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Switched to android from iOS, immediately miss imessage :(

99Luffy

Banned
I still have no idea what anybody's point is in this thread.

I'm an iPhone user, as is my wife. The iPhone's text app is named Messages. Because we're both iPhone users, the messages are sent as iMessages..

My boss and work partner have Androids. We use group texts to communicate with no issue. Guess what, I use the Messages app and I can talk to Android people. I'm not locked to a platform or whatever.

I talk to a friend in Canada regularly, I don't know what type of phone they have, but the dreaded green bubbles don't stop the messages coming in. Messages app works fine and nobody's been extorted to buy an iPhone.
Maybe, maybe not. You really dont know when sending sms.
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For all you know the android guy using sms might actually be 10 messages behind everyone else and the conversation is out of order. With internet messaging everyone sees the same screen pretty much, the same way this thread will appear the same for everyone on GAF.

Whatsapp takes it even further. Check for sent, double check for delivered, double check in blue for message read.
 

kubev

Member
Are people here actually defending SMS as a viable way of communication in 2017!?

SMS is capable of a lot more than you probably think it is, especially since it can be used behind the scenes as a means of providing other functionality. Also, SMS merely requires that you have voice service, so you're actually able to use it when you don't have Internet connectivity. I can't speak for how SMS is used in tandem with other services now, as I haven't worked around that sort of stuff for years, but it'd be a shame if SMS wasn't still being used as a fallback to data services in certain respects in some areas, in my opinion.

Here's an interesting example of how SMS can be adapted for use as a substitute for data connectivity:

http://www.itproportal.com/2014/09/...es-a-reality-with-cosmos-browser-for-android/

That said, most people I text on a regular basis use iMessage, so I use the Messages app on iPhone. It works well, and the one or two people I know who don't use iMessage can still contact me seamlessly via SMS or MMS. I do wish that Windows Phone had caught on more, though, as I feel that its means of consolidating different types of messages was so much more interesting. Also, I miss Rooms. :(
 

mid83

Member
Maybe, maybe not. You really dont know when sending sms.


For all you know the android guy using sms might actually be 10 messages behind everyone else and the conversation is out of order. With internet messaging everyone sees the same screen pretty much, the same way this thread will appear the same for everyone on GAF.

Whatsapp takes it even further. Check for sent, double check for delivered, double check in blue for message read.

I’ve said it about a dozen times in this thread, but I’ll repeat it again because people seem to not get it.

All of these “look how much better WhatsApp is you ignorant Americans” posts are useless because WhatsApp is a platform that most of the people we know have never even heard of. WhatsApp’s superiority means nothing when we have nobody to talk to on it. We do and will continue to use whatever messaging solution allows us to talk to the people we know.
 

Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I've said it about a dozen times in this thread, but I'll repeat it again because people seem to not get it.

All of these ”look how much better WhatsApp is you ignorant Americans" posts are useless because WhatsApp is a platform that most of the people we know have never even heard of. WhatsApp's superiority means nothing when we have nobody to talk to on it. We do and will continue to use whatever messaging solution allows us to talk to the people we know.

Yep.

This thread, man.

I get it - there's a whole entire world that doesn't revolve around Americans, and WhatsApp (or WeChat... or LINE... or w/e) is 100% suitably fine for that 90% of the world - and that's great!

But in the US, nobody knows what WhatsApp is. So let's ignore it for the sake of the discussion, since it seems the OP is from the US and was sharing his grievance from a US-centric perspective. (Apologies if I'm mistaken - I admittedly haven't read every page).

As an iPhone user, you have iMessage. It's built in. It's robust. Every single iPhone has it. It works SUPER well with other iPhones. But if you want to group chat with another set of iPhones, a mix of iOS and Android, or heck, with all Android users - you still use iMessage. And it still works perfectly. Seamlessly. It requires zero additional effort. And you will receive messages back just fine, too.

However, on the Android side - there are multiple messaging apps. Samsung has a messenger. Google has a new one every other year. I bought an S8 and for whatever reason all my texts were going to one app, groups to another, and replies seemed to bounce between them both. The built-in Google default app, from what I could tell, used archaic SMS or something still inferior to Apple's iMessage. Videos were hyper low-bit. Gifs didn't play. Replies were broken up across multple bubbles. And because manufacturers like to use their messaging app, Google is always pushing a new one, and heck, even carriers have some - on top of the bunch of options on the Play Store - there's no synergy between different Android experiences. And most importantly, it always requires something different to send (data or wifi of voice line), and/or it stuggles to have interoperability with tablets and computers; whereas if you are in Apple's ecosystem, your messages are always synced between all devices. And so long as your phone is near, regular, android-based green bubble texts, too.
 

Aim_Ed

Member
Is there a solution somewhere in this thread to OP's problem?

I've been an android lifer so I didn't know imessage was a separate entity from ordinary texting. I only switched to WhatsApp because family and I have a lot of long distance contacts. I still use SMS with a lot of my friends.

As with OP I feel like he has two choices, revert back to iOS, or deal with it. But I'm genuinely interested in other solutions that don't include telling his entire family to get WhatsApp(if there are any.)
 

Syntsui

Member
It boggles my mind that there are human beings on this planet that still don't use WhatsApp.

United States is a case to be studied.
 

Bulzeeb

Member
south american here, and everyone here uses whatsapp, in fact, my country offers free whatsapp and facebook data trafic when you buy a data plan and a limited amount of sms, also, my whatsapp is filled with audio responses (which I hate) and lots of videos that wont work on SMS. Even iphone users have the same conditions here when using whatsapp which is why it is so popular.

Edit: I guess that SMS are only used for small responses and to tell others that you wull reply back once you get internet connection (3G, 4G, Wifi), I guess this is another U.S vs the rest of the world, like they refusal to use the metric system
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
I feel like this thread is going in circles and I’m really not sure what else there is to say.

It boggles my mind that there are human beings on this planet that still don't use WhatsApp.

United States is a case to be studied.

I have it right now, but my only contact is my Dad because he’s traveling in China. Who do I talk to?

The US uses texting because you literally have to have a person’s phone number to call them, which also lets you send them messages.

I use Facebook messenger because everyone else is there, because everyone uses Facebook and by default has messenger.
 

HiiiLife

Member
the only time I've ever heard of someone using WhatsApp was when the kids mom in HS turned off her phone and that's what she had to use.


Other than that it's been iMessage, and haven't met anyone else who uses it (WhatsApp)
 

Jzero

Member
It boggles my mind that there are human beings on this planet that still don't use WhatsApp.

I only use it to talk to Mexicans.

For all you know the android guy using sms might actually be 10 messages behind everyone else and the conversation is out of order. With internet messaging everyone sees the same screen pretty much, the same way this thread will appear the same for everyone on GAF.
This explains everything, no wonder messages from people using iOS are always super late and out of order. Some even show up as being sent in the past lol.
 

Rur0ni

Member
Yep.

This thread, man.

I get it - there's a whole entire world that doesn't revolve around Americans, and WhatsApp (or WeChat... or LINE... or w/e) is 100% suitably fine for that 90% of the world - and that's great!

But in the US, nobody knows what WhatsApp is. So let's ignore it for the sake of the discussion, since it seems the OP is from the US and was sharing his grievance from a US-centric perspective. (Apologies if I'm mistaken - I admittedly haven't read every page).

As an iPhone user, you have iMessage. It's built in. It's robust. Every single iPhone has it. It works SUPER well with other iPhones. But if you want to group chat with another set of iPhones, a mix of iOS and Android, or heck, with all Android users - you still use iMessage. And it still works perfectly. Seamlessly. It requires zero additional effort. And you will receive messages back just fine, too.

However, on the Android side - there are multiple messaging apps. Samsung has a messenger. Google has a new one every other year. I bought an S8 and for whatever reason all my texts were going to one app, groups to another, and replies seemed to bounce between them both. The built-in Google default app, from what I could tell, used archaic SMS or something still inferior to Apple's iMessage. Videos were hyper low-bit. Gifs didn't play. Replies were broken up across multple bubbles. And because manufacturers like to use their messaging app, Google is always pushing a new one, and heck, even carriers have some - on top of the bunch of options on the Play Store - there's no synergy between different Android experiences. And most importantly, it always requires something different to send (data or wifi of voice line), and/or it stuggles to have interoperability with tablets and computers; whereas if you are in Apple's ecosystem, your messages are always synced between all devices. And so long as your phone is near, regular, android-based green bubble texts, too.
Ding ding.

It's unfortunate. As far as progress on this front for Android, I really believe Google will right the ship with cross carrier RCS. By next summer I expect the landscape to be quite a bit different (as in most major carriers onboard), unfortunately I don't have a lot of faith in Apple to implement it and make it a good experience for everyone, though the business use case may drive them since businesses will have the opportunity to send rich messages via RCS. Keeping hope alive for that.
 

Rourkey

Member
Yer iMessage is a killer app for me, literally all my friends are in iMessage, only my family are on Android

I am in Europe and use WhatsApp for groups although still use iMessage for a number of groups. I dong suppose it would be too difficult to just use WhatsApp but we all generally prefer iMessage to use
 

DOWN

Banned
In America people use iMessage (or SMS if on Android) and then the backup when something is wrong is Facebook Messenger. WhatsApp is dead to anyone who’s friends and family are within the USA.
 

studyguy

Member
Honestly I just use sms 90% of the time. Idk it never seems like a big deal. My messages in circles are never that crazy though so it's never an issue.
 

Orbis

Member
Why the fuck is this thread still going
I have no idea. This always seems to happen, "oh I have a problem with Skype", cue 100 responses of "lol why aren't you using Discord?". WhatsApp is ideal for me but absolutely useless to most Americans. What's the point of recommending it if there would be nobody to talk to?
 

KeRaSh

Member
This thread made me realize that Apple won't have to do shit for their future phones to keep people buying them. As long as it has iMessage people in the US will flock to iPhones because otherwise they would be cut off from communicating with anyone.
 
I wouldn’t use WhatsApp because it’s owned by Facebook, Facebook is hot garbage and their CEO has an incredibly punchable face.
 

ikuze

Member
I think LINE is better than WhatsApp.
And I make everyone who wants to talk to me use it. Someday the world will be a better place. Fuck SMS
 
er...unlimited texting has not been around for ever, more like a few years and was not common when WhatsApp first launched. Also unlimited texting does not generally include MMS.
I’ve had unlimited sms for years... as long as I can remember.
Yeah they don’t include mms. Been stung there a lot.
 
You trust your mobile network provider more?

Especially when one of the buzz terms in Telco is monetisation of user data.
iMessage is encrypted end to end. I’m pretty sure my provider can’t see it. SMS texts sure.

I certainly trust Apple more than Facebook when it comes to selling user data.
 
For all you know the android guy using sms might actually be 10 messages behind everyone else and the conversation is out of order. With internet messaging everyone sees the same screen pretty much, the same way this thread will appear the same for everyone on GAF.

Whatsapp takes it even further. Check for sent, double check for delivered, double check in blue for message read.

In 9 years of Android use this has never been an issue for me.

I do prefer fb messenger (mostly so I can type from a real keyboard if I am home or at work) and the ability to see if something has been read is nice, but the lack on SMS has literally never been a factor in anything.
 
So is WhatsApp.

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WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted by default through Open Whisper’s open-source Signal protocol. Only messages in-transit are protected, however. While the messages might be secured and unreadable, at least without heavy cooperation from WhatsApp, the company still retains and stores chat logs, even after they’ve been deleted. iOS researcher Jonathan Zdziarski found that data from those chat logs can be restored if anyone gains physical access to a device. WhatsApp also shares some individual data, including phone numbers, with Facebook.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/10...ging-services-signal-imessage-president-trump
 

KeRaSh

Member
WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted by default through Open Whisper’s open-source Signal protocol. Only messages in-transit are protected, however. While the messages might be secured and unreadable, at least without heavy cooperation from WhatsApp, the company still retains and stores chat logs, even after they’ve been deleted. iOS researcher Jonathan Zdziarski found that data from those chat logs can be restored if anyone gains physical access to a device. WhatsApp also shares some individual data, including phone numbers, with Facebook.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/10...ging-services-signal-imessage-president-trump

Good to know. Thanks for the heads up.

My dank memes are not safe anymore! :(
 
how many times do we have to have this thread about how whatsapp is so good and americans are stupid

Or maybe most Americans have never heard of it? I haven't seen a compelling argument to why I should get my entire social circle to switch, and if there was one there's no way I could convince them because then they'd have to get their entire social circles to switch too.
 
Or maybe most Americans have never heard of it? I haven't seen a compelling argument to why I should get my entire social circle to switch, and if there was one there's no way I could convince them because then they'd have to get their entire social circles to switch too.

I get that this is how it is in America but the argument for why the 3rd party app is better is that it is universal.

In europe people use whatsapp. Yes you have to download it but people download tons of apps. You download facebook, twitter, instagram. Its not a big deal. Because of this we have a communication app that is equal across platforms.

In the USA you use iMessage and messages (android) Its advatange is that if you send a message using this to a phone number they should definately get the message. However if you are not on iPhone your functionality is very limited and it creates a system where people look down on a group of people simply for not wanting an iPhone.

Basically with WhatsApp everyone wins but with the small caveat that you ALL have to download the app for it.

But I get it, iMessage is too popular in the states and like many things, once its got a foothold it becomes a very hard thing to change.

Basically if you have an iPhone and don't see the point in whatsapp when you have iMessage because you can do what it does and dont care that your contacts on android dont recieve your messages properly (or cant send you the same type of messages back) its a rather selfish way to look at things. It also empowers Apple which is in no ones best interest.

I get why you use it because no one else there uses whatsapp. But the reason people above give seems silly.
 
I’ve said it about a dozen times in this thread, but I’ll repeat it again because people seem to not get it.

All of these “look how much better WhatsApp is you ignorant Americans” posts are useless because WhatsApp is a platform that most of the people we know have never even heard of. WhatsApp’s superiority means nothing when we have nobody to talk to on it. We do and will continue to use whatever messaging solution allows us to talk to the people we know.
Yup.
 
iMessage has some nice features, but I spend the majority of my messaging time in whatsapp because it's free for everyone regardless of platform.

Not sure why this is so difficult for people to comprehend.
 

ty_hot

Member
Well, as I posted before, the marketshare is almost 50/50 in the USA, if all your family and friends are on iphone, fine, but ofc someone else is in the exact opposite side of the things (they are on Android). Do people that have Android only SMS nowadays? After thinking about it more, it feels like the people with Android are the ones to blame lol.

In my last 20 conversations 15 have some kind of photo/video/gif/location/contact sent.
 

Jules

Neo Member
I switched to Android in May and everyone I now is pretty much apple. I don't miss the imessage, can still do group messages so i'm not sure what you're missing. I think it's actually comical that when someone sends a message with an effect, it's in parentheses.
(sent with slam effect) :)
 
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