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Shin Megami Tensei HD news coming on October 23
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You are basically right, even if I wouldn't call SMT a spin-off of Megami Tensei.
First there were the novels, Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei, then the first two Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei games, developed by Atlus and edited by Namco (spelled Namcot at the time for Famicom games). Then Atlus became their own editor for Shin Megami Tensei on Super Famicom.
The first Persona is named Megami Ibunroku: Persona in Japan and was inspired by the success of Shin Megami Tensei If... on Super Famicom, a spin-off of SMT taking place in a highschool setting for the first time.
Megami Tensei = Reincarnation of the Goddess.
Shin Megami Tensei = True Reincarnation of the Goddess.
Megami Ibunroku = Other Tales of the Goddess.
The first Devil Survivor is also named Megami Ibunroku: Devil Survivor in Japan.
Nah Fate is different. I can see how it looks the same if people aren't familiar with the behind the scenes business stuff. Fate is a Type-Moon franchise that they license out to collaborate with anyone who has a good idea. Fate/Extella is a Marvelous initiative with Type-Moon and has nothing to do with Aniplex or Sony at all. Prisma Illya is another example of an anime product that has nothing to do with Aniplex because the relationship is formed through Kadokawa's manga product. Aniplex's association with Fate is mostly through their Ufotable productions, and we can see that relationship translate to Ufotable also animating the new OP sequences when they ported the original game to Vita.
Other comparisons in the Aniplex/GamePublisher relationship can be see in Tales Of games and God Eater.
Yeah well, turns out fans are stupid. Who knew?!
freeofgreed
Member
That was from the switch direct. But I definitely don't take that to mean it's a remake it's simply a reference to it being an HD SMT game.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yeah I know all this, but there's a reason why every single fate game and numerous remakes has hit play station platforms up to that point (it's far more linked than persona was to that point). Sony also publishes Fate Grand Order. Persona also has a 3DS series so it's clearly not all that tied up so I disagree completely.
Yes it's a platform for HD systems, as opposed to 3DS. The game was never called "SMT HD" or anything like that. It was always "Newest entry in SMT series".
No you don't even understand what I'm talking about. It's not "legacy" it's about promotional benefits and marketing. When games are exclusive to Sony platforms, there is motivation for Sony partners to help push the brand even harder in the ways they can. There is a Persona 5 TV anime coming from Aniplex next year. So no, it's not legacy when Persona 5 is concerned. There's a reason why even the dancing spinoffs are still on Vita and not Switch. It's not a "coincidence" at all.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Well, as pointed out above, apparently there is more to it than just fans stupidity.
You gotta admit that it's just a little weird to introduce it as a HD project like its a new thing for the series, when SMT has already had 2 HD games (Persona 5, SMTxFE)
Cell_Biology
Member
Can't wait. I still need to beat SMTIV:A.
Is there really?
Merchandise
Member
Maybe Nintendo and Sony cut a deal to let each other have SMT/Persona 5 
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Neither of those are Shin Megami Tensei games...
It seems Son of Sparda is doing a lot of learning today.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Atlus had a part in that. I mean fans weren't the only ones that thought HD was part of the project's name. Gaming outlets thought the same.
Crankshaft
Member
SMT HD sounds like a project codename. Maybe it's called "HD project" because at the time the name "Switch" wasnt announced yet when they started on it
If you're asking me if I think Siliconera is dumb I would say yes?
Edit: I don't know if you're really this ignorant about this or if you're throwing in the US/JP title confusion just for kicks. Lol.
AcademicSaucer
Member
I wonder if they are going to use the same 3D models that are in that mobile game
The Cartographer
Member
''Shin Megami Tensei for Switch'' is a good self explanatory and idiot proof title, Atlus should consider using it.
Why not use models from Persona 5?
Why not use models from Persona 5?
rofl
SciencePilot
Member
I'm pretty excited to see what this is. I'm half expecting it to look entirely different from the trailer, kinda like how #FE was totally unexpected. I guess we'll see though!
ASilentProtagonist
Member
Would they not be able to use the P5 assets?
What if it's for more than Switch tho?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yeah I do understand that. My point those things don't preclude other versions of the gamw same way Sony marketing destiny does not preclude the Xbox versions. It's just profitable business (I mean they're not even in tow same subdivision).
It may have been the deal but that's just an assumption on your end.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Atlus Japan has never once called Persona "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona". That branding was only ever used in the west (and it's even been dropped there for the past 5 years or so).
Dark Cloud
Member
Unless it's not Switch exclusive lol
The Cartographer
Member
Playing SMT for Switch on PS4 and other systems would be even better.
I never once said that there is an ironclad deal that makes it exclusive. I'm saying that the investment in assisted marketing is what informs platform choices for publishers in Japan because of added benefits. The main point is that it is not a -coincidence- at all.
Son Of Sparda
Member
I always thought Persona was a spin-off from SMT series, no? Don't they share a lot of similarities from gameplay and combat to demon/enemy design? Weren't the earlier games officially called SMT: Persona?
I don't follow SMT series that much, but as a Persona fan I always thought Persona was part of the bigger SMT series.
Edit:
Huh, didn't know that. I always thought it was the other way around. That western branch dropped SMT branding because Persona grew bigger than SMT in the west. (I'm sure I had heard that before in one of the Persona threads on GAF)
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
"Shin Megami Tensei" refers only to the mainline series. Persona shares some gameplay similarities and features, but it's considered a separate series (as are Devil Survivor, Devil Summoner, etc). There's a connective tissue, but when "Shin Megami Tensei" is said, it's referring only to the main series, not the whole MegaTen franchise.
And no, no games were ever called "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona" in Japan. Only in the west because Atlus US wanted to make clear that the titles were all linked together to western fans who weren't very familiar with any of the titles at the time.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
True and that's what mt arguejent was while there'a plenty going for it, it's not like properties closeslt linked with aniplex have not done so. That's all.
In Japan, the way it is communicated is very specific. Yes the games all have the same demons, share lots of similarities, and target fans of occult RPGs. But Shin Megami Tensei itself is never used on anything but the main series itself. SMT, SMT2, SMT If, SMT NINE, SMT Imagine, SMT3, SMTSJ, SMT4, SMT4A, and SMT DSJ. These are all the SMT games there are. The rest are not "SMT" games but similar Atlus games.
NeonZ
Member
This post addressed the original Japanese names, but everyone seemed to just overlook it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=249754299&postcount=152
Megami Tensei was used for the original novel based game and its Atlus original sequel, then "Shin Megami Tensei" for the completely Atlus created game series. Persona was originally called "Megami Ibunroku Persona" (and the same was done with the first Devil Survivor), although never Shin Megami Tensei itself.
There is the oddity of the first Devil Summoner being called Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner, but then that title was dropped afterwards starting from Soul Hackers. But that's the only exception in the Japanese side.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=249754299&postcount=152
Megami Tensei was used for the original novel based game and its Atlus original sequel, then "Shin Megami Tensei" for the completely Atlus created game series. Persona was originally called "Megami Ibunroku Persona" (and the same was done with the first Devil Survivor), although never Shin Megami Tensei itself.
There is the oddity of the first Devil Summoner being called Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner, but then that title was dropped afterwards starting from Soul Hackers. But that's the only exception in the Japanese side.
Crankshaft
Member
Not to derail but I hope Atlus makes a SMT if remake at some point (and names it Persona 0)
Son Of Sparda
Member
Oh yeah I totally forgot about that. Yes, Devil Summoner 1 is a SMT game as far as they were concerned. It's also arguably the closest to traditional SMT at that time, so it makes sense. Much like how Persona came out of SMT If.
Persona Zero: A Shin Megami Tensei Story
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
a port/localization would be great but no dont rename it to that.
butman
Member
No. Yes. No. No.
TurnipFritters
Member
Persona Untold
There is nothing suggesting it's a remake, especially since the imagery presented so far doesn't track with any previous titles.
There is nothing suggesting it's a remake, especially since the imagery presented so far doesn't track with any previous titles.
I think you're forgetting a little something, m8. It's fine, I'd love to forget it as well.
Zombegoast
Member
I'm still questioning why Atlus never translated SMT 1+2 and the first Devil Summoner game.
Eolz
Member
mugurumakensei
Member
And has unfortunately not been updated for ios11
You don't wanna play DS1
Tell us more, since you seem to have information.
Laplasakos
Member
Is this your opinion based on what we know so far or you know something more?
The PSP version isn't bad. It's basically a worse, more obtuse version of the systems in Soul Hackers on 3DS. The story, music, and dungeons are all still pretty enjoyable though, I think.