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[Melchiah]

The handling is my biggest issue with the game, I just can't stand it. Racing games are my favorite genre and i play as many as I can, the praise by a small vocal group of people for this games driving model just blows my mind. You even have a few in this very thread talking about how fantastic it is. ��

I'm first and foremost an arcade racing fan, and I like how DC controls, whereas I usually don't like how racings sims like GT series control.

truly breathtaking outside photo mode

Load up the game on the same level, same weather and take a shot in 3rd person around the same area as the picture then (not photomode).

I get that the game looks completely awesome during the weather fx scenes, but do note that the entirety of image is distorted in some way while all of that is going on and while it does look awesome, I don't think you can toss that up to handwave away how the game actually looks au naturale minus all of the intense DOF/RAINFX/WIND/Atmospheric effects that distort the entire scene. I don't think anyone is disputing whether or not they have one of the coolest looking weather fx systems in gaming, but that doesn't excuse the rest. I don't think it's accidental that people prefer the game in 1st person view glass refraction filtering everything, during dark when you can't see much and during rain and snow etc etc.

I dunno what settings were used for that screenshot, but it's never looked like that when I've played the game.

I usually play single races set to 9:00am, 60x time lapse, and clear weather. It looks great to me with those settings. I use the 1st person bumper cam in all racers, never behind or inside the car views. The former feels weird for me, and the latter obstructs the view.

I took a few gameplay screenshots of one of my favorite Japan tracks with my favorite car BAC Mono.

 

[Synth]

I dunno what settings were used for that screenshot, but it's never looked like that when I've played the game.

The shot was debated in a lot of detail in the graphics face-off thread. It's been confirmed that it can be replicated by anyone at that same point and time (can't remember what they were though). It's just one of the worst looking areas in the game, but it does look like that for everyone.

 

[Melchiah]

The shot was debated in a lot of detail in the graphics face-off thread. It's been confirmed that it can be replicated by anyone at that same point and time (can't remember what they were though). It's just one of the worst looking areas in the game, but it does look like that for everyone.

The screenshot can probably be replicated in certain conditions, but like I said it's never looked like that during gameplay. Even my own screenshots above look worse than it did when I just played the game.

 

[Synth]

The screenshot can probably be replicated in certain conditions, but like I said it's never looked like that during gameplay. Even my own screenshots above look worse than it did when I just played the game.

I decided to go find the source in that thread for you. here

It is from standard gameplay conditions, from one of the DLC tours.

 

[onQ123]

The shot was debated in a lot of detail in the graphics face-off thread. It's been confirmed that it can be replicated by anyone at that same point and time (can't remember what they were though). It's just one of the worst looking areas in the game, but it does look like that for everyone.

So you would go to war to prove that the game don't look as good as the gifs that come from the game but some how it's ok to use a screen shot that you would have to jump through loops to replicate that most of us have never came across?

 

[Melchiah]

I decided to go find the source in that thread for you. here

It is from standard gameplay conditions, from one of the DLC tours.

I'll have to check that event later on, when I've finished with TLOU.

 

[Synth]

So you would go to war to prove that the game don't look as good as the gifs that come from the game but some how it's ok to use a screen shot that you would have to jump through loops to replicate that most of us have never came across?

Did I say it was ok? I said it's reproducible. The worst shots in pretty much every game are.

It's clearly not in line with the game's average, otherwise there'd be a large variety of shots similar to it.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Didn't DC receive an IQ bump by updates?

 

[Synth]

Didn't DC receive an IQ bump by updates?

No. This is another thing that was discussed at length, but pre and post patch shot comparisons show otherwise.

 

[onQ123]

Did I say it was ok? I said it's reproducible. The worst shots in pretty much every game are.

It's clearly not in line with the game's average, otherwise there'd be a large variety of shots similar to it.

You understand that but you can't understand that the game look better to me on my monitor than the gifs that was posted & that it also look better to others?

 

[Synth]

You understand that but you can't understand that the game look better to me on my monitor than the gifs that was posted & that it also look better to others?

Heh...

I was arguing against the general logic you were putting forth, not your own perception. If you agree that downsizing the image by other means also makes it appear better, then your argument was never about your own screen.

You started out asking me how a gif can look better than the actual game. I answered, then you kinda lost your shit over it. If anything, it'd have been mine and other opinions you were looking to disregard.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I'm first and foremost an arcade racing fan, and I like how DC controls, whereas I usually don't like how racings sims like GT series control.






I dunno what settings were used for that screenshot, but it's never looked like that when I've played the game.

I usually play single races set to 9:00am, 60x time lapse, and clear weather. It looks great to me with those settings. I use the 1st person bumper cam in all racers, never behind or inside the car views. The former feels weird for me, and the latter obstructs the view.

I took a few gameplay screenshots of one of my favorite Japan tracks with my favorite car BAC Mono.

This are some good screens showing the true game. Not some photomode and/or blurred because insane motion blur hiding everything shots

 

[Journey]

OMG, this is Drive Club?

If this isn't doctored in some way, then I have a real hard time seeing how anyone can crown this game for best graphics.

 

[blastprocessor]

There are indeed some inconsistencies all driving games have that especially GT

 

[NullPointer]

OMG, this is Drive Club?

If this isn't doctored in some way, then I have a real hard time seeing how anyone can crown this game for best graphics.

That is real, but is not even close to representative of the game as a whole. Just representative of one very specific set of conditions where it looks the very worst.

 

[cakely]

OMG, this is Drive Club?

If this isn't doctored in some way, then I have a real hard time seeing how anyone can crown this game for best graphics.

/facepalm

I think that screenshot should just get its own thread, honestly.

Please look one post above yours for a more honest / flattering representation of what Driveclub gameplay actually looks like.

 

[Darkstorne]

OMG, this is Drive Club?

If this isn't doctored in some way, then I have a real hard time seeing how anyone can crown this game for best graphics.

OMG, this is Uncharted 2?

If this isn't doctored in some way, then I have a hard time seeing how anyone can crown this game for best PS3 graphics.

Or in other words, any game can look worse than is truly representative if you cherry pick screenshots.

 

[BigEmil]

Not to forget, Driveclub released in October 7, 2014

For a near launch title for the PS4 it's very good imagine if they made Driveclub 2 by now

 

[staticneuron]

I still have yet to go back to the game but I remembered the game looking amazing.

This thread on the other hand.... has attracted some interesting posters that's for sure.

 

[Journey]

/facepalm

I think that screenshot should just get its own thread, honestly.

Please look one post above yours for a more honest / flattering representation of what Driveclub gameplay actually looks like.

If you can produce a screenshot like that, then graphics seem to be inconsistent, I mean the background looks straight out of last gen, and I don't even mean the best from last gen. The vehicle is fairing a little better, but the mismatch makes the image look that much worse.

I don't know man, we have to be fair here. I don't think the worse example of FH3 can look this bad, I could be wrong though.

 

[Synth]

I don't know man, we have to be fair here. I don't think the worse example of FH3 can look this bad, I could be wrong though.

Now you've done it...

 

[Journey]

OMG, this is Uncharted 2?

If this isn't doctored in some way, then I have a hard time seeing how anyone can crown this game for best PS3 graphics.

Or in other words, any game can look worse than is truly representative if you cherry pick screenshots.

I remember this, it was a glitch, you're not supposed to see Nathan's face here and it glitched into view, same applies to pop-in or grabbing a screenshot before textures load, but in the DC screenshot example, that is what you will see when driving in that level, isn't that correct? Were the backgrounds not fully loaded? can you prove this was pre texture loading or a glitch? if so, then you have a point, otherwise this is a really bad analogy.

 

[Patrick S.]

This discussion is getting ridiculous, as Driveclub discussions sadly tend to do. Both Driveclub and Forza Horizon are beautiful games that are a lot of fun to play. That's what matters.

 

[cakely]

If you can produce a screenshot like that, then graphics seem to be inconsistent, I mean the background looks straight out of last gen, and I don't even mean the best from last gen. The vehicle is fairing a little better, but the mismatch makes the image look that much worse.

I don't know man, we have to be fair here. I don't think the worse example of FH3 can look this bad, I could be wrong though.

Good point. Cherry picking the worst screenshot you can find for a game and using that screenshot to criticize the game is absolutely fair.

 

[NewDust]

This are some good screens showing the true game. Not some photomode and/or blurred because insane motion blur hiding everything shots

Well there isn't much to motion blur, as the car isn't moving

Judging racing games graphical features based on stills is really weird to me. The last thing you want to do in racing games, is not being in motion.

 

[Synth]

I remember this, it was a glitch, you're not supposed to see Nathan's face here and it glitched into view, same applies to pop-in or grabbing a screenshot before textures load, but in the DC screenshot example, that is what you will see when driving in that level, isn't that correct? Were the backgrounds not fully loaded? can you prove this was pre texture loading or a glitch? if so, then you have a point, otherwise this is a really bad analogy.

Not exactly. Because the shot is taken at 0km/h. which wouldn't usually occur in gameplay.

 

[BigLee74]

You know what, there is a simple solution. All the whining on gifs can be stopped by simply referencing the comparison vid I posted earlier in this thread. There are quite a few vids showing all the top racers going head to head in motion on YouTube. If you look at any of those, and can still conclude that DC is not the best looking game in motion, since we don't play cherry-picked stills obviously, then I think it's clear what's going on here...

From the time you have a thread about DC's visuals and graphical superiority, you have a million people coming to claim..."oh, it only looks that good in gifs and photomode".....Anybody who's played DC knows that's not so......So again, if you don't play the game and have deemed photomode and gifs unfair for DC, because I've never seen gifs of FH3 of F7 or PC2 ever and tbf, I've never for once felt that the gifs for these games make them look better...Just watch any of the comparison vids I've posted or which are widely available on YT, and comeback with a straight face "that the other titles look better in motion".....

Phew. I'm glad you've stepped in with your world renowned objectivity to put everyone in their place. Thread saved.

Keeping it on topic, FH3 surpassed Driveclub with regards to vegetation and environment, with the not to be forgotten bonus that you can actually drive up to and through it all...

 

[NullPointer]

Keeping it on topic, FH3 surpassed Driveclub with regards to vegetation and environment, with the not to be forgotten bonus that you can actually drive up to and through it all...

Which is a damn fair point. Playground Games does some absolutely amazing work with Horizon.

 

[Neuromancer]

I think it's the best racing game this gen.

You're not wrong. Dirt Rally is a close second 2nd for me.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Not to forget, Driveclub released in October 7, 2014

For a near launch title for the PS4 it's very good imagine if they made Driveclub 2 by now

and this:

is a game from 2007

 

[rodrigolfp]

Well there isn't much to motion blur, as the car isn't moving

Judging racing games graphical features based on stills is really weird to me. The last thing you want to do in racing games, is not being in motion.

you don't say?

Point is about the exagerated post process motion blur effect they put to hide imperfections and because of the better sense of speed at 30fps.

^here the car is also not moving and you can see the very good IQ and SHARP details, unlikely DC shots without motion blur

 

[TheAdmiester]

Now you've done it...

I have FH3 dev tools, stand back, I'll take the worst shot I can...

 

[Sygma]

This are some good screens showing the true game. Not some photomode and/or blurred because insane motion blur hiding everything shots

Yeah you tend to bypass that you basically need to not drive at all to see this tho.

DC is outdated. It isnt ugly by any means but its outdated. Just load up Hot wheels and we re done

 

[TheAdmiester]

I have FH3 dev tools, stand back, I'll take the worst shot I can...

This is as bland, vegetation-less and flat as I could get. Also in a red car which, in direct light, I think is Forza's weakest colour.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Yeah you tend to bypass that you basically need to not drive at all to see this tho.

DC is outdated. It isnt ugly by any means but its outdated. Just load up Hot wheels and we re done

i didn't say it is ugly. The point is people posting screens in photomode or where motion blur is hiding the environment and vegetations details.

 

[rashbeep]

I dunno what settings were used for that screenshot, but it's never looked like that when I've played the game.

I usually play single races set to 9:00am, 60x time lapse, and clear weather. It looks great to me with those settings. I use the 1st person bumper cam in all racers, never behind or inside the car views. The former feels weird for me, and the latter obstructs the view.

I took a few gameplay screenshots of one of my favorite Japan tracks with my favorite car BAC Mono.

at the least your screens kinda show the inconsistencies in DC's lighting

the top one looks so flat (reminds me of TW3 foliage lighting), but the other two look much better

 

[cakely]

This is as bland, vegetation-less and flat as I could get. Also in a red car which, in direct light, I think is Forza's weakest colour.

I'll admit, the car itself still looks pretty good. FH3 is a looker, no doubt about it.

 

[Duchess O'Death]

I don't know if this has been posted but NXGamer did a great DC analysis video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlYDI41ERq4

 

[NewDust]

^here the car is also not moving and you can see the very good IQ and SHARP details, unlikely DC shots without motion blur

I don't care how good or bad any racing game looks when standing still. Or even from stills. That's my point.

 

[LukasTaves]

People calling others dumb over silly videogame arguing.

WTF. Where is this from lol

 

[Daffy Duck]

Let's load up Driveclub to get some games.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I don't care how good or bad any racing game looks when standing still. Or even from stills. That's my point.

This thread is not about what you care or don't. It's about the best environments and vegetations, and we can only see 100% the quality of environments and vegetations in DC with the car standing still because of the blur

 

[rodrigolfp]

Let's load up Driveclub to get some games.

Don't post shit jpg's, pls. Plus not native resolution.

 

[c0de]

Let's load up Driveclub to get some games.

Kill it with fire!

 

[Duallusion]

It's such a shame Evolution didn't get the chance to do DC2; the title we should be comparing to FH3 today (which, for the record, I love just as much as DC). DC's "opponent" back then, so to speak, was actually FH2.

 

[NewDust]

This thread is not about what you care or don't. It's about the best environments and vegetations, and we can only see 100% the quality of environments and vegetations in DC with the car standing still because of the blur

Is it still?! I thought this thread has long descended into arguments on how you can represent a game in the best/worst case scenario

 

[cakely]

I don't know if this has been posted but NXGamer did a great DC analysis video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlYDI41ERq4

I just watched that, and then I followed up with his "wetter is better" review update.

And then I reinstalled Driveclub.

Spoiler

20GB of patches, ouch.

 

[thetwinsattack]

A little clip from one of my races in FH3.

 

[staticneuron]

^here the car is also not moving and you can see the very good IQ and SHARP details, unlikely DC shots without motion blur

You also posted a 4K screenshot from an engine that has seen 3 entries in that franchise since XB One's launch. You also seemingly posted an image from a PC version (don't worry it seems like you are not the only one). On the xbox one you don't press the letter C to bring up Anna.

Here is digital foundry link to comparison and an example of a still image from the game

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-forza-horizon-3-face-off



This thread is fascinating to say the least.

Edit: looks like image is not working anymore, sorry to DF guys for directly linking to image if that is an issue. Please follow the link to see captures of One versus PC, to compare what gives and images people are posting in thrread.

 

[Baroquemantic]

The fact that this near three year old game is constantly brought up in visual debates really says a lot. It's not always consistently impressive, but its highest highs have still not been surpassed by any other racers, in my opinion. Not a single racer since has better lighting and weather, and most non-racing games still don't come close in those two categories.