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People posting "me too" on social media if they've been sexually harassed/assaulted

jdstorm

Banned
My wife has been debating with herself on whether or not to join in. She's spent years working through it all with personal and professional help. She's at the point where she's not letting it own her, then this Me Too thing shows up and it's all over her social media. Kept her up at night trying to figure out if she's an asshole for not wanting to partake. Haven't really had a good response to it if I'm honest. It's definitely made me wonder how many people are in similar shoes as her and hanging back.

My 2cents

Her Story is hers to tell as she see's fit. If her experiences are personal beyond what she is willing to share on social media then she's not an asshole. She's just someone who doesn't want social media to know something thats very personal to her.
 
Never been harassed myself but seeing so many friends indicate they have is saddening.

Edit: If we count game chat that's pretty much everyone who has ever played a game online. Which in and of itself speaks to the magnitude of toxicity.
 
My 2cents

Her Story is hers to tell as she see's fit. If her experiences are personal beyond what she is willing to share on social media then she's not an asshole. She's just someone who doesn't want social media to know something thats very personal to her.

I agree with this post.

Adding to that however, not speaking out about it or sharing in the smallest way only goes to show how so many men are able to get away with it because of the fact that women dont say anything. I feel now we are in the point where social media HELPS to deter people from commiting such a heinous act.

Personally, nearly every girl I've dated/been with has been sexually abused as a child or raped. It's really messed up and it breaks my heart to hear it from them even though they never share details. Whenever I date a girl I ask her about her childhood and when they can't really remember things I know it has to do with the abuse.
 
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Deleted member 1235

Unconfirmed Member
The fact that a person posts "Me too" either way does not equate the two.

Look at it this way - If all people who were millionaires posted "Me too," would the fact that people who "only" had $1 million and people who had $35 billion both posted "Me too," would that be equating millionaires and billionaires?
The billionaires clearly wouldn't want to be grouped with the millionaires I'm pretty sure. It doesn't matter though, being that no other response here seems even remotely concerned about it, I'll just drop it.
 

8byte

Banned
Someone on my Facebook feed compared this to #Kony2012. When I said that wasn't a valid comparison and she was missing the point, another young lady called me out for mansplaining and being fragile.

I didn't respond further, since I didn't want to take away from the discussion or frame it around myself, but man, very weird emotions I don't typically have.

Feels weird, man.
 

Sophia

Member
A small sample of the sexual harassment I've seen directed at me, just playing Overwatch online. All because I dared speak up in the middle of the game and/or was doing well.

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This is just what I've been able to screen-capture too. There's been a lot more of it that I haven't been able to get proof of. To say nothing of being harassed or catcalled in MMORPGs simply for playing a female avatar.

I've been fortunate enough to avoid sexual harassment in real life for the most part, due to being diligent, but I've harassed online quite a bit. The worst was years ago where someone openly attacked and mocked me in a community I was in, all because I was transgender. It's way too common online. :(

A lot of friends I've known have been sexually harassed or assaulted in real life too. So this topic is kind of close to home to me >_<;
 
Someone on my Facebook feed compared this to #Kony2012. When I said that wasn't a valid comparison and she was missing the point, another young lady called me out for mansplaining and being fragile.

I didn't respond further, since I didn't want to take away from the discussion or frame it around myself, but man, very weird emotions I don't typically have.

Feels weird, man.

People are idiots
 
I spanked a girl's ass I hardly knew in high school at a dance.

Extremely uncharacteristic of me, Im pretty shy around most girls.

In the midst of all of the #metoo posts, it hurts so much to know I have contributed. I'ma do the best I can to teach and correct behavior from myself and those around me from now on.

This has been a really eye-opening few days and I hope a lot of people are learning
 
Someone on my Facebook feed compared this to #Kony2012. When I said that wasn't a valid comparison and she was missing the point, another young lady called me out for mansplaining and being fragile.

I didn't respond further, since I didn't want to take away from the discussion or frame it around myself, but man, very weird emotions I don't typically have.

Feels weird, man.

This shit makes discussion so impossible.

I've had things happen in my past to me that I'm really uncomfortable with but I made peace with it years ago. I'd also been in situations with on again off again girlfriends with contrasting signals where my advances have probably been incorrect in the timing. Being victim of such things is unfortunately part of the human experience. I have no answers for anyone, just mountains of questions.
 
Well, let's do this. Growing up, starting when I was around 13-14, a neighbour of mine (he was around 70/80 years old) used to talk to me about all kinds of different stuff - politics were a major subject (he was a somewhat important person, later found out he was a fascist who had meetings with former Nazi politicians and SS members). A few months later, he started to talk to me about sexual stuff - what he used to do when he was younger, his first experiences, circle jerks with his friends, that sort of stuff, and he asked me if I had experienced something of the sort. I never replied, just shrugged. And he started to invite me to go to his house, you know, to hang out with him and jerk off, if I wanted to, of course. I never accepted his invitations, but they kept coming up in conversations and they deeply unsettled me. The first few times, I guess I ignored them and thought they were meaningless banter or whatever - but his insistence meant that he was actually being serious. At the same time, he talked about introducing me and my older brother to Freemasonry (he was a Freemason, also an important person there). If this shit sounds like a Dan Brown novel, imagine how it felt like. For years, I never understood why other people liked him so much, and why his sheer presence annoyed me so much. It took me a few years to finally realize that his behavior was harmful, that I was feeling harassed and that I wasn't in the wrong (because he was so widely liked in the neighbourhood, I felt like I must have been crazy for avoiding him every time we crossed paths). The sexual harassment stopped when I turned 17-18. Curiously enough, he criticized some well-known politicians that he was friends with due to their pedophile behaviours. And he was staunchly Conservative (well, it comes with the fascism, I guess?), with all the social consequences that that implies.

This is probably just the third time I talk about this - I talked to my brother this summer (the man passed away earlier this year, so it came up), and I talked to my boyfriend about this. They both were really supportive. I'm a lucky person, and I'm lucky things didn't go past invitations and innuendo.

So yes, I would wager sexual harassment and misconduct is wide. And we need to figure out better ways to deal with this.
 
I "me too"'d earlier in the thread, but figure I'll share one of my stories of harassment.

A coworker became a friend outside of work as well, and she was very into me sexually. However, I never reciprocated those feelings. It started subtly enough, but eventually escalating to her hand rising up dangerously high on the inside of my leg; telling me how she loves giving blowjobs, saying it'd be fine if I nutted in her mouth, etc. Never graduated to straight up assault, but probably would have had I let it keep going on.

Even when I finally worked up the courage to explicitly say what I felt about the situation (because my very clear body language wasn't doing the trick, apparently), I still found myself comforting her when she broke down crying. She said she felt bad about it, and she'd stop. And she did... for about a month or two. And then it started again. Wasn't until I ghosted her that it finally stopped.

And all throughout, friends who knew her/of her were constantly saying I should bang her, or assuming I did and was just being coy about it. Even this past summer when I was working a public event, and she came to our tent to see me, my boss sent me on a break to chat her up for his amusement (I'd taken my break about an hour prior). My protestations fell on deaf ears. Thankfully nothing happened since she was with her boyfriend, but if not, who knows?

Anyhow, it's sad how common and even accepted harassment and assault are. Hopefully we can all open our eyes and effect change.
 

Farsi

Member
Me too.

I've been in the reply to thread section for the past 10-15 minutes just reflecting, my heart is pumping and all I'm getting from my head is "Get over it." "Stop being weak."
 

Reeks

Member
The billionaires clearly wouldn't want to be grouped with the millionaires I'm pretty sure. It doesn't matter though, being that no other response here seems even remotely concerned about it, I'll just drop it.

It's a fine line to walk but honestly I think it's worth mentioning. I talked about it in my previous post because it was making me feel weird. The two aren't being equated but when the OP reads "harassment/assault" it's not entirely out of left field to bring this up. I think it's ok to include it in the discussion. These things are complex.
 

Zaphrynn

Member
All the people saying they're "surprised" (or other such terms) by people they know saying "me too" - did you really think that they were immune from it or something? I don't mean to be callous, and obviously this kind of "bringing things to light" is in part to make people more aware, but, with how prevalent sexual harassment is, I'm not sure there's anyone I would say I would be "surprised" to know had it happen to them. Which is, of course, a very sad thing, and not to take aware from the enormity of things at all. Just, given how things are, someone saying that they've been sexually harassed isn't something I would find surprising.

I think a lot of people view themselves and the people in their lives as somewhat invincible, especially if they're significantly older than us. And if it's family, I think it's easy to forget about their day to day lives.

#metoo. Don't feel obligated to say or not say, whether male, female, or nonbinary. Everyone's feelings and experiences are valid.
 

Weckum

Member
It hurts seeing how many of my friends have gone through this.

Saw this post as well, might have been posted here already but worth sharing:

Today my timeline is full of decent men asking, "How can I help?" I'm going to take this question as sincere, and give a few suggestions.
In response to those who are asking, yes, you can share this, thanks for being interested in doing so.

Here are some concrete ways men can help:

1. Practice these phrases: "That's not cool" and "That's a shitty thing to say". Say them to other men who are saying disrespectful things to or about women.

2. Follow some feminist writers on social media. Sometimes what they write may seem "exhausting" or "too angry". Put aside that discomfort because that feeling is your male privilege allowing you to disengage from an important conversation that womxn don't get to disengage from. Here are some accounts I like- but there are lots. Follow a few.
www.twitter.com/ijeomaoluo
www.twitter.com/manwhohasitall
www.twitter.com/FeministaJones

3. Boost female voices. When there's an issue and you're going to share an article about it- especially if it's a gender issue- take a minute and try to find one written by a woman (same goes for other marginalized groups- seek articles about race written by IBPOC, seek articles about disability by disabled writers, etc. "Nothing about us, without us").

4. Boost what women say at work. Listen for men dismissing women's contributions and make a habit of listening and saying things like "Hey Zahra has a point".

5. Be mindful of how you introduce women- particularly at work functions. Role-model extra respect into your introductions. So often you hear men being introduced with job titles and accolades, and women introduced as "the lovely" or "the beautiful". I guarantee that no matter how good she looks, she'd rather be introduced by her job title and accomplishments.

Relevant Washington Post article: "At conferences, male doctors are introduced as "Doctor Whoever" 72% of the time; female doctors are introduced using the word "Doctor" only 49% of the time." http://wapo.st/2kSWlba

Doing this subtly tells the listener that the women's qualifications are lesser-than. Go out of your way to correct this by introducing women (and others from marginalized groups- racialized, disabled, young-looking, whatever) using their full job titles and accolades.

6. At work or out in the world, don't call women cutesy names like "honey, baby, darling, kiddo, young lady, girl, or dear". This is a subtle way of putting them down, elevating your own status over them as a man who is choosing to vote them as attractive, and reminding them and all present that they're just cute little ladies that nobody should listen to. Make a special effort to speak to women using the kind of person-to-person respectful address you use when speaking with male colleagues. Hint: Use their name. If you slip up and call your colleague "young lady" or some other bullshit like that, it's cool to say something about it, like "I'm sorry I called you that- it's disrespectful."

7. Seek enthusiastic consent in your sexual encounters. If you're having sexy time and the other person stops reciprocating, gets quiet, seems tense or stiff, avoids making eye contact, pauses, or otherwise slows the tempo of the encounter, then you should.... STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

Reframe how you think of consent. You're not supposed to just "go for it" until someone yells NO and that's when you stop. That's old-fashioned and gross. And she might not be able to explicitly say no, because she has very likely been assaulted before and she might freeze when stressed- that's a side effect of all this "me too".

People shouldn't have to explicitly say no. Instead, slow down. At every step, listen with your ears (or ask with your words) for the word "yes", and then you can escalate the encounter together. Seek explicit and enthusiastic and active consent before you proceed. Proceed together. And constantly observe the other person's body language for the hesitations that mean "no". If this means you have to cut down on alcohol or substances to stay present and have self-control, please do that.

8. Don't use gendered or misogynist insults. Bitch, cunt, slut, pussy, f*g, girly, sissy, cuck, etc. Use insults that work on everyone rather than insults that specifically target the feminine as weak, lesser, and undesirable. "Asshole" is a nice multipurpose choice- we all have one.

9. If there are little boys, teen boys, and young men in your life, role-model that the feminine is not less-than. Challenge them on their dismissive ideas around what counts as "girl stuff". Buy them a doll. Paint your nails together. Show up wearing pink. Do something feminine in a way that embraces the feminine as a valid way of being, not in a way that mocks femininity. Buy them books and watch TV and movies that prominently feature female characters. Verbally challenge their stereotypes about what men do and how women are lesser. Seeing women as people starts in infancy.

10. Avoid telling little girls they're pretty and cute or commenting on their hairstyle or clothing. I know, little girls often wear fun stuff and it's easy to comment on. But it tells her, and the little boys nearby, that girls should be valued first and foremost for their looks.

Instead, try things like "What kind of toy is that? That looks fun, what is it? Are you reading any good books? What's your favourite subject in school? What kind of things do you like to do? Do you have a favourite animal? May I ask your advice, should I purchase the apples or the grapes?" There are so many things to talk about.

11. When a woman is walking alone and you end up walking behind her- especially in dark or secluded areas- please slow down to increase the distance between you, or, better yet, cross the street. Literally go out of your way to help her feel that you're not following her.

12. Teach your elders to do better. Pervy Grandpa and Racist Grandma might seem harmless at Xmas dinner but as their health declines, they will largely end up being cared for by women and POC who don't deserve dehumanizing treatment. Call it out. You can teach old dogs new tricks and you should definitely try.

13. Don't argue so much in conversations around types of oppression that you don't personally experience. Keep an eye open for our culture's gross habit of putting the onus on the oppressed persons to dredge up their pain for inspection (only for us to then dismiss it as "just one instance which they probably either caused or misinterpreted anyway"). Instead, try this- if you don't believe something is an issue, use the Googles. Find, say, three articles *written by people in that demographic*, and read them. Look for patterns in their analyses. You'll find that these ideas aren't weird militant fringe notions- oppression is a widely-accepted and statistically-supported phenomenon and a lot of insightful people are talking about it. Avoid the hot takes and go to the source- the people who experience the issue firsthand.

14. If you feel uncomfortable during conversations about sexism (or racism, or ableism, or cultural appropriation, or whatever- because all these systems are related, google "kyriarchy" to learn more), the only correct response is to be quiet and listen and try to focus on the topic at hand rather than centre your own feelings. It's hard. It's worthwhile.

Thanks for trying to be decent men. We see you.
 
Thought about doing it. But I have a pair of siblings that follow me on twitter. I've never told them or, really, anybody except my girlfriend. But I'm proud of everyone brave enough to come forward. This is depressingly common.
 

Jzero

Member
I posted a me too before it was cool, people seriously need to stop touching other people jesus christ.

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Sawneeks

Banned
Me too.

Me too.

I've been in the reply to thread section for the past 10-15 minutes just reflecting, my heart is pumping and all I'm getting from my head is "Get over it." "Stop being weak."

You are not alone in this. I had never said anything in regards to what happened to me because of embarrassment and feeling ashamed. It took me hours of debating with myself to post the words 'Me too' to a community of friends earlier and it's still hard to say so now.
 

8byte

Banned
That's a garbage person doing her best to ruin whatever legitimacy the term "mansplaining" may have.

Someone else told me this in a private message, which makes sense.

This shit makes discussion so impossible.

I've had things happen in my past to me that I'm really uncomfortable with but I made peace with it years ago. I'd also been in situations with on again off again girlfriends with contrasting signals where my advances have probably been incorrect in the timing. Being victim of such things is unfortunately part of the human experience. I have no answers for anyone, just mountains of questions.

My biggest problem was the stifled discussion. I wanted to engage further and have a productive discussion on the matter, but after that comment I just disengaged. It felt useless to really try to say anything, as the input would probably be met with more "mansplaining" allegations. Thankfully, most of the people in the discussion were on "my" side (really just the side that comparing Kony to people speaking out about assault is rather absurd), so I don't shoulder a lot of guilt or feel like I did anything wrong.

I did eventually respond to one of her posts (long after she called me out by name) because she asserted that men has no place in the "me too" discussion, which I felt was a bit short sighted. If we don't involve the party of whom the discussion is (mostly) centered around, then we can't have any meaningful dialogue or progress. Furthermore, I was bothered because I know a few good friends (men) who have been assaulted or harassed by people, and to have their legitimacy questioned or thrown away from the discussion on stopping this kind of behavior was just really upsetting to me.

Either way, I've since turned off notifications after I said my peace. She seemed like the kind of person who was looking for vindication and the last word, so I'll give her that and move on with my conscience in tact.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Me too.

I've been in the reply to thread section for the past 10-15 minutes just reflecting, my heart is pumping and all I'm getting from my head is "Get over it." "Stop being weak."

It's important to recognize that being vulnerable or having been put into a position of vulnerability isn't a sin or a mark against you as a person. Strength is valuable, but also the ability to recognize when you're hurting or being hurt.
 

KingK

Member
Related to the topic, I have a friend who was recently talking to me about some of her past relationships and mentioned how there's been a few times where she's had sex with dudes while blacked out and doesn't even remember it or who they are when she wakes up. I said that sounds like rape to me, you can't consent in that condition. She just gave me a look and says "no it's just drunk sex. I don't like it but you just lay there until it's over and pass out." Again I said that sounds like rape to me and she says I'm being stupid and changed the topic. Another time very recently she said one of her co-workers (she's a waitress) grabbed her ponytail and pulled her ass against his dick and it pissed her off. I said that's not fucking cool, that's sexual assault, and she just shrugged it off like "no, he's a good guy, everyone in the kitchen jokes around like that he just took it too far."

Like I really don't know what to say to her when she brings up stuff like this because it really pisses me off be she just seems to shrug it off as no big deal.
 

surfacefish

Neo Member
It still fails them sadly. But more should still document and come forward especially against powerful men.

It's a sad truth. An even sadder one is when that power is used to arrange situations and environments that involve obsessive grooming, teaching co-dependancy, desensitising someone to lack of boundaries, sexual abuse and much more. Then abusing that power to keep the person from speaking up or arranging further situations to make them look bad. It's great that this sort of thing is being spoken up on more instead of it being taught and cycles repeating.

I have been taught a lot by some people who understand how often the system fails to address these problems. I hope resources get put into education on this.
 

FUME5

Member
My timeline is depressing, but not at all surprising, a lot of my female friends have told me their experiences in the past.
 
It hurts seeing how many of my friends have gone through this.

Saw this post as well, might have been posted here already but worth sharing:
Imo that post has flaws as it focus too much on one gender but I won't comment on it.


I'm often groped at night bars and once had an homosexual guy asking me to do things with him in exchange for money and things. To be honest it didn't scarred me or anything maybe because I faced those people and solved the issue right there. I don't know.

I'm a guy. #metoo I guess?
 

The Kree

Banned
I thought this article made a lot of good points about how what real change looks like beyond tweeting hashtags.

WaPo OpEd: Why I thought twice before saying #MeToo

Moments of new awareness have often led to genuine improvements in law and culture. Two 1979 court cases helped advance the movement to treat marital rape as a crime, rather than as an assertion of a man's ownership of his wife. Hill's testimony encouraged sexual harassment victims to file complaints with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and helped dissolve opposition, including from the White House, to a bill that helped those victims pursue damages, back pay and reinstatement to their jobs if they had been terminated. Time and time again, brave women have opened the necessary space for change, and time and time again, those around them have made some progress. They just haven't made nearly enough.

Now, the moment created by the alleged depredations of Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly and even Donald Trump raises the question of what we will do in this generation. Will lawmakers crack down on the practice of forcing employees who come forward with sexual harassment allegations into confidential arbitration proceedings, rather than letting them seek jury trials for their claims, as Ailes tried to do after Gretchen Carlson accused him of harassment? What about the confidential financial settlements that Weinstein used to silence accusers? These provisions are intended to prevent companies from the grievous exposure that the Weinstein Co. is currently experiencing. But they also deny the public a close look at the rot that eats away at organizations that tolerate this kind of behavior.

More narrowly, will the entertainment industry end the practice of conducting meetings in hotel suites? Will Weinstein be just the first person expelled from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences for his conduct, the beginning of an industry-wide house-cleaning? Or will he also be the last, his downfall a fig leaf for larger inaction? What can Hollywood do to assure that no producers, directors or studio heads become so powerful that their desire to prey on the most vulnerable players in the business is tolerated as the cost of doing business?
 

Jintor

Member
One of the most eye-opening moments for me was realising that no woman I know doesn't have some kind of anti-sexual assault strategy in place if the need arises.
 

Jzero

Member
Yeah, that's the impression I got from it as well.
I could be reading it wrong, but terms like:
"Cougars"
"Sugar Mamas"
Are generally used more in a positive/jesting manner.
Cougars = horny older women
Sugar Mama's = wealthier women who come to gamble at my job and give us tips

Getting fucking groped and getting told how sexy and handsome I am without my consent was definitely not a "positive"
 
Me too.
I felt the out of body experience when that happened. Still angry I didn't fight back. I wish I was more confronting. Fuck that old guy!
 

El_Mau

Member
Amazing to see lots of gaffers surprised by this, all of my close female friends have told me more than one story when they were harassed by strangers or people they knew, and all of those stories started at 12-13 years old, so yes, it's pretty common.
 
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