this movie fucking killed it for me, I would almost say it's better than the original. Vaughn hit it out of the park. All the actors did a tremendous job.
I feel like there's more backstory to the supporting role (not cameo) that
Elton John
had. He was in it far too much and it seemed forced as hell. By the time the jump kick came the joke has long passed the point of lunacy and into confusion.
I feel like there's more backstory to the supporting role (not cameo) that
Elton John
had. He was in it far too much and it seemed forced as hell. By the time the jump kick came the joke has long passed the point of lunacy and into confusion.
You mean like he was used as filler for something they had to cut out from the movie? Agree with you that I didn't enjoy his character as much as other people did.
I loved how the final fight scene was a fake one shot scene - I suppose they did clever cuts behind the meat grinder. In general I absolutely love the camera style for the action scenes, you really feel the momentum.
It's weird because there's enough material for two films but not enough story, if that makes sense?
Lots of ideas they can expand on but not much story.
Kill Bill is a comparison I guess, except Kill Bill was a character study more than anything and also a film of two halves (one glorifying revenge the other pointing out it doesn't accomplish anything.) Kingsman doesn't really have that depth.
You mean like he was used as filler for something they had to cut out from the movie? Agree with you that I didn't enjoy his character as much as other people did.
That, or possibly that someone working on the movie was a big fan / friend and pushed for more screen time. It just struck me as very awkward how long winded the joke became by the end.
That, or possibly that someone working on the movie was a big fan / friend and pushed for more screen time. It just struck me as very awkward how long winded the joke became by the end.
none of the later jokes like - Elton John can kick ass! etc etc hit as well as the first 'evil druglord kidnaps famous singer for her own entertainment' joke. Also note how very Austin Powers that is. XD
none of the later jokes like - Elton John can kick ass! etc etc hit as well as the first 'evil druglord kidnaps famous singer for her own entertainment' joke. Also note how very Austin Powers that is. XD
A 50% on rottentomatoes seems about perfect to me. It's worth watching for a couple of the performances, and some of jokes and action sequences land, but some of them also fall totally flat, the editing is a mess, multiple characters and plot threads go nowhere, and Mark Strong was the only one who was able to make the more sentimental material work in this one.
Watched it again, one disappointing thing about it is the
Stand off with Whiskey when he has the Lasso around Harry's neck at the end, there was no reason at all for him to not just immediately kill both of them and then you take into consideration that the first movie specifically called out this trope it makes it even more dumb.
Still enjoyed it though besides it's flaws, it's just surprisingly not as solid as the first.
Never even heard of the first one so I went in knowing just about nothing but came away thinking it'd be better cut as a short film with just the first scene and maybe the lasso fight scene at the end? The first scene was tons of fun. Rest of the movie was just kind of lame.
Just saw it tonight. It was ok, but all the questionable parts of the first one ramped up to 11. Too long and too padded. The first one hit some great beats and this one just didn't for me. Just alright.
Listening to the Empire Spoilercast for this with Vaughn, I want all the deleted / alternate scenes. Different outcomes for certain characters, more arcs, etc. I can't believe it's as long as it is with all the stuff that was cut out on top.
Found it absolutely awful barring the action scenes
- Movie spends way too much time doing nothing, couldve easily lost an hour without impacting anything. they crammed in so many plotlines for no damn reason.
- Completely lost the balance between ridiculous humor and serious action that the last movie was great at. Now it just had to toss a joke or some absurdity every 2 minutes.
- Story and characters had 0 weight. Characters appeared and died left and right with hardly any reactions or were ever given any reason to be cared for.(like wtf at that
statesman's
death. nobody even reacted? hello?
He wasnt even evil, just a little deluded, you grind him into food and nobody even sought a decent explanation? not even for when you shot him in the head based on nothing before he revealed he wanted drug users to die?
Oh and the dead guy from the last movie does not stay dead of all people , for no damn reason. Gallahad senior added nothing to the plot that couldnt have been achieved without him, except they had to butcher another decent character just to justify him existence.
- Easily in the top 5 stupidest plots ever, and not over the top ridiculous kind of thing from the last movie. This one legitimately no sense. The bad guy set herself up to lose no matter what the fucking outcome her plan was and all she wanted was to be recognized as hugely successful business person. i mean
outcome A - you murder your entire existing customer base while the remaining potential userbase watches them die horrifically
outcome B - your entire existing customer barely survives out of a miserable death ,you. the supplier are a maniac who can't be trusted with her drugs anymore and the world yet again watches this transpire.
top of class harvard alumini my stinky hind.
- The movie almost felt underbudgeted , the cgi was quite noticeably crap , i cringed so hard at the drift scene in the beginning...and the places just felt ...understaffed? i think.
like if you werent told otherwise youd think the bad guy's organization comprised of 11 thugs, 3 bots and the leader while the statesmen were 3-5 members each.
- fuck
elton john
and his stupid drawn out joke or whatever it was.
minus 10 points for that alone. dude was a joke character and had more screentime than all statesmen or half the kingsmen from the previous movie,or eggs's friends and family
3/10
as some one who thought the first was a 8 or a 9, this lacked just about everything that i adored from the first. barring offcourse certain action scenes.
Yeeah, this was too long and kind of uneven. Moments of fun disrupted with some pretty shitty segments (the festival + pussy insert stuff was just gross & completely unnecessary just to create dumb melodrama between Eggsy and the love interest, though not entirely surprising coming from the first movie's anal sex princess reward crap).
Btw, am I forgetting something about the first film or was there some kind of new,meaningful foreshadowing about
Eggsy's father and the Kingsmen having something to do with each other
in the movie? Maybe it was already in the first film, but if it was I've completely forgotten about it.
I just watched this. Sucks I didn't get to see the supposed early screening of this which no doubt would have influenced my initial perception of this movie.
Overall, it seems there's more action and or humor. We got a little taste of church-scene inspired scenes from the first movie. I totally did not get the motivational twist at the end though. It's like
"hey, we're buddies, but no, you're bad somehow and I have to kill you. And then a Statesmen getting killed is good.
Also didn't like how many characters were killed off. Maybe in a third, final movie they could have blown everything up with "nothing to lose", but it seemed premature to basically cut off the organization completely just to focus on the fewer main characters.
Elton John definitely had good moments (though maybe there was a bit too much).
Also, the toxin's effect in the movie looked an awful lot like the virus effect in the Maze Runner series. Coincidence, 20th Century Fox?
Yeeah, this was too long and kind of uneven. Moments of fun disrupted with some pretty shitty segments (the festival + pussy insert stuff was just gross & completely unnecessary just to create dumb melodrama between Eggsy and the love interest, though not entirely surprising coming from the first movie's anal sex princess reward crap).
Btw, am I forgetting something about the first film or was there some kind of new,meaningful foreshadowing about
Eggsy's father and the Kingsmen having something to do with each other
in the movie? Maybe it was already in the first film, but if it was I've completely forgotten about it.
Regarding the spoiler, yes - the first scene of the first film is Eggsy's father jumping on a grenade to save Colin Firth and other Kingsmans, after Firth failed to find the grenade.
Never even heard of the first one so I went in knowing just about nothing but came away thinking it'd be better cut as a short film with just the first scene and maybe the lasso fight scene at the end? The first scene was tons of fun. Rest of the movie was just kind of lame.
Didn't care much for it and I loved the first one. It's competent action wise, but the audio mix felt out of place. I didn't find anything really funny about it. I feel like if they did a third movie, it should take between the end of the first movie and the beginning of this one, so I can forget this ever happened. Focus just on Eggsy and Roxy.
Roxy is dead, it would have been a massive waste of a character and the way she scooted offscreen doesn't really fit with the other deaths. Knowing this universe she found a blastproof refrigerator to hide in.
I did find it kind of silly how they had a perfectly good loophole to get Colin Firth's character to survive via just having his glasses be bulletproof (making him only lose an eye at most) but then they introduced an even more ridiculous plot device that literally repairs brains. "Nanomachines, son!"
Anyway, I don't quite understand the RT score for this as it's basically the same thing as the first one, except with a (intentional?) shifting plot every 20 minutes. Maybe the length and the editing is an issue, but this feels more like expectations were way out of line. It's a little beyond "stupid popcorn flick" and it has very few dull moments.
Roxy is dead, it would have been a massive waste of a character and the way she scooted offscreen doesn't really fit with the other deaths. Knowing this universe she found a blastproof refrigerator to hide in.
I did find it kind of silly how they had a perfectly good loophole to get Colin Firth's character to survive via just having his glasses be bulletproof (making him only lose an eye at most) but then they introduced an even more ridiculous plot device that literally repairs brains. "Nanomachines, son!"
Anyway, I don't quite understand the RT score for this as it's basically the same thing as the first one, except with a (intentional?) shifting plot every 20 minutes. Maybe the length and the editing is an issue, but this feels more like expectations were way out of line. It's a little beyond "stupid popcorn flick" and it has very few dull moments.
Not everyone liked the first one and there is such thing as diminishing returns. The first was a surprise, this one, while satisfying, didn't pack the same punch. The first one set a bar, so yes, you do go into the sequel with raised expectations, there's nothing wrong with that.
Not to mention, clicking any of those reviews instead of looking at score would give you the explanation you're looking for. While I do wish the movie was better received, I'm not baffled by the mixed reviews.
I can point to several well-received blockbusters this year with more baffling RT scores.
Anyway, I don't quite understand the RT score for this as it's basically the same thing as the first one, except with a (intentional?) shifting plot every 20 minutes. Maybe the length and the editing is an issue, but this feels more like expectations were way out of line. It's a little beyond "stupid popcorn flick" and it has very few dull moments.
Yes, it is basically the same thing as the first one, a distorted mirror image that highlights what the first one did well and where the sequels fails. What was thrilling and exciting in the first, is dull and lacks style and energy in the second. Humorous satire becomes overwrought parody. An interestingly eccentric villain versus a Mad Libs mishmash of ideas that never comes across as anything but ridiculous. A interesting dive into a cool underground world is replaced with a rushed mirror-image replacement that lacks all of the intrigue and style of its counterpart. The scene stealing character, and the mentor/coming of age relationship, of 1 is brought back as a running joke in 2
Other than the rather disturbing implications surrounding
Vagina tracker and the woman being blown up for cheating
and a bit of fumbling with the message of "don't do the leaf kids, stick to hardcore whiskey and beer (which has killed millions more than the herb ever will)", I rather enjoyed the movie. Like, the overall message of "Drug addicts, drug dependent, etc. are humans and deserve to be treated with dignity" was great, it's just the messaging is a bit muddled when they end up saying "Just stick to good old whiskey". Other than that: Fantastic action, fun performances, entirely bat shit feeling overall. Good fun.
On another note:
I can't wait to see how they will inevitably bring Merlin back
If I had to guess I'd say that they're setting up Roxy as replacement Merlin. It would probably be too cheap to bring them both back in one movie and Merlin actually had a proper character death, whereas Roxy just sort of died on the way back to her home planet (and there was more scope for her to be saved off screen).
But frankly I'm not sure if I'm onboard for #3 at all.
It was okay. The Americans were a breath of fresh air but they hardly used them. One basically wasn't in it. I didn't like Pascal's arc either. Seemed forced.
The "drop a digit" scene was a bit on the nose. Could have been handled with more taste.
A mindless action movie with more style than substance. And sometimes the style is puerile.
Besides mister robo arm, what reason do any of Poppy's goons have to be loyal to her. To even get the job you have to be willing to submit to extremely painful body modifications and have to eat human flesh. Party once with Elton John and you're ripped in half by robo dogs.
I got more out of the goons hired by Dr. Evil to fight Austin Powers than anything Poppy hires to kind of stand around with guns. In hindsight that's a huge letdown.
Besides mister robo arm, what reason do any of Poppy's goons have to be loyal to her. To even get the job you have to be willing to submit to extremely painful body modifications and have to eat human flesh. Party once with Elton John and you're ripped in half by robo dogs.
I got more out of the goons hired by Dr. Evil to fight Austin Powers than anything Poppy hires to kind of stand around with guns. In hindsight that's a huge letdown.
It's less funny than henchmen jokes in the past. We've had Austin Powers and Venture Bros. teach us how henchmen jokes work. Vaughn just wasn't paying attention
Loved the first one and I can't believe how bad the second one is, like someone already said, the movie is one hour longer than it should be, but even cutting all the fat, the movie would the same turd, but shorter.
why did whiskey have to turn heel
