Brian_FETO
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Zack Ryder got himself over on YouTube and they didn't do anything with him
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Sweeney Tom
Banned
It's almost like both Vinces are wrong!
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What value was it Ryder had getting over on Youtube? It didn't make a difference.
The fans didn't do anything with him. They tried. Simply weren't enough of them.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
half a moon
Banned
Cesaro is not good enough to be the top guy and neither is Roman.
I think I've upset Dato. And if I have, I apologize.
Do you hear that, Data West? I'm sorry. I only want to rub you the right way.
yeah but Roman
was given everything by the booking
SallyIsNow
Banned
Weren't the fans chanting for Ryder during some Cena/Rock seg once?
It's a colloquial thing, the talking point is what should fuck off, not you.
Jinder has been given a relative eternity to connect and draw. Jason Jordan has been given a relative eternity to draw. They gave up on Cesaro in two weeks flat. That barely even qualifies as a college try.
excelsiorlef
Member
And was still actually booked poorly.
Thats the irony in this. Even when they do believe in a guy they tend to fuck it up.
exactly, that's why talent doesn't matter BECAUSE IT'S A FAKE FUCKING SPORT AAAAAH
SilentMike03
Neo Member
Cena said a lot of the same things he always says about the talking and I come away with mixed feelings on a lot of it. His bootstrapper mentality strikes me as someone who's been on top for so long that he's out of touch. His stance that he doesn't bury people also struck me as him being naive. Oh the reason you flounder after a feud with John isn't because it made you look like a fucking joke, it's because you didn't try hard enough to keep that fire going after. Every time John talks about burying people I immediately think of that one image of the entire Wyatt family destroyed hanging off the cage.
Yep, you totally didn't make them out to be jobbers. They just didn't try hard enough. The roster doesn't take enough risks? Have we forgotten how in February that Braun got chewed out by Vince because he said the words "title shot" instead of "title match" at an episode of Raw? This is an environment that encourages risk taking? I don't think so.
They chanted for him during Rocks post-match comeback speech at Survivor Series that year.
Brian_FETO
Banned
Same thing as Ziggler getting a lot of support when he wasn't on TV
It helped that for the most part things were abysmal at that time
nah dude he didn't "try" hard enough that's why he never made it
you know, if Hank would've tried harder in Breaking Bad he would've won in the end! just stand up to the director and say NO!
Lmao
Brian_FETO
Banned
One time John Cena was gonna lose a match but he did such a good job that Vince let him win
True story
True story
SilentMike03
Neo Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-V_dvQ5rFk
This guy didn't connect with the crowd. It had nothing to do with the fact that once he got over, they immediately killed him by turning him heel with Paul Heyman. Remember all those promos that Heyman did for Cesaro where he did nothing but talk about Lesnar? He got over and they killed him.
This guy didn't connect with the crowd. It had nothing to do with the fact that once he got over, they immediately killed him by turning him heel with Paul Heyman. Remember all those promos that Heyman did for Cesaro where he did nothing but talk about Lesnar? He got over and they killed him.
"You can get over wherever you go but here it's different, it's the big leagues!!!!!"
blackaroni
Member
When is Samoa Joe coming back? Is it when Cena leaves for Transformers? Convenient...but smart.
slightconfuse
Banned
Really hope roh puts the strap on Suzuki
BewareTheBatsie
Member
Joe vs Cena would be a great match but with the way most Cena feuds nowadays go, I hate to see what the feud would be like.
I'm just imagining Joe cutting an amazing promo on how he's going to beat Cena down and end him while Cena does his big smile to the crowd while talking an improvised line at the end of every line Joe says.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
"I guess you can finally make an IMPACT here, huh Joe?"
SallyIsNow
Banned
Still salty Bray technically won the Orton feud. Should have been another L
He's injured, right?
Highly unlikely. Unless he loses it at the next NJPW show.
Brian_FETO
Banned
"You ain't even the strongest Samoan on this show!"
"You just a second-rate Tazz!"
"I work hard!"
blackaroni
Member
Yuck...Sounds about right.
Shooooooooot. simpsons.gif *Funkmaster Flex bomb sound effects*
Allegedly.
Yes, he's injured.
SallyIsNow
Banned
Plus the Joe feud would be after he loses to Roman. So we gotta make Cena whole again.
I think the main reason why Cena's words are hollow is because we've already had someone say the complete opposite of him. And unlike Edge or Cena, who are essentially boot lickers, Batista has always been a pretty straightforward guy. And if the dude who's basically the next biggest star after Cena in the past decade and a half tells you that times today are very different from when he was there - the time Cena went to the top in the first place - it's obvious it has little to with stepping up. He was only there for 3 or so months in 2014 and noted that restrictions were a lot heavier now.
Booking and talent are a collaborative effort. It doesn't matter how talented you are if the booking doesn't follow through. Hell, both Strowman and Styles are perfect examples of this.
Styles was floundering in his first couple months when he was feuding with Jericho. I remember because even I thought he was bland and boring. He then got one big feud after another back to back with Reigns, Cena, and Ambrose, where WWE made a concentrated effort to make him look like he mattered. He wasn't being beaten like a nobody, and that was all she wrote. Of course, he also impressed, but he wouldn't be where he was now if Reigns, Cena, and Ambrose all pinned him one after the other.
Strowman was busy bending jobbers over backwards, and was still a bore, until he started breaking Roman Reigns in two and all of a sudden, he seemed and felt a lot more important. Because he in a feud with the top guy, and not only looked competitive, but looked like he was near impossible to beat. His only defeat essentially booked as a fluke by Reigns capitalizing on a mistake.
Yes, it's up to talent to deliver, but it's ultimately up to the creative team behind the scenes to handle most of the presentation. Granted, not everyone will be that guy who can survive at the top, but it's not like they've been giving everyone the kind of push they gave to Sheamus and Del Rio. (Relentless booking for two guys who ultimately were still midcarders in terms of how they felt.)
Some of these guys (Styles, Strowman, Joe) have clearly shown they just needed that elevation in terms of presentation. I don't expect any of them to be replacements for the top guy, but they absolutely can be mainstays in the upper card. And really, that's half the battle won for the product. You don't need just one guy at the very top. You can have that, but also another dozen guys who are all appealing because they're not used as fodder for the top guy to run through on a monthly basis.
This is kind of why I feel they made a mistake with not sending Balor to SDL. Jinder is obviously a short-term thing, whereas they could've used these past six months into cementing Balor as a top talent. That would just be one more guy with credibility at the top, and he's bound to be around a few years yet.
Booking and talent are a collaborative effort. It doesn't matter how talented you are if the booking doesn't follow through. Hell, both Strowman and Styles are perfect examples of this.
Styles was floundering in his first couple months when he was feuding with Jericho. I remember because even I thought he was bland and boring. He then got one big feud after another back to back with Reigns, Cena, and Ambrose, where WWE made a concentrated effort to make him look like he mattered. He wasn't being beaten like a nobody, and that was all she wrote. Of course, he also impressed, but he wouldn't be where he was now if Reigns, Cena, and Ambrose all pinned him one after the other.
Strowman was busy bending jobbers over backwards, and was still a bore, until he started breaking Roman Reigns in two and all of a sudden, he seemed and felt a lot more important. Because he in a feud with the top guy, and not only looked competitive, but looked like he was near impossible to beat. His only defeat essentially booked as a fluke by Reigns capitalizing on a mistake.
Yes, it's up to talent to deliver, but it's ultimately up to the creative team behind the scenes to handle most of the presentation. Granted, not everyone will be that guy who can survive at the top, but it's not like they've been giving everyone the kind of push they gave to Sheamus and Del Rio. (Relentless booking for two guys who ultimately were still midcarders in terms of how they felt.)
Some of these guys (Styles, Strowman, Joe) have clearly shown they just needed that elevation in terms of presentation. I don't expect any of them to be replacements for the top guy, but they absolutely can be mainstays in the upper card. And really, that's half the battle won for the product. You don't need just one guy at the very top. You can have that, but also another dozen guys who are all appealing because they're not used as fodder for the top guy to run through on a monthly basis.
This is kind of why I feel they made a mistake with not sending Balor to SDL. Jinder is obviously a short-term thing, whereas they could've used these past six months into cementing Balor as a top talent. That would just be one more guy with credibility at the top, and he's bound to be around a few years yet.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
lol help im dying
FlammableD
Banned
avengers23
Banned
I don't fanboy about much, especially in pro graps.
I am a Kento Miyahara fanboy because he's a God damned ace. Look at the charisma, the personality. http://twitter.com/mortenvh/status/911349850045865984.
I am a Kento Miyahara fanboy because he's a God damned ace. Look at the charisma, the personality. http://twitter.com/mortenvh/status/911349850045865984.
slightconfuse
Banned
SallyIsNow
Banned
He's got a pretty sweet look. He should figure out a better hair situation tho.
FlammableD
Banned
Huh, that is wierd AF. Have they just reopened his old store? http://www.prowrestlingtees.com/drewgulak
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
Theme for the event.
GWF 8: The 4th Quarter
Date: Wednesday, September 27th, 2017
Time: 7:00PM Eastern/6:00PM Central/12:00AM London
Where: Live from the Z-Pak Zone on www.twitch.tv/sephzilla - Replay will be available on YouTube
DOUBLE MAIN EVENT
Pre-Show Match (Tune in early to catch the action!)
Proteus vs korly vs UrbanDandy vs Sweeney Tom
Friend Proteus makes his GWF debut against three respected GWF superstars! What way to kick off the night
Tag Team Match
Tom Nook & RecRoulette vs FlammableD & Hasney
Nintendo Certification meets up against the new British Invasion of GWF! Will this match have implications in the GWF tag division? Watch and find out!
Singles Match
giancarlo123x vs serenewarfare
Smack talk following GWF7 prompted what ended up being a matchup of two GWF newcomers.
Hardcore Match
Sinatar vs Sephzilla
After feeling like he was robbed in his opening match, and was being dodged by the boss, Sinatar has finally gotten his request for a no-holds-barred contest against the boss himself.
Triple Threat Match
DMczaf vs Pikma vs FallingEdge
A match that includes three GWF superstars whom the front office is very high on in the World Title picture. Rumors are swirling that the victor of this match might get pushed to the front of the GWF World Title picture.
Main Event Part 1
Hell in a Cell GWF Tag Team Championship Match
The New Nation of Domination (Bronx-Man & Kornflayx) vs The Huggers of Destruction (Zach & Biggest-Geek-Ever) [C]
Beefy is banned from ringside! The grudge match from the hottest feud in the GWF tag division. This time there will be no outside interference and everything goes in this tornado tag match inside a Hell in a Cell
Main Event Part 2
Hell in a Cell GWF B+ Championship Match
Tall4Life vs RBH [C]
The latest, and potentially final, chapter in what has by some been considered the greatest feud in GWF history. These two have crossed paths multiple times dating all the way back to GWF1, with Tall4Life winning the first two confrontations at GWF1 and GWF4 respectfully. RBH planned his retaliation well, however, first by interfering in Tall4Life's GWF5 match. Following that, RBH's first victory over Tall4Life ended up costing Tall4Life the GWF B+ Championship in a triple threat match at GWF6 when RBH pinned the champ clean in the middle of the ring. Following a title defense against Syder at GWF6, RBH and Tall4Life will once again renew their epic rivalry this time in the confines of Hell in a Cell.
Side notes
-- This match card was written up about a month ago but got postponed for life reasons. Since I was originally wanting smaller and more frequent shows, that's why the GWF World Title is absent from the card
-- Main event for GWF9 has already been determined to be Professor Beef vs BewareTheBatsie
-- Tall4Life and Beefy are the last former champs who get rematch clauses
What are cell matches even like in 2k17?
BewareTheBatsie
Member
gulak has been wearing a shirt for ages now that has not been sold on the wwe store yet but has the wwe logo on it and looks like something they'd sell
did the guy just make his own shirt????
did the guy just make his own shirt????
Sweeney Tom
Banned
I've noticed in the ROH era there's never been as many "oh hey, there's a PPV tonight" reactions as there have been during this year of Cody-headlined shows
SallyIsNow
Banned
I don't even know what this mean, Thomas.
Eh, it feels about the same level of irrelevant as when Lethal was champ.