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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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New XE90 owner, newbie question:
The Android TV Youtube app does not do 4k, it seems. Ok. I cast youtube from my PC and the 4K symbol is shown on the youtube video playing on my TV. Seems to be working.
It this a setup that allows for HDR? Because when HDR mode is set to "Auto" the TV's settings does not adjust automatically for HDR as I assumed it would do when detecting HDR content.
When I manually set HDR mode to HLG or HDR10 the colors/visuals do change a lot, but I'm not sure if there's actual any HDR coming through.
The Android TV Youtube app does not do 4k, it seems. Ok. I cast youtube from my PC and the 4K symbol is shown on the youtube video playing on my TV. Seems to be working.
It this a setup that allows for HDR? Because when HDR mode is set to "Auto" the TV's settings does not adjust automatically for HDR as I assumed it would do when detecting HDR content.
When I manually set HDR mode to HLG or HDR10 the colors/visuals do change a lot, but I'm not sure if there's actual any HDR coming through.
One of many reasons I didn't jump on the 2016 OLEDs. The 2017s are better for gaming, offer 60hz Dolby Vision, as well as GREATLY reduced image retention/burn-in (among numerous other benefits). Unless you're getting a truly sensational deal on the 2016 OLEDs, do NOT BUY ONE.
Deputy Moonman
Member
If you don't have an oled tv all your questions tend to get ignored because this is apparently the oled tv/oled tv settings thread and not a general tv thread. Good luck. I don't even have a 4k tv yet or I'd try and help.
Dr.Horrible
Member
You could try here as well.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1403745&page=1
I just bought one myself, but haven't been able to play with it and ton yet.
Edit - this link suggests it does do 4k
https://sony-paa-pa-en-web--paa.cus...to-watch-4k-movies-on-youtube-with-android-tv.
I'm waiting for 2020.
Going to be waiting a long time for that lol
It should. I do remember some issues with the YouTube app for Android TV. I haven't updated for precisely this reason on my X800D.
Before you could choose 4K, now I believe it is only allowing 1080p at the moment? Or won't even allow choice. Right now however only Samsung tv's allow HDR with native YouTube apps.
HDR should auto detect on everything but apps that don't allow it yet. So games,inputs, and apps like Netflix HDR turns on automatically. Only YouTube app doesn't.
Eh, I tried my best to answer while I could, but to be honest most questions have been answered a million times. There are also numerous model threads that have answered those questions. Besides, while I do think some have OLED on the brain as the be all,end all. This thread has been pretty great when people ask for recommendations, budgets, certain sizes.
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
Hah, greatly. This doesn't even apply to their test, because they're not testing a 2017 model (for whatever reason).
It wouldn't be too shocking if any OLED developed similar retention with this sort of test. 2017s aren't magically immune to OLED limitations.
Jigolo
Member
That seems unexciting. 2.1 starting next year is a big deal.
Greatly reduced retention/burn-in? Show me the receipts.
zeomax
Member
Sorry but this is simply a stupid statement. It's a test, far away from a daily regular use. If you don't display a static image for days you will not have any burn in or even simple image retention. The TV has also a pixel refresher feature that eliminate any burn in images.
psychotron
Member
The rtings test is actually pretty fair. Also, if the pixel refresher is like the pixel shift from a Plasma, its useless.
zeomax
Member
No it's not. Pixel shift is an extra feature to the pixel refresher.
From rting.com
psychotron
Member
Thats a really cool feature! Thanks for that info.
Dr.Horrible
Member
If you're looking for a 4k player, Sony's x800 does YouTube hdr. Otherwise a Chromecast ultra will do the trick if you just want to stream things. While I haven't researched all options, I'm sure there are plenty more that do this as well.
It is a HALT test, a standard method of testing electronics to simulate the results of long-term ownership.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_accelerated_life_test
Read one of the huge threads on AVSForum from users who got burn-in because they watched CNN for 2 hours a day. They successfully predicted how long the Rtings test would take to get burn-in before it started.
Rtings turns off the TV each day to run the compensation cycle.
GinoFelino
Member
Yeah no
In my experience, the 3D on the 2016 OLED will provide more tangible benefits than what's been added on the 2017 models. Reduced IR: as Kyoufu said, receipts please. It was still pretty damn noticeable on the 7 series.
Firmware fuckery is making both year's sets a tricky proposition though, in my opinion
I'm waiting to see what CES brings
The 2017 LG OLEDs certainly have greatly reduced image retention. Check their IR test between the e6 and the e7.
Burn in though? Only time will tell, unless someone else wants to stress test their 7 series.
Edit: I've been using my b7 as a PC monitor for about a month and a half. No IR or BI yet, but we will see how it is down the line.
GinoFelino
Member
TV setup absolutely changes going into HDR.
The YouTube app is definitely 4k as well!
I no longer have the X900E in my possession though, so I can't help you with the specifics. Be sure to check out the settings page for this set on Rtings. HDTVTest has a video up on YouTube regarding the X900E settings as well. Good luck!
Only the E6 or the C6 has 3d though, I forget which one.
For me though, I don't care about 3d and I'll take reduce input lag and 120hz at 1080p over 3d any day.
Edit: and for reduced IR, check the rtings IR tests between the 2 series. The 7 series is drastically improved on their test.
E6
Not even completely gone after 10 minutes.
E7
.002 percent after 4 minutes, completely gone after 6.
Edit edit: for these tests, they display a static image for 20 minutes, with flashing white blocks that move on the sides of the screen to keep any automatic dimming from happening.
These pictures are taken directly after the static image is cleared.
GinoFelino
Member
Both C6 and E6 feature 3D
To each their own, of course. Keep in mind I was responding to someone who claimed a 2016 OLED should be avoided
As for IR: how is shorter term IR? 4 minutes is pretty damn long in real life viewing conditions
2020 HDMI 2.1 tvs will be closer to handling HDMI 2.1 spec than 2018 HDMI 2.1 tvs. It's not an awful idea to wait a couple years in a HDMI spec jump. Plus there will be more devices out that will connect to HDMI 2.1 and be useful.
If you look at my post you can see the differences between the 2 series at zero minutes. At 4 minutes is really not noticeable on the 7 series. .002 percent.Both C6 and E6 feature 3D
To each their own, of course. Keep in mind I was responding to someone who claimed a 2016 OLED should be avoided
As for IR: how is shorter term IR? 4 minutes is pretty damn long in real life viewing conditions
Edit: for clarification, the pictures I posted are the e6 and e7 at zero minutes after displaying a static image for 20 minutes. You asked for receipts. There they are.
Not saying this is the same as burn in by the way.
What the hell?
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Would you guys say DV is a whole lot better than HDR? I haven't yet tried it out myself because I need to connect my B6 to the internet for that. But with Xbox One Netflix I'm stuck with HDR.
Jigolo
Member
Yes, of course all that is true.
Still CES 2020 won't be as exciting as CES 2018 because it won't usher in a major new technology
I think everyone is getting ahead of themselves expecting vrr with the first HDMI 2.1 tvs. Is it possible? Yes. But reading posts from people in the industry on various forums, supporting vrr isn't just a Switch you flip, it requires pretty extensive changes to the SOC of all these tv's.
IMO you could MAYBE see vrr support in the flagship displays next year, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Especially because the only device that would support vrr via HDMI is the Xbox one x supposedly. We'd need the next gen of video cards to support it too, and the ps5 maybe before there is even an incentive.
IMO you could MAYBE see vrr support in the flagship displays next year, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Especially because the only device that would support vrr via HDMI is the Xbox one x supposedly. We'd need the next gen of video cards to support it too, and the ps5 maybe before there is even an incentive.
See below.
I'm not even talking about just IR/burn-in. There's a whole host of reasons aside from this. Not sure why you picked on me for that statement.
Well we can agree to disagree on 3D, which - while great on the 2016, - makes up a tiny percentage (if any) of most people's viewing habits.
Only the E6 or the C6 has 3d though, I forget which one.
For me though, I don't care about 3d and I'll take reduce input lag and 120hz at 1080p over 3d any day.
Edit: and for reduced IR, check the rtings IR tests between the 2 series. The 7 series is drastically improved on their test.
E6
Not even completely gone after 10 minutes.
E7
.002 percent after 4 minutes, completely gone after 6.
Edit edit: for these tests, they display a static image for 20 minutes, with flashing white blocks that move on the sides of the screen to keep any automatic dimming from happening.
These pictures are taken directly after the static image is cleared.
Thank you for that. Was going to cite my source, but you beat me to it. No question which TV I'd prefer (and did in fact buy).
Yes, DV is better than HDR. A whole lot better? Well, - that would be a yes, depending on the content. Think of DV as HDR with benefits.
Stiler
Member
Umm, VRR is part of HDMI 2.1's spec, so if it doesn't have it then it's not going to be able to carry the HDMI 2.1 certification if it doesn't support VRR, unless something has changed.
https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_1/
It's kind of a lost cause with that poster. Seems to always jump at the chance to amplify flaws in LG Tv's and turn around to recommend Sony Tv's for some reason.
Right, but I'm not convinced at all that 2018 Tv's are going to have HDMI 2.1
Yeah as far as I understand it, IR is completely different than burn in on these sets.
I also have not noticed any IR on my 7 series. Which is why comments from other posters like "on the 7 series It's pretty damn noticeable" make me raise my eyebrows a bit.
Edot: how is your burn in btw?
I would totally not be surprised if the 7 series suffers from this too, but I'm ok with the risk. I'm only a human on the earth for a very short amount of time, and It's just a TV.
It's the Netflix logo on the bottom right corner of the screen, only visible on a red/yellow/green background. It was alarming when I first noticed it but now it doesn't bother me at all. It's rarely ever visible.
What bothers me way more is the lack of brightness for HDR. I really wish it could be brighter.
Yeah, It's a shame that they gimped HDR on the 6 series so much (7 series too to some extent)
Do you play games with static HUD a lot too? It's so weird that the Netflix logo that only shows up when you're selecting something to watch could burn in so quick.
Edit: to be clear I totally know you have BI. I follow this thread and a bunch of threads on other forums. These OLEDS are just so weird with BI. It seems like a very usage dependant thing, but then your case doesn't fit that at all.
I've played so many HUD heavy games on the E6, no BI from those games -at all-. The most recent one being Elite: Dangerous on PS4. I think I put in a solid 250 hours into that.
My guess is a brighter display, maybe around 900-1000 nits, better near-black performance, HDMI 2.1, HDR10+ support and hopefully 4K 120hz.
Watch none of these happen
holygeesus
Banned
Only the E6 or the C6 has 3d though, I forget which one.
For me though, I don't care about 3d and I'll take reduce input lag and 120hz at 1080p over 3d any day.
Edit: and for reduced IR, check the rtings IR tests between the 2 series. The 7 series is drastically improved on their test.
E6
Not even completely gone after 10 minutes.
E7
.002 percent after 4 minutes, completely gone after 6.
Edit edit: for these tests, they display a static image for 20 minutes, with flashing white blocks that move on the sides of the screen to keep any automatic dimming from happening.
These pictures are taken directly after the static image is cleared.
Not saying they are wrong, but is that even a scientific test with a different background colour?
Anyway, nobody should really be buying a 6-series when the 7 have already dropped massively in price, and I say that as a massively contented B6 owner.
You do realize Dolby Vision IS HDR right? Dolby Vision is just a better version of HDR10 because it allows for 12 bit color and the spec is mastered for upto 10000 nits of brightness while HDR10 only requires 1000 nits. Anything with Dolby Vision certification supports HDR10. When you ask is it a whole lot better, the question itself is hard to answer with regards to your specific set. You will notice DV having a brighter image with slightly better color if you viewed native DV content vs HDR10 mastered content. Right now pretty much OLED is where you get an accurate appreciation of the subtle differences due to the fact that it has infinite blacks with limited backlight around 700 nits etc. But let's say you own a midrange 4K set with 500-1000 nits sustained brightness, HDR10 would still be great but you are not able to appreciate HDR10 let alone what DV would give you. What if you have a Sony X930E or ZD9 where you're reaching 1300-1800 nits of brightness? Keep in mind a lot of 4K and HDR content at the moment is really poor. Amazon and Netflix are nothing to write home about when you have seen reference HDR10 or DV content. Besides, with things like HDR10+, changes to HDMI 2.1+, worrying about DV vs HDR10 is premature in my opinion.
One of the things they are trying to fix is increasing panel brightness, one of the weakpoints of OLED especially in bright rooms and as FALD and LED displays are getting closer to 2000+ nits etc. Image retention and input lag is another. Color accuracy is already pretty solid. With Sony and Panasonic with more skin the game, and more manufacturers jumping onboard, will be good to see how they differentiate from one another.
Endorphineforeverybody
Member
4k yes, some vids are with the 4k sign but not when you look at the actual resolution. HDR is not working at least on my XE93. Simple check your settings to see if it's triggered. Extended Dynamic Range and Brightness Max = HDR.
Ok so since I'm upgrading from a 70" TV and there's only going up in screen size It is coming down to the 75" XE90 or the MU8009E. If I get rtings correctly both are good TV's with the edge going to the XE90. However a big reason seems to be that they are priced the same. In Germany though at least the XE90 is at least a full 500€ more than the MU8009. Is that premium worth the difference in your opinion? Is it even that clear cut that the XE90 is better than the MU8009 in your experience?
Edit: Oh and I can't find the LG 75SJ955V on rtings, should I consider that one as well?
Edit: Oh and I can't find the LG 75SJ955V on rtings, should I consider that one as well?
Yes. The 900E is the superior television. The sustained nit brightness alone means it is worth it. When it comes to LED/LCD, better backlighting and better blacks make all the difference. The So y 900E has better color gamut, better blacks with dimming and also brighter and sustained nit brightness. Input lag is better on the Samsung but I find it would be negligible.
If you don't plan to upgrade again for a while,spend more to get the better set. Especially at that size. You will appreciate how much better HDR and 4K content will look.
Fredrik
Member
Yup I can't get the youtube app videos up to 4K either. Thought it did tbh but at the most it seems to go up to 1440p going by the app statistics.
Could it be the connection speed? Are you wired or wireless? I'm going with 5ghz wifi and can get up to 75mps in speed tests and I thought that was enough, I guess I can't guarantee that it sits there the whole time though. But Apple TV 4K manage to output 4K so I don't know.
Did you update your YouTube app? I never updated mine so I still have the ability to choose. It is a shame how pitiful Google is with updating their apps for televisions using their Android TV. While I love the utility, they really need to revamp almost all of it. Below is a photo of how I can still choose and see what the video is playing on.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Yep I knew that. But it's just that I haven't been able to really properly try it out yet. When the Xbox One X comes out I will soon buy my first 4K BR disc, which likely will be Logan. Unless I'm mistaken I think that one has HDR support. And it will be the first time I'm really properly seeing HDR in a movie. Should be quite something.
Fredrik
Member
Sigh, I can't choose anything like that, there is no manual settings of the video quality. And the TV updated itself at the initial setup. Is it possible to remove the youtube app and set it to not auto update?Did you update your YouTube app? I never updated mine so I still have the ability to choose. It is a shame how pitiful Google is with updating their apps for televisions using their Android TV. While I love the utility, they really need to revamp almost all of it. Below is a photo of how I can still choose and see what the video is playing on.
Love the picture quality on the TV but the Android UI is crap.