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[Quonny]

Oh wow I didn’t even know this was a thing. I just thought it was a fish with painted lips because, woman, I dunno.

 

[Captin Quacker]

And keep in mind that isn’t always in spite, like people dressing up as Mj or Black Panther it is out of respect, there’s always going to be racism as long as people see it that way.

If you can't manage to do Mj or black partner (who's covered from head to toe in a suit) without using blackface, then your costume is shit

 

[Revolutionary]

Screenings of Breakfast at Tiffany's have been controversial for decades now because of the infamous yellow face. If you think a movie in 2017 with the same depiction would be laughed off you're living in some alternate universe from the rest of us.

Mickey Rooney isn't a fish though.

 

[bitbydeath]

I can't believe this shit is tolerated on NeoGAF. You're gross dude.

Letting go of racism is gross?
Why do you want to continue it?
Ending racism should be the goal.

 

[Enzom21]

Letting go of racism is gross?
Why do you want to continue it?
Ending racism should be the goal.

By getting people to stop being racist. Not telling people that are victim of racism to ignore it.
That is beyond idiotic.

 

[HStallion]

Letting go of racism is gross?
Why do you want to continue it?
Ending racism should be the goal.

You don't end racism by not acknowledging it. Have you ever tried to solve a serious problem? You focus on it with all your effort, not look away because its hard.

 

[bitbydeath]

People ignoring the past and saying shit like,"I don't see color" is far more detrimental to society in general than those paying attention and making a big deal.

Can you elaborate why you think this?

Screenings of Breakfast at Tiffany's have been controversial for decades now because of the infamous yellow face. If you think a movie in 2017 with the same depiction would be laughed off you're living in some alternate universe from the rest of us.

Wasn’t paying attention to American culture back then, Blackface only became known 10 or so years ago here when an American celebrity pointed it out on a TV show.

 

[ScientificPizza]

Letting go of racism is gross?
Why do you want to continue it?
Ending racism should be the goal.

How is allowing racist charicatures to exist without criticism in any way ending racism?

Blackface only became known 10 or so years ago

...................................................what

 

[bitbydeath]

By getting people to stop being racist. Not telling people that are victim of racism to ignore it.
That is beyond idiotic.

You don't end racism by not acknowledging it. Have you ever tried to solve a serious problem? You focus on it with all your effort, not look away because its hard.

Keeping it in the spotlight doesn’t help.

 

[PixelatedBookake]

Letting go of racism is gross?
Why do you want to continue it?
Ending racism should be the goal.

You....I don't like you

 

[Onimusha78]

Letting go of racism is gross?
Why do you want to continue it?
Ending racism should be the goal.

Maybe your hearts in the right place dude but this is a silly stance to take. We don't live in a utopia where we can afford to pretend skin colour isn't important. The president of one of the most powerful places in the world won an election based on the hate people have for one another. Racism won't just go away if we close our eyes and hold hands


Edit: Okay I take back the first part of that sentence

 

[ScientificPizza]

Keeping it in the spotlight doesn’t help.

Letting it just grow wild without criticism and discussion doesn’t help even more!

 

[Akronis]

Keeping it in the spotlight doesn't help.

Yes it fucking does, what nonsense are you spouting? Pointing out racism and embarrassing and shaming racists is what we should be doing every day of our lives.

Dude, you are WAY out of your element even attempting to argue this stuff. It's abundantly clear. While don't you educate yourself a bit more prior to having these sorts of conversations?

 

[Blyr]

Keeping it in the spotlight doesn’t help.

??????

Yes, it does? It lets people know this behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated under any circumstances? Sweeping it under the rug doesn't help because people who speak out about it are dismissed, and are told to suffer in silence. Wth?

 

[Kusagari]

Keeping it in the spotlight doesn’t help.

This is some disgusting sentiment.

You're just like the white people in the 60's who were fine with civil rights protests as long as they didn't actually have to see them or be inconvenienced them.

 

[L Thammy]

Here we go again, PC GAF here to run this into the ground again.

Yes, just like how racial whiteface or asianface is let go by those groups.

It’s only a big deal if you make it a big deal.

Wait, why is the guy complaining that criticism of blackface is just PC GAF so concerned with whiteface?

At any rate, there's a major difference between the mammy stereotype, which was deliberately used to whitewash slavery by showing black characters happy to serve white families. The same thing was done during slavery itself: look at songs like "Dixie" or "Old Folks at Home" where white singers in blackface lament being at the plantation.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Keeping it in the spotlight doesn't help.

Thank you for your wisdom, I'm sure black people will be happy that you finally found the solution!

 

[Claude Augario]

Sweeping racism under the rug is why America is as fucked up as it is now.

 

[ScientificPizza]

“blackface is only 10 years old” and “racism still exists because non-racists keep talking about it” is some of the most NeoGAF shit i’ve heard in awhile

 

[Enzom21]

Keeping it in the spotlight doesn’t help.

So the racists are fine to you but the victims are the issue?

 

[Durden77]

I honestly think it's just supposed to be a black fish with lipstick. I mean from what I remember South Park has never portrayed blacks in offensively caricatured forms, so it would be odd for them to start now. Definitely get where people see it though, but I really don't believe that's what they were going for.

 

[bitbydeath]

You....I don't like you

I’m sorry you feel that way.

Maybe your hearts in the right place dude but this is a silly stance to take. We don't live in a utopia where we can afford to pretend skin colour isn't important. The president of one of the most powerful places in the world won an election based on the hate people have for one another. Racism won't just go away if we close our eyes and hold hands

I agree it won’t go away fast and there are a lot of problems especially in America but there has got to be a better way to fix it than splashing it in the media.

When I was younger I got teased for my accent (I know not the same thing) but letting it get to you helps nobody, there is better more important things in life to deal with than what other people think.

Letting it just grow wild without criticism and discussion doesn’t help even more!

It doesn’t solve anything though.

 

[Akronis]

I’m sorry you feel that way.



I agree it won’t go away fast and there are a lot of problems especially in America but there has got to be a better way to fix it than splashing it in the media.

When I was younger I got teased for my accent (I know not the same thing) but letting it get to you helps nobody, there is better more important things in life to deal with than what other people think.



It doesn’t solve anything though.

If you think that's the extent of racism, you're an idiot. Let me know how that goes when you're beaten or shot by police. Or are unable to get a job.

 

[Revolutionary]

People ignoring the past and saying shit like,"I don't see color" is far more detrimental to society in general than those paying attention and making a big deal.

I don't have a stake in the general direction that this conversation is pivoting towards, but I just wanted to say one thing on this particular quote. Ignoring the past is bad, but "I don't see color" is one of the most beautiful things about watching children growing up. It's a shame that at some point, something always seems to happen that shatters that view.

I honestly think it's just supposed to be a black fish with lipstick. I mean from what I remember South Park has never portrayed blacks in offensively caricatured forms, so it would be odd for them to start now. Definitely get where people see it though, but I really don't believe that's what they were going for.

We've tried explaining this countless times over. It's not getting through to many people, unfortunately.. They see black skin scales + red lipstick and it's automatically mammy.

 

[Enzom21]

Can you elaborate why you think this?



Wasn't paying attention to American culture back then, Blackface only became known 10 or so years ago here when an American celebrity pointed it out on a TV show.

Based on this, I am assuming you're Australian?
https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/arts/black-face-minstrel-shows
Blackface was very much a thing in Australia.

 

[Captin Quacker]

I’m sorry you feel that way.



I agree it won’t go away fast and there are a lot of problems especially in America but there has got to be a better way to fix it than splashing it in the media.

When I was younger I got teased for my accent (I know not the same thing) but letting it get to you helps nobody, there is better more important things in life to deal with than what other people think.



It doesn’t solve anything though.

Jfc

 

[Biscotti]

What about Catatafish?

Hes not black so its a non issue on the internet.

 

[Akronis]

I don't have a stake in the general direction that this conversation is pivoting towards, but I just wanted to say one thing on this particular quote. Ignoring the past is bad, but "I don't see color" is one of the most beautiful things about watching children growing up. It's a shame that at some point, something always seems to happen that shatters that view.


We've tried explaining this countless times over. It's not getting through to many people, unfortunately.. They see black skin scales + red lipstick and it's automatically mammy.

Ignoring color is ignoring the problems people of color face. It's a useless platitude for white people to feel better about themselves.

 

[HiiiLife]

Y’all funny.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Letting go of racism is gross?
Why do you want to continue it?
Ending racism should be the goal.

Telling victims of racism to "get over it" does absolutely fucking nothing, and instead puts the blame on those marginalized groups instead of, y'know, the actual racists.

Like... holy shit is your attitude disgusting.

 

[ScientificPizza]

I’m sorry you feel that way.



I agree it won’t go away fast and there are a lot of problems especially in America but there has got to be a better way to fix it than splashing it in the media.

When I was younger I got teased for my accent (I know not the same thing) but letting it get to you helps nobody, there is better more important things in life to deal with than what other people think.



It doesn’t solve anything though.

So your answer is to do absolutely nothing about it ever?

 

[bitbydeath]

If you think that's the extent of racism, you're an idiot. Let me know how that goes when you're beaten or shot by police. Or are unable to get a job.

It’s different here in Australia, we rarely get beaten and shot by police and we embrace culture.

Govt even has programs to get indigenous Australians into the workforce.

If we can do it, it is possible. You got to start somewhere. Don’t sweat the small stuff, bigger picture is far more important.

 

[Enzom21]

Hes not black so its a non issue on the internet.

Do you have issue with it?

 

[Akronis]

It’s different here in Australia, we rarely get beaten and shot by police and we embrace culture.

Govt even has programs to get indigenous Australians into the workforce.

If we can do it, it is possible. You got to start somewhere. Don’t sweat the small stuff, bigger picture is far more important.

Equating the context and history of black people in America to Australian history makes no sense.

 

[Revolutionary]

Ignoring color is ignoring the problems people of color face. It's a useless platitude for white people to feel better about themselves.

I'm not white so I don't need this explanation. I'm just relating my experiences as a parent in an (admittedly) unrelated anecdote. Again, I don't have a stake in the conversation.

 

[Shaanyboi]

It’s different here in Australia, we rarely get beaten and shot by police and we embrace culture.

Govt even has programs to get indigenous Australians into the workforce.

If we can do it, it is possible. You got to start somewhere. Don’t sweat the small stuff, bigger picture is far more important.

A lot of governments "have programs" for people to get jobs. That doesn't mean racial hostility doesn't exist.

 

[Biscotti]

Do you have issue with it?

I don't really have issues with stereotypes at all unless they are targeted in a serious way towards someone.
People might as well go find every Youtube personality or streamer that laughs at this joke and start calling them racist then boycott anything they have involvement in /s

 

[Captin Quacker]

It’s different here in Australia

And that's where I stopped reading

 

[CannonFodder52]

Oh wow I didn’t even know this was a thing. I just thought it was a fish with painted lips because, woman, I dunno.

Yea, it's pretty well known in America. If you're a cartoonist or animator you definitely know what you're doing.

Black women were presented this way for quite a while, so people are pretty repulsed by it.
There's a bunch of non visual tropes of the mammy caricature too, asexual, motherly, caretaker, employed to white family, loyal. It basically removed the humanity from the woman and made them into basically a slave with the only purpose to serve. You can still find it on TV shows and movies that aren't even that old.

 

[Rumblebones]

It's still in poor taste and racist, and they definitely lost a buyer in me, and I really enjoyed the first game.

 

[ScientificPizza]

It’s different here in Australia, we rarely get beaten and shot by police and we embrace culture.

Govt even has programs to get indigenous Australians into the workforce.

If we can do it, it is possible. You got to start somewhere. Don’t sweat the small stuff, bigger picture is far more important.

Also as an Australian you are incredibly ignorant of how the police treat our indigenous population, especially as it pertains to abuse and deaths in custody

Also saying “we embrace culture” is erasing the HUGE amount of racial abuse thrown towards indigenous and muslim people. The existence of a group like Reclaim Australia and the One Nation party disproves everything you’ve said

 

[Enzom21]

I don't really have issues with stereotypes at all unless they are targeted in a serious way towards someone.

Ah, so it was your cowardly way of shitting on black people who have issue with this.
Good to know.

 

[bitbydeath]

Equating the context and history of black people in America to Australian history makes no sense.

The history isn’t that different. White people arrive, take over land, make slaves etc.

 

[Akronis]

Man this thread is great for my ignore list.

So many racists and racist apologists.

 

[Kusagari]

It’s different here in Australia, we rarely get beaten and shot by police and we embrace culture.

Govt even has programs to get indigenous Australians into the workforce.

If we can do it, it is possible. You got to start somewhere. Don’t sweat the small stuff, bigger picture is far more important.

Indigenous Australians drastically trail non-Indigenous Australians in life expectancy, employment, education attainment and income. They're arrested at a rate 14 times higher than the non-Indigenous.

You seem to have a rosy picture of the situation there.

 

[ScientificPizza]

The history isn’t that different. White people arrive, take over land, make slaves etc.

It is incredibly different

 

[Enzom21]

The history isn’t that different. White people arrive, take over land, make slaves etc.

So are you sticking with the claim that blackface wasn't a thing there until 10 years ago?

 

[bitbydeath]

Also as an Australian you are incredibly ignorant of how the police treat our indigenous population, especially as it pertains to abuse and deaths in custody

Also saying “we embrace culture” is erasing the HUGE amount of racial abuse thrown towards indigenous and muslim people. The existence of a group like Reclaim Australia and the One Nation party disproves everything you’ve said

Have you even been to Darwin before?
They are treated with massive amounts of respect. Police even go out of their way to taxi them to locations if they ask.

Don’t just read the news go and see it for yourself.

 

[Biscotti]

Ah, so it was your cowardly way of shitting on black people who have issue with this.
Good to know.

You seem to just be pointing fingers at people wanting to say they are racist.

 

[Tackleberry]

We are talking about a game that bases it's difficulty on the color of your character's skin.

Should ANYONE be surprised?