Avatar, the most forgettable movie of all-time.
*consistently gets huge threads every time there's even a whiff of news around here*
The first film topped $1B in 3 weeks, off a $77m opening weekend in the US. The sequels are going to open higher.
Avatar, the most forgettable movie of all-time.
*consistently gets huge threads every time there's even a whiff of news around here*
Like people lost enthusiasm after Titanic?
The King didn't make a film for a decade post Titanic. And he made a billion plus. I think it's fair to say you don't bet against Cameron.
With that big of a budget it better be the greatest movie of all time that absolutely blows me away.I actually think it will be just as meh as the first one minus the visuals.
Imagine the logistical nightmare it must be to shoot four movies simultaneously.
Avatar threads almost immediately derail because the movie itself isn't the most compelling topic of conversation, it seems. People who like it would rather talk about (and minimize/mock/put down) the people who don't. People who don't like it would rather try to make the people who do like it feel minimized/duped/suckered somehow.
The shit becomes very quickly partisan in a way that doesn't even happen in the superhero discussions (which were long ago split down brand/party lines in some sort of perverse generational pro-wrestling work that has since become a shoot), and I think it's because a fair amount of the people who keep coming into these threads to talk about this film and its (presumed) sequels aren't really interested in talking about the film. Myself included, admittedly.
The thing that most intrigues me is the potential box-office. There's a basic curiosity as to just what new weird direction Cameron is going to steer his tightly bunched bundle of movie fetishes (because he's obviously completely off-the-fuckin-chain now) but what interests me isn't the storytelling, really. It's people-watching. How will they respond? WHY? How much will they spend on it. Will they regret that expenditure? How fast will they throw money at it? How long? What weird pop-culture quirks are we going to discover in response to this thing?
That sorta shit fascinates me - more than the film itself ever has. And so I tend to look at the film from those other angles as opposed to the primary one: How it works/doesn't, and how that makes me feel.
It really does seem like even on the part of people who do like the film, what's more fascinating isn't the film, it's the way it can be used to bolster the weird "Cult of Cameron" thing that is maybe semi-facetious (worked into a shoot, brother), or its opposite number.
The most interesting thing about Avatar is the way people use Avatar. Cameron included.
Welp, 150-200 is not that far from 250 to be news worthy, in my opinion.
Anyhow:
I know this, but the idea of "performance capture" is more than just a camera aimed at the face. Animation has been doing that for even longer.p.s. Naughty Dog exclusively hand animated facial animation until Uncharted 4.
Come on Cameron, even for you this is a bit much.
"But if Avatar is so lame, why do threads about Avatar always sprawl out to such ridiculous lengths?"
Well...
Spectre? Jesus
But what about the people that legit liked the movie and are interested in our Cameron will open the world up for the 2nd one?
I could see it happening if it's received well.The first sequel will make back the entire budget of all 4 film's. Cameron ain't sweating anything.
I have no idea why Avatar, of all the dudes projects, is the one he came to obsess over. I'm sure they'll be at least decent and have cool CGI. Plus I'm glad he's following his passion. I doubt we'll ever see something on the level of the original in terms of box office performance though.
Anyone really excited for a Jurassic Park sequel 14 years after the last one?
*Jurassic World takes home 1.6B WW*
Anyone really excited for a Star Wars sequel 10 years after the last one?
*Force Awakens takes home 2B WW and is the highest grossing US film of all time*
Anyone really excited for a live action Beauty and the Beast remake 26 years after the last one?
*Beauty and the Beast takes home 1.26B WW*
Anyone really excited for a Toy Story sequel 11 years after the last one?
*Toy Story 3 takes home 1B WW*
Anyone really interested in a Finding Nemo sequel 13 years after the last one?
*Finding Dory takes home 1B WW*
Anyone really interested in a LOTR prequel trilogy 9 years after the last one
*Each Hobbit film makes 2.9B WW*
Cameron and WETA have spent years inventing underwater performance capture for a reason.I said this in an old thread but I can't wait to see Pandora's ocean life and you know Cameron has big ideas for that.
Wow. I hadn't been following the behind the scenes but I should get around to watching and rewatching some of the old BTS stuff. I have three versions of the film, I'm sure they exist.Cameron and WETA have spent years inventing underwater performance capture for a reason.
It's impressive to think that scene with Jake floating down the river int he first film was accomplished by rolling him on a desk chair lol.
If you have the Avatar Extended Edition blu, there's literally hours worth of BTS stuff. Really fascinating stuff.Wow. I hadn't been following the behind the scenes but I should get around to watching and rewatching some of the old BTS stuff. I have three versions of the film, I'm sure they exist.
I do and probably have started to watch some of it years back. News of the films always gets me back in the mood which is why I finally purchased the 3D version (with Titanic 3D combo) for cheap a few months back. Always held off because the 3D alone was always pretty pricey in the NA so I couldn't pass up that UK combo deal.If you have the Avatar Extended Edition blu, there's literally hours worth of BTS stuff. Really fascinating stuff.
Cameron and WETA have spent years inventing underwater performance capture for a reason.
It's impressive to think that scene with Jake floating down the river int he first film was accomplished by rolling him on a desk chair lol.
It's definitely going to be interesting stuff. I'm not really sure why would you even need to capture performance actually underwater.. Maybe they'll also use that for antigravity scenes, if there are any. I actually wonder what are these movies are even going to be out. As much as I'm looking forward, I have to agree with people that I don't know where the story is supposed to go. If Earth strikes back at full force what are these loincloth-wearing simpletons supposed to do.
Well it depends on their aim in striking back. Cameron explained that the tech used by the RDA on Pandora in the first film was fairly rudimentary compared to what humanity actually has, since the electromagnetic fields on Pandora mess up their more advanced weaponry. He's also explained that they haven't just nuked the Na'vi, because it would render the minerals they've been trying to mine useless.It's definitely going to be interesting stuff. I'm not really sure why would you even need to capture performance actually underwater.. Maybe they'll also use that for antigravity scenes, if there are any. I actually wonder what are these movies are even going to be out. As much as I'm looking forward, I have to agree with people that I don't know where the story is supposed to go. If Earth strikes back at full force what are these loincloth-wearing simpletons supposed to do.
I said this in an old thread but I can't wait to see Pandora's ocean life and you know Cameron has big ideas for that.
If you needed anymore evidence that slashfilm is the new dumpster fire of movie news blogs
http://www.slashfilm.com/avatar-sequel-budget/#more-443139
internet movie "journalism"
I genuinely don't understand his fascination with this particular film universe.
Like when Amirox was forced into seeing it three times.Avatar is one of the worst movies I've ever been forced to pay to see.
Like when Amirox was forced into seeing it three times.
Edit: also, the animatronics at the end of the other Avatar ride at Disney are truly next level (spoiler for the ride obviously)
https://youtu.be/AZ6KTCDH4nE?t=172
I wonder how much that robot cost...