the race of the baby and say question if this was really racist.
Seems legit.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
"Can't we just leave the racism out of things. Why does everything have to be about race."
Principate
Saint Titanfall
She's a nurse she'd know the fucking race of these babies.
Why do you think she was forcing a black baby to dance to rap?
Goddamnit...