wumster3000
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IMO, yes. But, GTS is still a good game.
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Gran Turismo Sport - Review Thread
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Hey man, that still hurts.
Me as well. Didn't expect many reviewers to compare this to the past few games.
I feel you are underselling GT3. GT3 had a lot of things going for it. Sure it had less content than GT2 but what was there was well balanced. The campaign was very good and quite focused. The car list, though smaller, was quite varied. If you took that model and added a robust online it would likely be scoring better than GTS is scoring now.
BBQ_of_DOOM
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I think GTS has the best online racing component. But as a "car" Pokemon game, Forza is still superior. And FHorizon is still brilliant in concept and execution. That should be the mainline Forza, but alas.
I'd argue its name, the studio, and Kaz do it more of a disservice than not.
But that's what I and millions of people liked about GT 1-6...
Uhh GT3 had 85 Cup events with 10 of those being an endurance...
Seriously. I feel like that poster will say anything at this point to try and make the lack of content not seem negative or something. GT sport is fine, but the lack of single player stuff is not a good thing.
TrojanBlade
Member
That is the theme I am seeing in a lot of these reviews. The IGN review in progress, kind of sounds like 'this game is awesome' but then at the same time 'this game sucks' ... I already smell a 6 or 7/10 from them. To me this seems like one of the best GT game that PD has done. The presentation is top notch, the visuals are stunning, the sound is much improved from last GTs, quality is consistent across board unlike previous GTs ... the only problem is it does not have 1000s of cars which all feel the same. Here at least each car is distinct and it feels different when driven. And of course the online connection which I think is the only real issue here. Not sure if they can fix that down the road with an update to remove that requirement. But I feel like GT needed something fresh and this game brings that to the series. But not everyone will like the changes.
Quit with the hyperbole, it drags down your argument. The GT series set a standard that fans expected. Of course some reviewers are going to compare it to the previous games.
The bombcast discussion wasn't so bad actually and they make some decent points(and some not so much):
-Peter Brown was very strong on the racing model. Loves the feel. Jeff was about to dig in, but stopped the moment Peter began his lavish praise.
-They commend the tutorials and the attempt to appreciably get players to understand the driving tactics effectively(but both seem uncertain how to parse the helpful youtube videos in claiming that tenth of a second gap to gold though).
-They are both down on the lobby system for online as it has no matchmaking options and there is no real quick or reliable path to go from menu->unranked online race with ease. (I am in agreement here actually)
-They both dislike the 'Sport' mode due to the staggered event list, Jeff especially hated waiting 15m through qualifying races to do one online event on the oval. They both also really disliked feeling penalized by losing rank points to aggressive day 1 drivers that ram them despite making attempts to be cautious themselves. (Arguably this will be a problem for a majority of players, at least until the chaff is broken-in and the assholes move on)
-They both question the effectiveness of the tournament structure. November events feel too distant to care. General unwillingness on both to actively participate or engage with the game until then. (Self-defeating on their part, but they have a point that the online framework is currently missing a more reliable method to get in and race with greater accessibility to practice sportsmanship in a way AI races just cannot)
-Car selection issues(hard to argue here)
-They both do at least agree the game is 'neat and bold' but very much appealing to a specific type of player that they both do not inhabit. (They aren't wrong really) Though their pettiness at balking over the 'museum' aspects and videos comes across as pretentious. Largely contemptuous on their part given their tone and it was kind of hard to listen to.
-Peter Brown was very strong on the racing model. Loves the feel. Jeff was about to dig in, but stopped the moment Peter began his lavish praise.
-They commend the tutorials and the attempt to appreciably get players to understand the driving tactics effectively(but both seem uncertain how to parse the helpful youtube videos in claiming that tenth of a second gap to gold though).
-They are both down on the lobby system for online as it has no matchmaking options and there is no real quick or reliable path to go from menu->unranked online race with ease. (I am in agreement here actually)
-They both dislike the 'Sport' mode due to the staggered event list, Jeff especially hated waiting 15m through qualifying races to do one online event on the oval. They both also really disliked feeling penalized by losing rank points to aggressive day 1 drivers that ram them despite making attempts to be cautious themselves. (Arguably this will be a problem for a majority of players, at least until the chaff is broken-in and the assholes move on)
-They both question the effectiveness of the tournament structure. November events feel too distant to care. General unwillingness on both to actively participate or engage with the game until then. (Self-defeating on their part, but they have a point that the online framework is currently missing a more reliable method to get in and race with greater accessibility to practice sportsmanship in a way AI races just cannot)
-Car selection issues(hard to argue here)
-They both do at least agree the game is 'neat and bold' but very much appealing to a specific type of player that they both do not inhabit. (They aren't wrong really) Though their pettiness at balking over the 'museum' aspects and videos comes across as pretentious. Largely contemptuous on their part given their tone and it was kind of hard to listen to.
Omnistalgic
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Reviews are exactly what I expected, just thought it would hover to mid 80s like an 83 or 84...
Still can get there, but probably settle at 80 on the nose.
My overall impression is great foundation, will be the best GT after a few solid updates, at launch, when compared to competition its an 8/10 game. For me personally, because I was so tired of the formula its a 9/10.
The only gripe the more casual fans make and I agree with is GT7 should have came first even if it was largely GT6 upgraded, and GTS will be more well received by all fans. The lower scores are unfortunately not do to quality but fans expectations from previous iterations.
Still can get there, but probably settle at 80 on the nose.
My overall impression is great foundation, will be the best GT after a few solid updates, at launch, when compared to competition its an 8/10 game. For me personally, because I was so tired of the formula its a 9/10.
The only gripe the more casual fans make and I agree with is GT7 should have came first even if it was largely GT6 upgraded, and GTS will be more well received by all fans. The lower scores are unfortunately not do to quality but fans expectations from previous iterations.
Tomeru
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Some wounds will never heal.
spazchicken
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How in depth is the VR mode?
Can I play the entire game in VR or is it limited in some way?
Can I play the entire game in VR or is it limited in some way?
Limited to a one-on-one AI race mode on select tracks. There's not even a Time Trial mode for VR. I'm bummed out about this.
If I have read the impressions correctly it is limited to just 1 vs 1(AI).
seattle6418
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I wasn´t going to spend a lot of time arguing about this game online, but it´s almost impossible to resist considering some of the arguments.
"the game is online focused, did you really wanted another overpowered Sunday Cup drive" is not an argument because the online focus is just a rating system.
Other than that you have matchmaking like in GT5P and regular lobbies like GT5 and GT6. Having a rating system is not an advancement that justifies reducing the career mode to an overblown license test thing.
You can have both, so it´s not fair to say that this game has a trimmed down career mode due to the online focus.
The main thing with this game is the lack of content, even the creation of special models and paint brush-like tracks is an effort to produce a bare minimum because they didn´t had PS4 assets ready.
Of course the criticism is valid, who is this game for? That´s the first thing i would ask as a reviewer.
You have two groups: the casual racing fan and the hardcore sim racing guy
The casual group expects the following in a GT game:
Carpg, hundreds and hundreds of cars from different eras to collect
Lots of cool cars
The ability to buy parts and improve this car
Lots of tracks
Lots of events in the career mode to use the multitude of cars accumulated.
The hardcore sim racing guy expects the following:
FIA homologated racing cars from real racing series.
Real tracks
Realistic physics that punish reckless driving, specially when downshifting and braking/turning
Competitions with realistic rules.
Realistic setups, realistic FFB
You take a look at GTS and realize that the game doesn´t really please either group. In the end a good chunk of people end up enjoying for different reasons, but focus on hardcore racing without offering any hardcore elements to support is just hard to understand.
The logic would be to cater to the first group and offer a traditional GT game, with hundreds of cars and tracks, but guess what? They don´t have content ready to go this route, so all this effort and PR to say that the focus has shifted when in fact reintroducing matchmaking and creating a rating system are not excluding features when you measure up with content.
Reviewers will be confused because PD abandoned the usual casual GT fan to deliver a casual simulator to a hardcore crowd that does not want casual simulation.
The fact that hundreds and hundreds of people are enjoying this game for the good things that it does does not negate the paradox that this game is.
"the game is online focused, did you really wanted another overpowered Sunday Cup drive" is not an argument because the online focus is just a rating system.
Other than that you have matchmaking like in GT5P and regular lobbies like GT5 and GT6. Having a rating system is not an advancement that justifies reducing the career mode to an overblown license test thing.
You can have both, so it´s not fair to say that this game has a trimmed down career mode due to the online focus.
The main thing with this game is the lack of content, even the creation of special models and paint brush-like tracks is an effort to produce a bare minimum because they didn´t had PS4 assets ready.
Of course the criticism is valid, who is this game for? That´s the first thing i would ask as a reviewer.
You have two groups: the casual racing fan and the hardcore sim racing guy
The casual group expects the following in a GT game:
Carpg, hundreds and hundreds of cars from different eras to collect
Lots of cool cars
The ability to buy parts and improve this car
Lots of tracks
Lots of events in the career mode to use the multitude of cars accumulated.
The hardcore sim racing guy expects the following:
FIA homologated racing cars from real racing series.
Real tracks
Realistic physics that punish reckless driving, specially when downshifting and braking/turning
Competitions with realistic rules.
Realistic setups, realistic FFB
You take a look at GTS and realize that the game doesn´t really please either group. In the end a good chunk of people end up enjoying for different reasons, but focus on hardcore racing without offering any hardcore elements to support is just hard to understand.
The logic would be to cater to the first group and offer a traditional GT game, with hundreds of cars and tracks, but guess what? They don´t have content ready to go this route, so all this effort and PR to say that the focus has shifted when in fact reintroducing matchmaking and creating a rating system are not excluding features when you measure up with content.
Reviewers will be confused because PD abandoned the usual casual GT fan to deliver a casual simulator to a hardcore crowd that does not want casual simulation.
The fact that hundreds and hundreds of people are enjoying this game for the good things that it does does not negate the paradox that this game is.
Woodchipper
Member
I was just about to say this is top 3 in the franchise, but then I got reconnected and the game stopped functioning. Fucking worst game design ever!
Might have been better if they dropped the baggage of the old GT games and from the get go just said "From the Makers of Gran Turismo comes FIA SPORT"
There is nothing wrong with using the GT name to boost sales. Just as there is nothing wrong with reviewers calling them out for how different the experience is.
Prophane33
Member
Amazon JP scores are starting to trickle in now that it's been released in Japan. 2.3 out of 5 stars from 7 reviews. Complaints seem very similar to the Amazon US reviews (2.7 out of 5 from 47 reviews), such as online only, lack of cars and tracks, focus on multiplayer etc.
As someone who loves the game and followed all the info I could, even I was a bit confused on some aspects until the open beta. I think this game is going to do quite poorly among casuals.
As someone who loves the game and followed all the info I could, even I was a bit confused on some aspects until the open beta. I think this game is going to do quite poorly among casuals.
TylerDurden4321
Member
I think we all knew this, but reading it destilled in clear english... you're absolutely right.
The only people this is really for are the "casuals"(they're not all that casual, but in the racing sim sense "casual") who loved GT and loved it so much that they got more serious and competitive about it, without ever taking the next step towards buying a racing rig and getting into rFactor, iRacing, Assetto Corsa and whatnot. Of course you will still get plenty of people from both sides who buy GTS, but it's not their main thing, it's not really for them.
Great post. [formatting could be better ;D]
freefornow
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My god, those "user reviews" on meta. Ten's or Zero's accompanied by warring fanboy dribble.
Insane Metal
Member
78 Metacritic... damn
I'm not part of this million.
Unknown?
Member
Thats what makes GT releases so great! We have already seen nonsense all across the web!
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Happens with all games.
privitsan02
Member
I had a feeling 78 would be the average score. Would be very lucky to hit 80 metacritic or higher.
Some of you do realize like 70 more reviews are coming right?
The hyperbole is strong with this one.
While is kind of sad to accept all the changes to single player, I think this new direction might be better for the game for now on.
I just wish that sales are strong and Kaz/the team keeps the promise of adding single player content to the game.
The hottest takes right here brehs
It doesn't matter, the franchise is DONE.
I just wish that sales are strong and Kaz/the team keeps the promise of adding single player content to the game.
The hottest takes right here brehs
It doesn't matter, the franchise is DONE.
Not waiting for sales or reception after some time? Just 10 reviews on metacritic is enough?
Unknown?
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No. Some of them didnt realize this even at 6 total reviews judging by their posts.
Jaguar Victory
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It's the same for most exclusives sadly
eyeball_kid
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wumster3000
Member
You know this thread is about Gran Turismo and not Sega GT right? Gran Turismo is far from finished.
PackAPunchedMick
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Stillmatic
Member
GT is one of those games where reviewers and fans have a huge disconnect.
It was never going to review great, but it will sell well.
It was never going to review great, but it will sell well.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
How did we get to this on day one ?
Not many reviews yet and it's already at 78 MC with many more to come.
Also reviews won't be the deciding factor on something like that, it all comes down to sales and unless this totally flops (unlikely) then GT will carry on as a series.
Even if GT Sport doesn't do as well as expected, it's unlikely Sony would shut PD and kill GT because GT is one of the biggest sellers Sony has. They would learn from this and go back to something more traditional for the next game or add more traditional features into GT Sport with future updates.
wumster3000
Member
They are going to rip it to pieces judging by that vid. That was hard to watch.
Jesus.
potatohead
Member
A bunch of people who don't like racing games in the first place don't really like a game that is focused on being a racing game.
More after the jump.
Much better than my input well done looking through it
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Dark1x from DF made it into the Quick Look!
Game will probably have a Driveclub situation, come back later for an immensely better game.
Game will probably have a Driveclub situation, come back later for an immensely better game.
JackAubrey
Member
I think Sony should spin-off the brand to other games, just like how we now have Forza Horizon.
Kaz can take his own sweet time with the mainline game and another studio can fill the gaps with something less serious.
Back before Driveclub became a delay-fest I'd suggested to friends that Sony should bring the game under the Gran Turismo umbrella. Too late for that now.
But if Sony had its own Horizon/PGR Gran Turismo that wouldn't be a bad move would it?
Kaz can take his own sweet time with the mainline game and another studio can fill the gaps with something less serious.
Back before Driveclub became a delay-fest I'd suggested to friends that Sony should bring the game under the Gran Turismo umbrella. Too late for that now.
But if Sony had its own Horizon/PGR Gran Turismo that wouldn't be a bad move would it?
funkystudent
Member
So... GT7 "sorry, here is the car collection fun times you wanted"
Think we will get it on PS4 before the PS5?
I felt like GT5+6 are games that had a bunch of tiny annoyances.
With Sport it seems like they fixed a lot of those tiny issues but introduced much larger issues (like the entire structure of the game being questionable at best)
Think we will get it on PS4 before the PS5?
I felt like GT5+6 are games that had a bunch of tiny annoyances.
With Sport it seems like they fixed a lot of those tiny issues but introduced much larger issues (like the entire structure of the game being questionable at best)