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[GinoFelino]

It's kind of a lost cause with that poster. Seems to always jump at the chance to amplify flaws in LG Tv's and turn around to recommend Sony Tv's for some reason.

I've just been touting the advantages of a 2016 LG set. Would you please get in the fucking sea with this bias shit already?

Edit: great, first post. ITT: people who own an LG OLED are sensitive to recommendations of other TVs over an OLED in some use cases.

 

[Madness]

Sigh, I can't choose anything like that, there is no manual settings of the video quality. And the TV updated itself at the initial setup. Is it possible to remove the youtube app and set it to not auto update?
Love the picture quality on the TV but the Android UI is crap.

Hmmm, if the set auto-updated,maybe turn auto updates off. Go to the apps part in settings. Force stop, disable youtube and when it says uninstall updates, click yes and then have it disabled and only base version, then enable it again and see what you get. I think because my set is older and I heard how the YouTube app changed the ability to pick settings, I kept my app not updated.

 

[GinoFelino]

My guess is a brighter display, maybe around 900-1000 nits, better near-black performance, HDMI 2.1, HDR10+ support and hopefully 4K 120hz.

Watch none of these happen

That's extremely cynical

4K120 is a HDMI bottleneck. If any manufacturers deny us even that, they're only leaving the door open for other brands to implement it with little effort

 

[Fredrik]

Yep I knew that. But it's just that I haven't been able to really properly try it out yet. When the Xbox One X comes out I will soon buy my first 4K BR disc, which likely will be Logan. Unless I'm mistaken I think that one has HDR support. And it will be the first time I'm really properly seeing HDR in a movie. Should be quite something.

You should check out the new Apple TV 4K, it's quite awesome tbh, even the screen saves makes you go wow, and HDR on the xe9305 is nuts, looks sooo good since it's so bright, explosions, sunshine etc looks fantastic.

I had to swap out some cables to get 4K 60hz HDR though, it was just flickering with the first cable even though it was capable of 18gbps and with 2.4ghz wifi it couldn't hold 4K, the resolution was all over the place. But with the new cable and 5ghz wifi and MIMO it sits there perfectly. Still planning on use a wired connection to not have to worry about it.

 

[Wolf Akela]

Can anyone help me with this issue? None of our phones (mostly flagship Samsung) can find our Samsung TV when it comes to Screen Mirroring, but casting works fine. Already tried updating and some googling but ended up with nothing.

Screen Mirroring is definitely in the manual. The irony is that we didn't have this issue on our old Sony TV. The TVs and the phones are definitely in the same network. Does the TV need to be wired or something?

 

[GinoFelino]

I wonder if they'll come out with Displayport > HDMI 2.1 cables

That way, they could circumvent having to buy a new graphics card/PC to use your TV as a monitor at higher framerates at higher resolution

 

[Guerrilla]

Yes. The 900E is the superior television. The sustained nit brightness alone means it is worth it. When it comes to LED/LCD, better backlighting and better blacks make all the difference. The So y 900E has better color gamut, better blacks with dimming and also brighter and sustained nit brightness. Input lag is better on the Samsung but I find it would be negligible.

If you don't plan to upgrade again for a while,spend more to get the better set. Especially at that size. You will appreciate how much better HDR and 4K content will look.

Thanks! Sony it is then Yeah since this is gonna be an above 3k€ investement It has to last for like 4-5 years or else my Wife is going to kill me

 

[BumRush]

A lot of 2.1 chatter in here. Sorry if I missed it, but have we had any update on WHEN it's coming? Was supposed to be a few months ago.

 

[GinoFelino]

A lot of 2.1 chatter in here. Sorry if I missed it, but have we had any update on WHEN it's coming? Was supposed to be a few months ago.

The spec has been confirmed, but you likely won't hear about its first implementations until CES.

 

[Mega Caprison]

Sooo have you guys have an incident and got a water spill on your SUHD screen? It happen to me on my Samsung KS7000 and it hurt me big time. If I wanna repair it I'll have to replace the screen for $400 (its half what I bought). Now because of that, Im not into gaming anymore, sigh

 

[BumRush]

The spec has been confirmed, but you likely won't hear about its first implementations until CES.

I guess that makes sense, as CES is right around the corner. Thanks.

 

[theSlacker]

Welp, it's time for me to stop being a pleb and get a better sound solution then just the TV speakers. Is there a decent easy soundbar solution to hold me over till I can do a bunch of research on a receiver/speaker set that suits my needs? Just want something that wouldn't have any issue with video gaming since that is the primary use of my TV. Price, high or low, isn't really an issue, I just want something that works well and there are so many options that I get choice paralysis just from looking at it all.

Feels bad not having a good sound set up, not to mention odd for me, since even my retro setup has some bookshelf speakers

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

You should check out the new Apple TV 4K, it's quite awesome tbh, even the screen saves makes you go wow, and HDR on the xe9305 is nuts, looks sooo good since it's so bright, explosions, sunshine etc looks fantastic.

I had to swap out some cables to get 4K 60hz HDR though, it was just flickering with the first cable even though it was capable of 18gbps and with 2.4ghz wifi it couldn't hold 4K, the resolution was all over the place. But with the new cable and 5ghz wifi and MIMO it sits there perfectly. Still planning on use a wired connection to not have to worry about it.

Are you by chance quoting the wrong person?

I mean isn't Apple TV a device and XE9305 a TV? I have a B6 myself, i hopefully won't be needing a new TV for a long time. So i'm kinda wondering what you meant with this.

 

[tokkun]

Umm, VRR is part of HDMI 2.1's spec, so if it doesn't have it then it's not going to be able to carry the HDMI 2.1 certification if it doesn't support VRR, unless something has changed.

https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_1/

If supporting every feature were required, then we wouldn't see any HDMI 2.1 consumer devices for quite a few years, since 8K/60 is part of the spec.

The HDMI features are optional. Devices can still be advertised as HDMI 2.1 without supporting every feature. I expect we will see a slow rollout of features, with 2018 sets supporting some subset of the standard and more features being added in the following years. Game Mode VRR specifically seems like one of the more technically difficult features to implement, so I tend to think that it won't show up in 2018 sets.

 

[Deepo]

I'm having a hard time making a decision here, so I was hoping for some feedback from you fine people. I'm sitting here with a 55" LG C6 and a 55" LG C7. And I can't help shake the feeling that the C6 is somehow... better? The curve of the C6, coupled with the more reflective panel coating gives it a sense of depth that the C7 lacks. The C7 simply looks flat in comparison (it is flat, duh, but the image is as well.)

So I've come up with some pros for both panels:

C6

• Seems bigger, due to the curve
• More depth to the image, due to the curve and panel coating
• 3D, not that I ever use it
• Cheaper, since I already own it
• Better colors, though that's probably since the panel has been broken in properly, since I've had it a year

C7

• 4 HDMI ports, can keep my PC, Xbox, PS4 and Switch connected at all times
• Lower input lag (21.2ms vs 34.1ms)
• 60hz Dolby Vision
• 120hz @ 1080p
• HDR compatible Youtube app
• No light dimming (ABL) at lower light output (very good, as I use it as my PC monitor)
• Brighter, though my room is dark enough, so not that important
• Potential for more updates from LG (that's not always a good thing though)

The C7 is under a 30 day return period, so I could still return it. Or I could keep it and sell the C6 so the C7 would end up costing me about $500.

I'm really not sure what to do. Have I missed anything on the C7 that makes it better? What would you guys do? I'm thankful for any feedback.

 

[BumRush]

I'm having a hard time making a decision here, so I was hoping for some feedback from you fine people. I'm sitting here with a 55" LG C6 and a 55" LG C7. And I can't help shake the feeling that the C6 is somehow... better? The curve of the C6, coupled with the more reflective panel coating gives it a sense of depth that the C7 lacks. The C7 simply looks flat in comparison (it is flat, duh, but the image is as well.)

So I've come up with some pros for both panels:

C6

• Seems bigger, due to the curve
• More depth to the image, due to the curve and panel coating
• 3D, not that I ever use it
• Cheaper, since I already own it
• Better colors, though that's probably since the panel has been broken in properly, since I've had it a year

C7

• 4 HDMI ports, can keep my PC, Xbox, PS4 and Switch connected at all times
• Lower input lag (21.2ms vs 34.1ms)
• 60hz Dolby Vision
• 120hz @ 1080p
• HDR compatible Youtube app
• No light dimming (ABL) at lower light output (very good, as I use it as my PC monitor)
• Brighter, though my room is dark enough, so not that important
• Potential for more updates from LG (that's not always a good thing though)

The C7 is under a 30 day return period, so I could still return it. Or I could keep it and sell the C6 so the C7 would end up costing me about $500.

I'm really not sure what to do. Have I missed anything on the C7 that makes it better? What would you guys do? I'm thankful for any feedback.

My opinion? Keep the C6, get a C8 or C9 down the line. If you prefer the image, I'm not sure the C7 benefits (plus an additional $500) offset that...

 

[EvB]

I think everyone is getting ahead of themselves expecting vrr with the first HDMI 2.1 tvs. Is it possible? Yes. But reading posts from people in the industry on various forums, supporting vrr isn't just a Switch you flip, it requires pretty extensive changes to the SOC of all these tv's.

IMO you could MAYBE see vrr support in the flagship displays next year, but I wouldn't hold my breath.


Especially because the only device that would support vrr via HDMI is the Xbox one x supposedly. We'd need the next gen of video cards to support it too, and the ps5 maybe before there is even an incentive.

There were some PC monitors that had free sync added over hdmi by firmware. So it’s not impossible to think that some TVs might have a flip switched

 

[Deepo]

My opinion? Keep the C6, get a C8 or C9 down the line. If you prefer the image, I'm not sure the C7 benefits (plus an additional $500) offset that...

Yeah, I suppose that's the smart choice. I'll keep thinking on it over the weekend. Thanks for your opinion!

 

[BumRush]

Yeah, I suppose that's the smart choice. I'll keep thinking on it over the weekend. Thanks for your opinion!

So often we just think "newer is better". If your eyes prefer the C6, that's all that matters. Generally speaking, OLED tech is still pretty young. So is HDR. The big improvements didn't happen with the 7 series...they should happen soon.

 

[Kyoufu]

So is there a technical reason why OLED panels on mobile can reach 1000 nits but TVs can't?

 

[Wiped89]

So is there a technical reason why OLED panels on mobile can reach 1000 nits but TVs can't?

As far as I'm aware it's a power thing. It would take a monstrous amount of power to run a 1,000 nit OLED at a size like 55 inches+. Phones are only 6 inches.

That's what I was told. Might be completely wrong.

Also worth noting that phones' OLED displays are made by Samsung. OLED TVs are made in a different way by LG.

 

[BumRush]

So is there a technical reason why OLED panels on mobile can reach 1000 nits but TVs can't?

I'm REALLY hoping this limitation can be overcome in the next couple years. OLED tech PLUS 1,000+ nits is a dream come true.

 

[Fitts]

How’s everyone with an X900E getting on? I’ve encountered a rash of odd issues with them lately — ex. the home menu becoming extremely laggy and it taking ~ a minute to power on from standby. (the latter could only be fixed with a new main board; full reflash would work on the old board for a few hours and then it would have the same issue again)

I’m hoping Sony didn’t fumble their firmware like they did about 6 months ago, but at least that was always the same problem (no boot) with the same easy fix. (hard reset) Could just be coincidence, but there’s been an uptick on just the X900E over the past two weeks.

*Not trying to scare anyone off, it’s a good tv.

 

[Deepo]

So often we just think "newer is better". If your eyes prefer the C6, that's all that matters. Generally speaking, OLED tech is still pretty young. So is HDR. The big improvements didn't happen with the 7 series...they should happen soon.

Ok, a new exciting development in my riveting story of 2 TVs! I took a more analytical approach to identifying the differences. I had the 2 TVs set to the exact same settings, and it looked very much the same, except in darker environments. So I found a place in The Evil Within that highlighted the issue with details being lost in darker environments. Here are two shots that kinda show it, although there are some reflections and other guff at play here as well. But it gets the point across (mostly visible on the lower part of the column):

C6

C7

Both TVs were set to 40 OLED Light. I brought the C7 up to 70 OLED light, and now it actually looks the same, even a bit better! So it wasn't the curve or the panel coating at all, but a difference in how it handles the OLED Light. Not the most mindblowing solution, but a bit surprising, seeing as the C7 is supposed to be brighter.

 

[Greenymac]

How’s everyone with an X900E getting on? I’ve encountered a rash of odd issues with them lately — ex. the home menu becoming extremely laggy and it taking ~ a minute to power on from standby. (the latter could only be fixed with a new main board; full reflash would work on the old board for a few hours and then it would have the same issue again)

I’m hoping Sony didn’t fumble their firmware like they did about 6 months ago, but at least that was always the same problem (no boot) with the same easy fix. (hard reset) Could just be coincidence, but there’s been an uptick on just the X900E over the past two weeks.

*Not trying to scare anyone off, it’s a good tv.

I've had X900e for 2-3 months and haven't encountered any issues really. Firmware updated a couple weeks ago and everything is working well. Completely satisfied with this purchase, just wish there was more 4k programming.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I have a Philips 55' 5000 series 55PFL5601 and im trying to figure out the best settings for gaming as the stock game mode looks terrible.

The main thing im trying to figure out is what should typically be done with advanced settings like
Noise reduction
Black stretch
Dynamic contrast
Gamma
120 PMR
4K UHD upscaling
Macro dimming
MPEG artifact reduction
Color enhancement
Blue stretch


Can't really find any guides or calibrations for this set anywhere.

 

[Poppyseed]

Ok, a new exciting development in my riveting story of 2 TVs! I took a more analytical approach to identifying the differences. I had the 2 TVs set to the exact same settings, and it looked very much the same, except in darker environments. So I found a place in The Evil Within that highlighted the issue with details being lost in darker environments. Here are two shots that kinda show it, although there are some reflections and other guff at play here as well. But it gets the point across (mostly visible on the lower part of the column):

C6


C7


Both TVs were set to 40 OLED Light. I brought the C7 up to 70 OLED light, and now it actually looks the same, even a bit better! So it wasn't the curve or the panel coating at all, but a difference in how it handles the OLED Light. Not the most mindblowing solution, but a bit surprising, seeing as the C7 is supposed to be brighter.

Those images don’t tell us very much. Was Eco turned off in the General settings? Was the picture mode the same? Was the gamma the same? Was the dynamic contrast the same etc?

 

[BumRush]

Great projectorcentral head to head of two newish 4K (or in one case FauxK) projectors in the mid-$2000s range. Insane to think that in 2-3 years, we'll be able to watch quality 4K TV in 120" for $2000 or less.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Epson-5040ub-vs-Optoma-UHD65-review.htm

 

[III-V]

Great projectorcentral head to head of two newish 4K (or in one case FauxK) projectors in the mid-$2000s range. Insane to think that in 2-3 years, we'll be able to watch quality 4K TV in 120" for $2000 or less.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Epson-5040ub-vs-Optoma-UHD65-review.htm

Thanks for the link. Can't wait. Sitting at 100" now, 1080p of course. But the next PJ will be 4K for certain, hopefully with some HDR and also VRR.

 

[GinoFelino]

Great projectorcentral head to head of two newish 4K (or in one case FauxK) projectors in the mid-$2000s range. Insane to think that in 2-3 years, we'll be able to watch quality 4K TV in 120" for $2000 or less.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Epson-5040ub-vs-Optoma-UHD65-review.htm

4K HDR projection must be incredible

 

[Smokey]

Direct TV wants to charge me $450 to move to a 4k receiver and a 4k mini genie.

$450

GTFO

 

[MrPink93485]

It seems like those LG B7/C7's are getting quite a bit cheaper (supposedly B7's are around 1600 right now at a couple places such as through Newegg) but I had been set on the X900E for a while which I'm guessing will probably hit around 1000-1100 in November? I guess is it worth the extra $500 and go OLED or stick with the mid range price for now and upgrade 4 years or so down the line?

 

[BumRush]

Thanks for the link. Can't wait. Sitting at 100" now, 1080p of course. But the next PJ will be 4K for certain, hopefully with some HDR and also VRR.

Me neither. I'm still holding super firm with my 65" OLED in 2019, 4K projector in 2020 approach. I want HDR to mature a bit before I drop thousands of dollars.

4K HDR projection must be incredible

Agreed. I'm not sure it's there yet on the sub-$10k models but if not, it will be soon.

 

[Red-Town]

Can some one point me to good calibration settings to use with my PS4 Pro on an LG C7? SDR and HDR.

 

[tokkun]

So is there a technical reason why OLED panels on mobile can reach 1000 nits but TVs can't?

Yes, it's a pretty straightforward one.

LG uses a technology called White-OLED (WOLED) in their TVs. In a WOLED scheme, the source light emitter is sending out white light. There are filters on each subpixel that block out different parts of the spectrum to make those subpixels red / green / blue. As you can imagine, since you are filtering out most of the spectrum on each subpixel, it is not efficient and most of the brightness is lost.

Samsung uses RGB OLED in their mobile displays. In RGB OLED, the light being emitted is red / green / blue directly, so there is no need for filtering.

There were some PC monitors that had free sync added over hdmi by firmware. So it's not impossible to think that some TVs might have a flip switched

PC monitors have always had to accept a wide array of resolutions and refresh rates that are not all even multiples of each other, so their internal signal processing hardware is designed in a more flexible way. That is not the case with televisions. This is why adding VRR on TVs is viewed as a more significant technical hurdle than adding it to PC monitors.

 

[Kyoufu]

Yes, it's a pretty straightforward one.

LG uses a technology called White-OLED (WOLED) in their TVs. In a WOLED scheme, the source light emitter is sending out white light. There are filters on each subpixel that block out different parts of the spectrum to make those subpixels red / green / blue. As you can imagine, since you are filtering out most of the spectrum on each subpixel, it is not efficient and most of the brightness is lost.

Samsung uses RGB OLED in their mobile displays. In RGB OLED, the light being emitted is red / green / blue directly, so there is no need for filtering.

Interesting. Is there a reason why LG prefers WOLED over RGB OLED? I'm guessing yields are better at large panel sizes?

 

[Weevilone]

WOLED was the big breakthrough that allowed us to get these great TVs. Everyone else was chasing RGB OLED and threw in the towel on cost and yields.

 

[EvB]

Interesting. Is there a reason why LG prefers WOLED over RGB OLED? I'm guessing yields are better at large panel sizes?

Because the W adds the additional luminance that the format requires to be considered “HDR” .

 

[Kyoufu]

Because the W adds the additional luminance that the format requires to be considered “HDR” .

But AMOLED panels on the latest phones also feature HDR. I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[Madness]

WOLED was the big breakthrough that allowed us to get these great TVs. Everyone else was chasing RGB OLED and threw in the towel on cost and yields.

Yep. Aside from some Sony monitors including their new 30" OLED 4K reference monitor, the cost, size limitations and aesthetics is why RGB OLED didn't take off. But with more embracing of OLED in consumer devices we are going to see innovations even in W-OLED technology. Hopefully less color shift in viewing angles, better brightness is something they continue to improve.

 

[EvB]

But AMOLED panels on the latest phones also feature HDR. I'm not sure what you mean.

The phones have significantly reduced NIT output compared to the already lacklustre output of a consumer TV OLED.
Partly because of power consumption, partly because of heat output, partly because the WOLED have a 4th sub pixel dedicated to pure white output.

 

[Afrikan]

Yeah, I suppose that's the smart choice. I'll keep thinking on it over the weekend. Thanks for your opinion!

If you do keep the C6, try out some good 3D Movies. I think you will be pleasantly surprised...and eager to watch other 3D Movies.

Pretty simple and straight forward.

I enjoyed Jurassic Park in 3D, even though I streamed it. But BluRay is the way to go.

 

[Kyoufu]

The phones have significantly reduced NIT output compared to the already lacklustre output of a consumer TV OLED.
Partly because of power consumption, partly because of heat output, partly because the WOLED have a 4th sub pixel dedicated to pure white output.

I must be really confused because a Galaxy S8 is brighter than my E6 OLED TV.

 

[FrankNitty]

I'm having a hard time making a decision here, so I was hoping for some feedback from you fine people. I'm sitting here with a 55" LG C6 and a 55" LG C7. And I can't help shake the feeling that the C6 is somehow... better? The curve of the C6, coupled with the more reflective panel coating gives it a sense of depth that the C7 lacks. The C7 simply looks flat in comparison (it is flat, duh, but the image is as well.)

So I've come up with some pros for both panels:

C6

• Seems bigger, due to the curve
• More depth to the image, due to the curve and panel coating
• 3D, not that I ever use it
• Cheaper, since I already own it
• Better colors, though that's probably since the panel has been broken in properly, since I've had it a year

C7

• 4 HDMI ports, can keep my PC, Xbox, PS4 and Switch connected at all times
• Lower input lag (21.2ms vs 34.1ms)
• 60hz Dolby Vision
• 120hz @ 1080p
• HDR compatible Youtube app
• No light dimming (ABL) at lower light output (very good, as I use it as my PC monitor)
• Brighter, though my room is dark enough, so not that important
• Potential for more updates from LG (that's not always a good thing though)

The C7 is under a 30 day return period, so I could still return it. Or I could keep it and sell the C6 so the C7 would end up costing me about $500.

I'm really not sure what to do. Have I missed anything on the C7 that makes it better? What would you guys do? I'm thankful for any feedback.

Full calibration controls for Dolby vision on 7 series

 

[ReplacementPelican]

I must be really confused because a Galaxy S8 is brighter than my E6 OLED TV.

My Note 8 also feels brighter than my B6, weird.

 

[BumRush]

I must be really confused because a Galaxy S8 is brighter than my E6 OLED TV.

Quick Google search says the S8 does over 1,000 nits at peak

 

[Kyoufu]

Quick Google search says the S8 does over 1,000 nits at peak

That's what I meant when replying to the "reduced NIT output on phones". Phones in 2017 are kicking my TV's ass in brightness lol.

 

[fixuis]

What is everyone's take on the Hi-Sense brand tv's available at Walmart?

 

[BumRush]

That's what I meant when replying to the "reduced NIT output on phones". Phones in 2017 are kicking my TV's ass in brightness lol.

Yeah I absolutely agree with you.

I'll be terribly disappointed if they don't get 1,000+ nits by 2019.

 

[Madness]

Yeah I absolutely agree with you.

I'll be terribly disappointed if they don't get 1,000+ nits by 2019.

It depends on feasibility. LG was pretty much the only panel manufacturer in the game and discounting heavily around black friday to get sales. Now there other brands, more money and investment in OLED. I hope Sony finds some way to use their ability to massively increase nit brightness in their LED/LCD's using that master drive backlighting system to do some kind of magic on LG's panels. They were able to do their processing magic for the IQ and motion.

An OLED panel putting out 1000+ nits of brightness with their inky blacks means the beginning of the end for LED/LCD for good.