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Dark Souls Mafia |OT| Git Gud or Die Trying

Though I also feel suspicious about anyone switching to my "train." WHAT A WORLD. How did we get here and can we get back on track? At this point I'm not sure there's anyone I don't think could be scum. That is quite a shift from the beginning of this phase.

I guess I feel mostly townie on rac. But even he has some not great vote practices. Saw, sorta.

I would like to invite the neutral to light me up. 😫
 

nin1000

Banned
ok let me lay it out

cm is about to come back to explain
there's votes for stan waiting
15 minutes after i vote you vote while there's still a relevant vote count on the same page
it just seems like the easiest buss ever
and then just to put it over the top it's also a mistake

I mean that's what I have been saying all along mate. But thanks for at least acknowledging it.
 

nin1000

Banned
Though I also feel suspicious about anyone switching to my "train." WHAT A WORLD. How did we get here and can we get back on track? At this point I'm not sure there's anyone I don't think could be scum. That is quite a shift from the beginning of this phase.

I guess I feel mostly townie on rac. But even he has some not great vote practices. Saw, sorta.

I would like to invite the neutral to light me up. 😫

How about going for Sawneeks then?
Her push towards muffin just reeks desperation
 
And, Saw, flip-flopping between me, Oreo and kitsune in such a sort span of time makes me think that you're not really the one to tell me that.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Both are in my scum list. One is not happening today, one could be.

Sitting on somebody who will not be voted by anybody else is the most unproductive you can be.

Nice try justifying a quick change towards my lynch though.

I didn't really say who I'd want to lynch today, did I?

I'm gonna go with Nin. Out of my Scum leans he seems the most definite to me. Much posting on D1, of which much was fluff with the argument to "get reactions". Seems very try-hard to appear active to me. And then Nin got pressured and almost lynched D1, and suddenly he's not active like that at all the entire rest of the game anymore. Looks like his plan how to play D1 backfired, and he was forced to change up tactics.

I'm also gonna have to think about my reads list more until next day. How people I see more as town (and who coincidentally are controlling most of the discussion and its direction) are jumping on the allegations against me (which are nothing new) suddenly is rather disconcerting. I doubt that town is talking themselves into it just like that.

VOTE: nin1000

Well, that's the problem. There aren't that many who I think are scum. There are too many who are just barely there for me.

We have Nin and Oreo who I already elaborated on. I'm gonna exclude Oreo from a possible lynch today for me, as I think that he might be the most likely neutral candidate and as the neutral ignited last night, isn't an immediate priority for me. There's also the fact that Scum hasn't accidently tried to NK the neutral yet, which could come in handy when the chance is constantly getting bigger that they do. So behaviour that might indicate that somebody is the neutral isn't as much as a concern to me today.

So Nin. The problem here is that it's entirely based on my read on him on D1 and his behaviour change starting then. Nothing of note has happened later. Well, besides the turbo which seemed accidental to me. Still my strongest scummy read, which speaks volumes for the amount of people who I can't classify.

The other people who I would be okay with if somebody pushed their lynch would be kitsune
and rac. Problem here is kitsune is mostly a gut read and rac is just a possibility for me because he's just there. I don't think he's acting scummy, and at that point I would be getting into meta-reading about how likely it is that scum is hiding under low activity. And I don't know how productive that would be.

So when you guys say (yeah, I know, now I'm getting into defending again, I'm sorry) my offense is bad that's because I'm genuinely lost besides the average scummy read I have on Nin.

Your scum reads? You mean the one where you're barely certain on Kits but seemed pretty dead on for lynching Nin as he was your most 'definite scum read'? But you're perfectly fine going with your 'iffy' read over your dead certain scum read just because one is trailing behind a bit.

yeah no
 
Hard turn? I don't think so. Is been a long few days for me but this day phase started or aggressive to get some actual reads on people. Is basically been the game for me minus day 3, mixed in with periods of lower activity.

Straight up, anyone using my activity as a reason to stay on kits is full of shit. Very convenient way to keep on with an easy mislynch.
 
Your scum reads? You mean the one where you're barely certain on Kits but seemed pretty dead on for lynching Nin as he was your most 'definite scum read'? But you're perfectly fine going with your 'iffy' read over your dead certain scum read just because one is trailing behind a bit.

yeah no

"Trailing behind a bit". Nobody has agreed with me on Nin at all! What are you even saying? When there are viable scum lynch choices, one should rather go all alone for ones strongest read even if that will amount to exactly nothing?
 
I have only seen her before as scum. So to me, un-Neeks is town.

But yes, the vote swaps are very weird. I like it about as much as I like FEP's hard defense for kitsunelaine. But if I start flip flopping right now the risk of fuckery is high. If instead I stay where I feel more confident, other dominos may fall.
 

nin1000

Banned
"Trailing behind a bit". Nobody has agreed with me on Nin at all! What are you even saying? When there are viable scum lynch choices, one should rather go all alone for ones strongest read even if that will amount to exactly nothing?

So many strong words yet no vote from you for her.

Are you both scum?
 
So many strong words yet no vote from you for her.

Are you both scum?

I'm questioning your sudden focus on her a bit. Makes me not want to go there.

But you're right that as she was a town-read before for me, I can't comprehend at all what she's doing right now. Not a good look.
 

nin1000

Banned
I'm questioning your sudden focus on her a bit. Makes me not want to go there.

But you're right that as she was a town-read before for me, I can't comprehend at all what she's doing right now. Not a good look.

Even the most town read player came out to be scum in other games.

Question everything and everyone
 

Sawneeks

Banned
How about going for Sawneeks then?
Her push towards muffin just reeks desperation

Her voting pattern in the last hour came off as very un-sawneeks. All over the place which does not really fits her.

Will go with my gut

Vote: Sawneeks

Un-Sawneeks compared to what? The past 3 - 4 games where I've been Scum?

"Trailing behind a bit". Nobody has agreed with me on Nin at all! What are you even saying? When there are viable scum lynch choices, one should rather go all alone for ones strongest read even if that will amount to exactly nothing?

Everything was equal in the vote count when I pointed that out and you went for Kits. If you felt that strongly about Nin I don't understand why you aren't still pushing for him and instead are going for the target of Kits just because she has more traction on her.
 
But yes, the vote swaps are very weird. I like it about as much as I like FEP's hard defense for kitsunelaine. But if I start flip flopping right now the risk of fuckery is high. If instead I stay where I feel more confident, other dominos may fall.

Says the person defending outed scum yesterday?
My mind is literally just blown. Leapt onto kits easily.

I've been pretty clear on this so far, but monkey is playing a hard oblivious and that is an actual antitown genuine scum tactics. That was saw last game, "sure this insanely antitown thing seems really scummy... but it could be town!"

Since when is keeping the vote active scummy? Is like the polar opposite. Rac looks great in my eyes now. Nin is looking good as well.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Muffin what I'm trying to say is, you conceded to voting for Kits despite not pushing for Nin, your 'stronger scum read' , at a time when you could and that looks to me like you actually don't care who gets lynched and are more apt to follow the popular lead.
 

squidyj

Member
kitsunelaine (3)
flatearthpandas 1229 (1272)
hey_monkey 1278
sawneeks 1379 (1427)
muffin1611 1435
oreomunsta 1446

muffin1611 (2)
flatearthpandas 1272
sawneeks 1289 (1376)
sawneeks 1447

nin1000 (1)
muffin1611 1325 (1435)
rac 1437

isaacnukem (0)
nin1000 1424 (1459)

oreomunsta (0)
sawneeks 1427 (1447)

sawneeks (1)
nin1000 1459

Day 4 ends:
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Automated vote tally here

5 votes for majority
 
Everything was equal in the vote count when I pointed that out and you went for Kits. If you felt that strongly about Nin I don't understand why you aren't still pushing for him and instead are going for the target of Kits just because she has more traction on her.

Because I'm smart enough to realize that even if nin is equal in the vote count (with one vote from me, wow!) nobody else is going to vote for him after all the discussion we had today.

Well except rac apparently.
 

nin1000

Banned
Because I'm smart enough to realize that even if nin is equal in the vote count (with one vote from me, wow!) nobody else is going to vote for him after all the discussion we had today.

Well except rac apparently.

Because deep inside they know that i am town
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Because I'm smart enough to realize that even if nin is equal in the vote count (with one vote from me, wow!) nobody else is going to vote for him after all the discussion we had today.

Well except rac apparently.

??

The only person I know of that was against a Nin lynch was myself: Monkey considered it, pretty sure FEP wasn't against it either, and Rac wasn't against it ( before he jumped on board with the vote ).

That hardly sounds like nobody.
 
Says the person defending outed scum yesterday?
My mind is literally just blown. Leapt onto kits easily.

I've been pretty clear on this so far, but monkey is playing a hard oblivious and that is an actual antitown genuine scum tactics. That was saw last game, "sure this insanely antitown thing seems really scummy... but it could be town!"

Since when is keeping the vote active scummy? Is like the polar opposite. Rac looks great in my eyes now. Nin is looking good as well.

So vote me. You've been shading me since early game but never voted there. Where's your pressure vote in midday? You said you'd push me today. You didn't. Where's your focus on the neutral today? You promised that, too. Wasn't it you in early game that said something about scum not delivering on promises?

Y'know, while we're on it, let's get real: I said CM lied and that I didn't trust him. There's a difference. I said today was probably going to be a mess. It is. It's getting messier by the moment. I can be wrong about things, lots of things in this game, and have been, and that's whatever. It's mafia. It runs on uncertainty. But if you're gonna shade me over and over, I'm looking for that vote tomorrow if you're not gonna do it today.
 
Here's a game solve:

Town:
Saw
Nin
Rac
Kits
Oreo

Scum:
Monkey
Muffin

Neutral:
Isaac

You're welcome

My strongest read is on monkey. More likely muffin is town than monkey, want to see monkey today if anyone is open. Neutral needs to go tomorrow and monkey flat out can't be the neutral.
 
??

The only person I know of that was against a Nin lynch was myself: Monkey considered it, pretty sure FEP wasn't against it either, and Rac wasn't against it ( before he jumped on board with the vote ).

That hardly sounds like nobody.

Monkey was giving me shit for a Nin vote. FEP just said that now apparently nin vote looks good (Why now and not before????) as in, that was not her opinion earlier and rac is the biggest null in the game.

I'm very sorry if I read the strong denial I was getting for the Nin vote seems overstated to me, but that's how I read it.
 
??

The only person I know of that was against a Nin lynch was myself: Monkey considered it, pretty sure FEP wasn't against it either, and Rac wasn't against it ( before he jumped on board with the vote ).

That hardly sounds like nobody.

Had a stronger case been made against nin, I might have voted there, yeah. I could see him as neutral. I don't see him as scum in this game, though. But we gotta kill all threats, so all threats are on the table.
 

nin1000

Banned
Here's a game solve:

Town:
Saw
Nin
Rac
Kits
Oreo

Scum:
Monkey
Muffin

Neutral:
Isaac

You're welcome

My strongest read is on monkey. More likely muffin is town than monkey, want to see monkey today if anyone is open. Neutral needs to go tomorrow and monkey flat out can't be the neutral.

You are a God! That's a pretty good list. Would switch some people but I like that list
 
So vote me. You've been shading me since early game but never voted there. Where's your pressure vote in midday? You said you'd push me today. You didn't. Where's your focus on the neutral today? You promised that, too. Wasn't it you in early game that said something about scum not delivering on promises?

Y'know, while we're on it, let's get real: I said CM lied and that I didn't trust him. There's a difference. I said today was probably going to be a mess. It is. It's getting messier by the moment. I can be wrong about things, lots of things in this game, and have been, and that's whatever. It's mafia. It runs on uncertainty. But if you're gonna shade me over and over, I'm looking for that vote tomorrow if you're not gonna do it today.
Because not enough time to switch now. You're coming up soon.
 
Because not enough time to switch now. You're coming up soon.

So in the two people who didn't come out for the Stan lynch, me vs kits, you're really gonna trust the person who just ignored it, then refused to participate, who misses things, who isn't trying to solve the game, who's tunneling.

k.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Here's a game solve:

Town:
Saw
Nin
Rac
Kits
Oreo

Scum:
Monkey
Muffin

Neutral:
Isaac

You're welcome

My strongest read is on monkey. More likely muffin is town than monkey, want to see monkey today if anyone is open. Neutral needs to go tomorrow and monkey flat out can't be the neutral.

But you list Muffin as Scum?

Monkey was giving me shit for a Nin vote. FEP just said that now apparently nin vote looks good (Why now and not before????) as in, that was not her opinion earlier and rac is the biggest null in the game.

I'm very sorry if I read the strong denial I was getting for the Nin vote seems overstated to me, but that's how I read it.

That's why you try for Nin, don't just accept the loss with a half hour left. But you didn't and instead are perfectly fine to sit on Kits.

and what does Rac being a null have to do with this?
 

squidyj

Member
Day 4 has ended.

There is a great deal of ash about the fire now. It chokes the air when the breeze picks up and attaches itself to every exposed surface.
Clothing, hair, skin, it finds its way into mouths and leaves a bitter taste lingering on tongues.
The sacrifices must continue, however. All remaining agree. It is merely a question of who to sacrifice.

kitsunelaine has died

Night 4 ends:
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Night actions may be submitted up to 2 hours before day start.
 
DAY 4 FINAL VOTE TALLY:

kitsunelaine (3) voted out
flatearthpandas 1229 1272
hey_monkey 1278
Sawneeks 1379 1427
Muffin1611 1435
oreomunsta 1446

Muffin1611 (2)
flatearthpandas 1272
Sawneeks 1289 1376
Sawneeks 1447

nin1000 (1)
Muffin1611 1325 1435
rac 1437

Sawneeks (1)
nin1000 1459

isaacnukem (0): nin1000 1424 1459

oreomunsta (0): Sawneeks 1427 1447

No active vote for Day 4: isaacnukem, kitsunelaine

Day 4 Postcount: flatearthpandas 38, hey_monkey 62, isaacnukem 20, kitsunelaine 13, Muffin1611 39, nin1000 37, oreomunsta 21, rac 25, Sawneeks 30
 

squidyj

Member
Day 5 begins
kXUinrN.mp4p


Life. It is slipping away from all of us. Some faster than others. Many of those who stood here in the beginning are already dead and those here might be soon to follow them.
For the undead a final release of death might seem blissful but without achieving anything what is it good for?
The flame remains unlinked. The age of dark is not here. The fair lady demands yet more humanity.
Rac dies. His task unfulfilled.

Rac has died. He was killed by Darkwraiths

Day 5 ends:
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Majority is whatever the majority is.
 
Makes sense. Barely read by anyone, so nothing to disrupt the way things were going yesterday, beneficial for scum.

Question is, I see oreo and isaac as pretty similar to rac. Why not one of them? Is scum hiding there?
 
That's why you try for Nin, don't just accept the loss with a half hour left. But you didn't and instead are perfectly fine to sit on Kits.

and what does Rac being a null have to do with this?

To answer this from the last day:

Well, rac being a null means that I'm barely able to read him, so anticipating where his vote goes would have been fruitless effort.

To summarize what I tried to explain yesterday:

The most vocal players, you and monkey were against my Nin push. Monkey had some suspicions about him being neutral, but heavily criticized my vote. You were completely against it, Saw.

FEPs statement about a Nin lynch looking good was out of left field for me. Racs vote was, as I said, unpredictable.

Nearing day end, I thought that I maybe could hope for one more vote from somebody at most. And that's not enough.

And yes, I was perfectly fine with kits. The only person besides Nin and oreo I had a anti-town read on, and oreo fell through because I think he's the neutral.

To act like I had some smoking gun on Nin but still voted kits is misrepresenting the situation. Back when I gave my reads, I explicitly said that I don't have strong negative reads, as is evident through kits making my scum #2 position based on a gut read and her rather dismissive playstyle.

But that's enough defending myself. I think the way you, Saw, accused me of not sticking to my opinion while you were flip-flopping from me to oreo to kitsune to me seemingly seizing opportunity at the last minute to push my vote is a rather bad look.

Nonetheless, as I said on the last day, I think now is the time to pursue my neutral suspicion. Hey oreo, come out and post your thoughts.

VOTE: oreomunsta
 
Makes sense. Barely read by anyone, so nothing to disrupt the way things were going yesterday, beneficial for scum.

Question is, I see oreo and isaac as pretty similar to rac. Why not one of them? Is scum hiding there?

I wouldn't agree with any of this. rac was town read by about a few people and unlike oreo, he's been participating throughout on more than numbers, and unlike isaac, he voted yesterday. isaac, why would you not bother to vote when we're getting very close to end game?

Yes, majority should be four now. So if you're town, watch those votes.
 
rac is not a strange move at this point at all, I think. Time for scum to change tactics and let the loudest voices fight it out, casting shadows on each other and everyone left.
 
rac is not a strange move at this point at all, I think. Time for scum to change tactics and let the loudest voices fight it out, casting shadows on each other and everyone left.

Well, no, not strange at all, as I said.

Even if he was town read by some, he was barely there.

And yes, I totally forgot that isaac didn't vote :p Please explain!
 
Well, no, not strange at all, as I said.

Even if he was town read by some, he was barely there.

And yes, I totally forgot that isaac didn't vote :p Please explain!
No, but I disagree with the rest. Everyone left has suspicion on them. rac was the cleanest. FEP would be next cleanest, but being universally town read should be suspicious enough and he did a lot of odd things yesterday. So now we just all point fingers at each other and hope for the best.
 
No, but I disagree with the rest. Everyone left has suspicion on them. rac was the cleanest. FEP would be next cleanest, but being universally town read should be suspicious enough and he did a lot of odd things yesterday. So now we just all point fingers at each other and hope for the best.

Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly.

Yes, rac was the cleanest. He had a low presence, and was not the focus at all. That's what I'm saying. To minimize the effect on the continuation to the finger-pointing of yesterday.

Could you point me to who town read him? I'm really only remembering a bunch of players null-reading him.
 
Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly.

Yes, rac was the cleanest. He had a low presence, and was not the focus at all. That's what I'm saying. To minimize the effect on the continuation to the finger-pointing of yesterday.

Could you point me to who town read him? I'm really only remembering a bunch of players null-reading him.
Me, FEP, Sawneeks just in the last day. FEP's is even on this page.
 
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