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[AdventureRacing]

I think Switch will outsell 3ds but not ps4. Ps4 will outsell the ps1 and wii worldwide.

This is what I think will happen. It'll be hard to tell until next year when we see switch with more supply.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

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fucking Gremlins

 

[Josh5890]

Honestly, this is what i'm most excited about. It seems like the success of Splatoon 1 pulled Nintendo out of a bit of a rut and has encouraged them as a company to push the limits of their own creativity. Its should be really amazing to see what they have in store once all of those games are ready to show the general public

Have we ever heard any numbers on ARMS sales? I kinda feel like that game didn't hit (no pun intended) the numbers Nintendo was hoping for.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Have we ever heard any numbers on ARMS sales? I kinda feel like that game didn't hit (no pun intended) the numbers Nintendo was hoping for.

1.18 million as of June 30th. We may get updated numbers through September on the 30th of this month.

ARMS is likely only one of multiple new IP in the works from Nintendo though.

 

[Josh5890]

1.18 million as of June 30th. We may get updated numbers through September on the 30th of this month.

ARMS is likely only one of multiple new IP in the works from Nintendo though.

Ok at least it reached 1 million in sales. Hopefully there is a single player focused new IP that Nintendo is working on.

 

[The God]

I guess all I have to go on is PS3 eventually getting real close to 360. Xbox360 had a huge lead, PS3 had really poor word of mouth and media outlets lambasted it, but it still kept making gains as insane as it seemed.

Switch is a cultural phenomenon, and it can't stay on the shelves. It's getting many of the same AAA games as PS4, plus first party games that are going to be talked about for the rest of our lives. If neogaf is any indication, people actually FAVOR third party games on the experience on switch; whether it be portability or gyro aim---it's giving gamers a whole new way to fall in love with games again, and that's incredibly meaningful.

GAF is not an indication of anything in the real world

 

[erlim]

It can't have great launch year software because in all the other threads the rhetoric is that Switch owners are starving for games.

Spoiler

BTW, regarding the lifetime sales, I think you are in the ballpark.

If the bolded happens, I absolutely agree with you that it could. I'm just not convinced yet. Maybe I'm too pessimistic but I don't think it will happen.

If it does get strong 3rd party support (including from the West). I think it has a great chance.

Spoiler

Still have lotsa tests to pass. /s

Switch already has amazing western 3rd party support and it's only going to grow from here. This is why I think it has a substantial shot at upsetting PS4 in lifetime sales.

 

[phantasmic_glaive]

I don't think it's unreasonable to think that the Switch has a good possibility of outselling the 3DS lifetime. It's had a much better start overall.

I don't consider the 3DS to be a success, or an abject failure. By all metrics it was not a great success story for the company, and we can prove that in many ways objectively, as mentioned in previous posts. For example, Nintendo posted 4 straight years of deep annual losses after it launched(obviously this was due in part to the WiiU as well). It occupies a space similar to the PS3, in that it ended up moving a good deal of units and software, but it cratered the company in because it did not perform to their expectations, and cost them a great deal in getting the product to that point.

Regarding Switch sales, that was not the point of my posts, so I think you're misunderstanding. Having said that, since we are on this subject, if you're only measuring success in unit sales I have no idea if the Switch will do better, but it's probable based on it's comparative launch success and current trajectory. I do however think it is very fair to say that if Nintendo is able to sell 50m-60m+ units without having to slash the price like they did with the 3DS, then it will be a vastly more successful device for them.

I think what it is, is me not recognizing it's full potential as of right now of the Switch. But indeed, any company in that situation wouldn't see it as a success. But, it had great support and eked out almost 70 million units in a mobile dominated era.. that's a win man. Even if they don't think so.

If the Switch hits around those numbers it'll be a success as well. If it does more, even better. But looking forward, they already have a zelda, Mario and Mario Kart, I ask what else is going to push another 50-60 million units over the next 3-4 years. Other than their stunning 1st party.

Just my opinion, but I think it'll settle around 70 million in 2020-2021.

 

[legend166]

You can’t possibly believe this to be true? As of middle of July the PS4 was just short of 19 million in the US alone and Worldwide it’s closing in on 60 million units sold.

The switch is selling well because it’s a new console in the middle of a generation with some pretty great launch year software... Switch lifetime sales will probably sit in the ballpark of 50-60million sold in total maybe getting close to 70-80million but it is assuredly not able to catch up any time soon or ever to PS4 sales to date.

Yeah, there's really nothing pointing towards the Switch outselling the PS4. At the same time, I'd be pretty shocked if the Switch topped out at 50-60 million. It's going to sell what, 12 million in its first year? Successful consoles, (i.e. ones that sell 12 million in their first year), don't peak in year one. So year two should be 15 million. At that point we're already at 27 million after two years. I think 80 million is a reasonable prediction at this point.

The PS4 has reached the self-perpetuation stage that leading consoles with large libraries reach. It doesn't even matter what individual software is released, which is why I thought people expecting it to have bumps for Destiny 2 was weird. Consoles that reach this stage become much more price-sensitive than software-sensitive.

In terms of Switch impacting on PS4 sales, the only impact I could see is the Switch cutting off its legs a little bit at the end of the PS4s life, especially if Nintendo are aggressive with their pricing.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

It can't have great launch year software because in all the other threads the rhetoric is that Switch owners are starving for games.

Spoiler

BTW, regarding the lifetime sales, I think you are in the ballpark.

If the bolded happens, I absolutely agree with you that it could. I'm just not convinced yet. Maybe I'm too pessimistic but I don't think it will happen.

If it does get strong 3rd party support (including from the West). I think it has a great chance.

Spoiler

Still have lotsa tests to pass. /s

Honestly we need to start seeing what they have lined up for 2018 when it comes to software... I have a feeling that with this super strong release lineup we’ve had with Zelda, Splatoon, Arms, Mario, and Xeno 2 they’ve completely front loaded the first year and honestly as others have said we need to see some new IPs and some new ideas for the 2018 season otherwise Nintendo will solely be relying on the 2017 software to sell it for 2018...

I mean what else do we have loaded and in development from House of Nintendo that didn’t already drop this year for switch or is incoming before years end... what ports are we sitting on besides Mario Maker and Smash 4...

If they don’t show some software for 2018 I feel like they will be in the same trouble that MS is in. That or it could fall into Vita territory if they don’t announce more first party for 2018 it could be lots of Indies and JRPGs in between first party titles.

 

[BumRush]

Awesome to hear. Really looking forward to getting a switch down the line!

 

[NSESN]

When is Nintendo Q3 earnings announcement anyway?

 

[GifGafIsTheBestGaf]

really impressive it outsold the ps4 with destiny in NA, man without numbers or pies npd days are so lackluster

 

[D.Lo]

I think what it is, is me not recognizing it's full potential as of right now of the Switch. But indeed, any company in that situation wouldn't see it as a success. But, it had great support and eked out almost 70 million units in a mobile dominated era.. that's a win man. Even if they don't think so.

If the Switch hits around those numbers it'll be a success as well. If it does more, even better. But looking forward, they already have a zelda, Mario and Mario Kart, I ask what else is going to push another 50-60 million units over the next 3-4 years. Other than their stunning 1st party.

Just my opinion, but I think it'll settle around 70 million in 2020-2021.

We really do my have anywhere near enough information on its long term to make calls to 2021.

Maybe it bombs out in year 3, like the Wii did in year 5? Or earlier? NOBODY predicted the Wii U would do as badly as it did, I predicted massive ‘failure’ at 30 million-ish! Less than 14 million is catastrophic failure.

Maybe it powers on based on the same evergreens and sequels like the DS/PS2?
Maybe it becomes the new unprecedented record holder?

We just have no idea. 40-50 million is likely the floor now, but it’s far too early to rule in or out any number above 40 million.

 

[sixteen-bit]

ETA on the September NPD thread?

 

[Calm Mind]

When is Nintendo Q3 earnings announcement anyway?

The 30th of this month I believe.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

ETA on the September NPD thread?

No public NPD report until Friday or Monday.

.

 

[AdventureRacing]

We really do my have anywhere near enough information on its long term to make calls to 2021.

Maybe it bombs out in year 3, like the Wii did in year 5? Or earlier? NOBODY predicted the Wii U would do as badly as it did, I predicted massive ‘failure’ at 30 million-ish! Less than 14 million is catastrophic failure.

Maybe it powers on based on the same evergreens and sequels like the DS/PS2?
Maybe it becomes the new unprecedented record holder?

We just have no idea. 40-50 million is likely the floor now, but it’s far too early to rule in or out any number above 40 million.

This is spot on. IMO I'd be very surprised if it didn't beat the 3DS but it's very early days.

 

[Sadist]

What a turn around compared to the Wii U.

Honestly we need to start seeing what they have lined up for 2018 when it comes to software... I have a feeling that with this super strong release lineup we’ve had with Zelda, Splatoon, Arms, Mario, and Xeno 2 they’ve completely front loaded the first year and honestly as others have said we need to see some new IPs and some new ideas for the 2018 season otherwise Nintendo will solely be relying on the 2017 software to sell it for 2018...

I mean what else do we have loaded and in development from House of Nintendo that didn’t already drop this year for switch or is incoming before years end... what ports are we sitting on besides Mario Maker and Smash 4...

If they don’t show some software for 2018 I feel like they will be in the same trouble that MS is in. That or it could fall into Vita territory if they don’t announce more first party for 2018 it could be lots of Indies and JRPGs in between first party titles.

Kirby, Yoshi and Fire Emblem apparently. Metroid Prime 4 is in development.

There's a big but here; Nintendo these days keep their cards close to the chest and I'm pretty sure they'll have more to announce. Odyssey was shown earlier this year, same goes for Xenoblade 2. They'll have the stuff ready when they need too acompanied by loads of indies, Travis Strikes Again, Wolfenstein II, Project Octopath... the only hazy and weird part will be traditional third parties. If they have stuff, it won't be ready untill Q4 2018 or beyond.

 

[NSESN]

The 30th of this month I believe.

There is any chance they release Mario numbers early?

 

[WonderRade]

Nintendo hasnt even detailed the rest of the DLC for one of their biggest games so far. Which is allegedly launching next month with the amiibos.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

There is any chance they release Mario numbers early?

NoA will likely send out a press release after Odyssey's first weekend on the market. So, around the 30th or 31st.

 

[Wamb0wneD]

For me, the switch is too bulky/heavy/not secure enough for what I want out of a handheld.

I want to open the lid, and pull out my handheld to play picross for an hour in a small form factor.

Switch feels like playing an IPAD. It sucks for what I want.

What.....Did you actually hold one?

 

[Realeza]

What.....Did you actually hold one?

Dude would probably prefer the WiiU Gamepad lmao.

 

[watdaeff4]

Switch already has amazing western 3rd party support and it's only going to grow from here. This is why I think it has a substantial shot at upsetting PS4 in lifetime sales.

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but "amazing" isn't the adjective I would use to describe the western third party support at this point.

Bethesda has been supporting, but EA has just put on the contractually obligated FIFA version. NBA being on it is very nice, but I wouldn't say much beyond that.

Look at the big fall games bypassing the Switch this fall.
Mordor
AC
Destiny
Battlefront
CoD
South Park

Missing all those is keeping it from having "amazing" support at this point

 

[jorgejjvr]

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but "amazing" isn't the adjective I would use to describe the western third party support at this point.

Bethesda has been supporting, but EA has just put on the contractually obligated FIFA version. NBA being on it is very nice, but I wouldn't say much beyond that.

Look at the big fall games bypassing the Switch this fall.
Mordor
AC
Destiny
Battlefront
CoD
South Park

Missing all those is keeping it from having "amazing" support at this point

To be fair, these were likely all very far in development, and people were not forward thinking. I don't think they expected switch to sell this well.

I think next year will be more telling

 

[phantasmic_glaive]

We really do my have anywhere near enough information on its long term to make calls to 2021.

Maybe it bombs out in year 3, like the Wii did in year 5? Or earlier? NOBODY predicted the Wii U would do as badly as it did, I predicted massive ‘failure’ at 30 million-ish! Less than 14 million is catastrophic failure.

Maybe it powers on based on the same evergreens and sequels like the DS/PS2?
Maybe it becomes the new unprecedented record holder?

We just have no idea. 40-50 million is likely the floor now, but it’s far too early to rule in or out any number above 40 million.

That was exactly my point. In my earlier post I said I didn't think it would do much more than the 3ds did, but it's totally a wait and see. Based on that came that arbitrary number.

Yea, maybe to all those things.. just as of right now I see 3ds potential. Especially if they don't discount like he suggested.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

To be fair, these were likely all very far in development, and people were not forward thinking. I don't think they expected switch to sell this well.

I think next year will be more telling

His point is, at the present time, western AAA support isn't really "amazing" and he's right.

It's good support by Nintendo standards though and certainly a positive sign for the future.

 

[jdstorm]

Have we ever heard any numbers on ARMS sales? I kinda feel like that game didn't hit (no pun intended) the numbers Nintendo was hoping for.

Last i saw it was well over 1M and anecdotally the last time i was in a gamestop (EB Games locally) i saw a kid excitedly telling his grand parents that ARMS was the game he wanted most. I'd be shocked if Nintendo wasn't happy with how ARMS has been recieved. ARMS is definitely a game that needs a sequel to fully realise its potential and i think it will get it

 

[watdaeff4]

Honestly we need to start seeing what they have lined up for 2018 when it comes to software... I have a feeling that with this super strong release lineup we've had with Zelda, Splatoon, Arms, Mario, and Xeno 2 they've completely front loaded the first year and honestly as others have said we need to see some new IPs and some new ideas for the 2018 season otherwise Nintendo will solely be relying on the 2017 software to sell it for 2018...

I mean what else do we have loaded and in development from House of Nintendo that didn't already drop this year for switch or is incoming before years end... what ports are we sitting on besides Mario Maker and Smash 4...

If they don't show some software for 2018 I feel like they will be in the same trouble that MS is in. That or it could fall into Vita territory if they don't announce more first party for 2018 it could be lots of Indies and JRPGs in between first party titles.

For 2018, don't we already know of Kirby, Yoshi and maybe Metroid Prime?

Throw in a potential port or two that you mentioned and the first party line-up is fine.
Whether or not it reaches (or goes beyond your projections for lifetime sales) the PS4 will all come down to the 3rd party support IMO.

To be fair, these were likely all very far in development, and people were not forward thinking. I don't think they expected switch to sell this well.

I think next year will be more telling

All I'm saying that as of right now, it's not "amazing" western support. It's not. To argue differently would be a bit biased/blinded IMO.

I agree with you next year will be more telling.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

What a turn around compared to the Wii U.


Kirby, Yoshi and Fire Emblem apparently. Metroid Prime 4 is in development.

There's a big but here; Nintendo these days keep their cards close to the chest and I'm pretty sure they'll have more to announce. Odyssey was shown earlier this year, same goes for Xenoblade 2. They'll have the stuff ready when they need too acompanied by loads of indies, Travis Strikes Again, Wolfenstein II, Project Octopath... the only hazy and weird part will be traditional third parties. If they have stuff, it won't be ready untill Q4 2018 or beyond.

Was a main line fire emblem announced? I must’ve missed that... FE Warriors comes out this Friday which is why I kept it as 2017 didn’t realize we had a main FE announced as well.

 

[James Scott]

Have we ever heard any numbers on ARMS sales? I kinda feel like that game didn't hit (no pun intended) the numbers Nintendo was hoping for.

I imagine it’ll likely hit 2M eventually. Seemed to have decent legs in comparison to other fighting games.
But probably not as much as Nintendo would like, no

Was a main line fire emblem announced? I must’ve missed that... FE Warriors comes out this Friday which is why I kept it as 2017 didn’t realize we had a main FE announced as well.

No name or anything; just that one was coming

 

[bionic77]

I wonder if Switch gets Madden next year and if EA will give it more support.

I am going to get FIFA but I really want another arcade sports game like Blitz, Slam or Strikers. Hopefully an Indie can fix that niche. Those games are always a ton of fun.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

For 2018, don't we already know of Kirby, Yoshi and maybe Metroid Prime?

Throw in a potential port or two that you mentioned and the first party line-up is fine.
Whether or not it reaches (or goes beyond your projections for lifetime sales) the PS4 will all come down to the 3rd party support IMO.

Very true I guess my main fear is with a Zelda, 3D Mario, and Splatoon all year one I gotta hope that they have follow ups already planned for those... I mean when it came to the WiiU we got a single 3D Mario, we shared a Zelda title with the Switch launch... I guess I’m just hoping that 1st party main franchises have stuff lined up and planned because we can’t hold out 4-6 years for another Zelda, or 3D Mario... you know

No other N franchises attach as well as Mario, Zelda, MK and Pokemon so they need to keep those coming.

Yoshi, Kirby and FE don’t have the attach or push for console sales like the former

 

[Dre3001]

Really surprised Pokken didnt make the top 10. Hopefully this doesnt derail the possibility of a sequel.

Happy to see that Mario Rabbids did well though. Excellent game all around and well deserved.

 

[Neoxon]

For 2018, don't we already know of Kirby, Yoshi and maybe Metroid Prime?

Throw in a potential port or two that you mentioned and the first party line-up is fine.
Whether or not it reaches (or goes beyond your projections for lifetime sales) the PS4 will all come down to the 3rd party support IMO.


All I'm saying that as of right now, it's not "amazing" western support. It's not. To argue differently would be a bit biased/blinded IMO.

I agree with you next year will be more telling.

If MP4 was close to ready for next year, we would have seen footage at E3. At least for Pokémon, TPC had the excuse of not wanting to up-stage US/UM.

 

[EDarkness]

Really surprised Pokken didnt make the top 10. Hopefully this doesnt derail the possibility of a sequel.

Happy to see that Mario Rabbids did well though. Excellent game all around and well deserved.

I didn't think many people actually cared about Pokken, to be honest. It's not a game people were clamoring for, and the way they handled the Wii U version may have turned people off. I know my wife didn't get it because she got the Wii U version and it wasn't supported at all. She ended up being real bitter about it. I guess I can't blame her, either.

 

[watdaeff4]

If MP4 was close to ready for next year, we would have seen footage at E3. At least for Pokémon, TPC had the excuse of not wanting to up-stage US/UM.

Regarding MP4, you are probably correct.

 

[OCD Guy]

To be fair, these were likely all very far in development, and people were not forward thinking. I don't think they expected switch to sell this well.

I think next year will be more telling

His point is, at the present time, western AAA support isn't really "amazing" and he's right.

It's good support by Nintendo standards though and certainly a positive sign for the future.

The Switch will get more and more support, publishers won't ignore a popular platform. They don't have any loyalty, they go where the potential cash is.

However the Switch isn't going to be home to the likes of Destiny etc in my opinion.....

I think whats really going to be the deciding factor is sales of third party games. If the few multi-platform games there are so far don't sell well, then there's no real incentive for anyone else to bring their games over. I'm really hoping Doom, Wolfenstein, Skyrim and Fifa sell big numbers.

I know Fifa has done terribly so far, but maybe just maybe the holidays might get a few more sales...

Ah nearly forgot about L.A Noire, I'm hoping sales of that game potentially entice Rockstar to bring over GTA V, the Switch should handle that with equivalent performance to the 360 surely..

 

[watdaeff4]

The Switch will get more and more support, publishers won't ignore a popular platform. They don't have any loyalty, they go where the potential cash is.

However the Switch isn't going to be home to the likes of Destiny etc in my opinion.....

You do realize you have just posted the conundrum of why many of us are skeptical about the amount of support the switch will get from third parties

Developers also have only so many resources to produce games and also to port Games to the platform with the weakest hardware

Regarding your added on edit yes that will also be a huge factor and if the other third-party games sell as bad as FIFA then future third-party support will be Affected

 

[Anth0ny]

The Switch will get more and more support, publishers won't ignore a popular platform. They don't have any loyalty, they go where the potential cash is.

However the Switch isn't going to be home to the likes of Destiny etc in my opinion.....

it'll be the same old story for a nintendo platform: third parties will release the test games. if they do well, they'll release more low budget test games! if they don't sell well, they pull support for the switch.


in no scenario does switch get multiplatform releases of big third party games day and date with ps4/xbone/pc

 

[D.Lo]

Throw in a potential port or two that you mentioned and the first party line-up is fine.
Whether or not it reaches (or goes beyond your projections for lifetime sales) the PS4 will all come down to the 3rd party support IMO.

I don't think so. Wii and DS sold 90% on first party games. Sure there were a few decent 'hardcore' third party efforts at launch like RE4 and COD3 and Tiger Woods but after third parties shat the bed with Madden Babiez and light gun cheapos, it was all on Nintendo, and they did with with New Super Mario Bros, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario Kart, Nintendogs, Brain Training, Mario Galaxy, Pokemon, Animal Crossing etc.

Now ALL their effort is going to be on one platform. It could potentially be getting the next Brain Training AND the next Wii Sports AND main Pokemon AND handheld Animal Crossing AND Console Mario AND Splatoon etc etc. Add to this it's a platform people really like (as opposed to the divisive 3DS and Wii U), and they can carry it all themselves.

 

[James Scott]

Really surprised Pokken didnt make the top 10. Hopefully this doesnt derail the possibility of a sequel.

Happy to see that Mario Rabbids did well though. Excellent game all around and well deserved.

I think the demo was enough for a lot of people. It’s the ugliest first party game on switch and a low effort port too which is why I skipped

 

[OCD Guy]

You do realize you have just posted the conundrum of why many of us are skeptical about the amount of support the switch will get from third parties

Developers also have only so many resources to produce games and also to port Games to the platform with the weakest hardware

it'll be the same old story for a nintendo platform: third parties will release the test games. if they do well, they'll release more low budget test games! if they don't sell well, they pull support for the switch.


in no scenario does switch get multiplatform releases of big third party games day and date with ps4/xbone/pc

Honestly my worry is that Bethseda games are going to flop, and the Switch will be nothing more than an Indie machine with Nintendo exclusives.

I know many people are saying Skyrim won't fail, but I still remember what people were saying about Fifa before release. "It'll sell shit loads because it has Ultimate team on the go" lol.

I'll be ok if the Switch support dies, to be fair I enjoyed the Wii U and got a lot of use from it, but I would love to see proper support.

This time next year is going to be interesting....

 

[MrCaliaztec]

The Switch will get more and more support, publishers won't ignore a popular platform. They don't have any loyalty, they go where the potential cash is.

However the Switch isn't going to be home to the likes of Destiny etc in my opinion.....

I think whats really going to be the deciding factor is sales of third party games. If the few multi-platform games there are so far don't sell well, then there's no real incentive for anyone else to bring their games over. I'm really hoping Doom, Wolfenstein, Skyrim and Fifa sell big numbers.

I know Fifa has done terribly so far, but maybe just maybe the holidays might get a few more sales...

Ah nearly forgot about L.A Noire, I'm hoping sales of that game potentially entice Rockstar to bring over GTA V, the Switch should handle that with equivalent performance to the 360 surely..

3 of those 4 titles are from one company... and they are all old ports that have already more then made back their development costs. Aside from Wolfenstein 2. But honestly if these titles don’t do well this could easily be in aside from Indie and JRPG support.

And as a huge lover of Doom and Skyrim I have absolutely zero want or need to triple or quad dip these games for “handheld purposes” I know Gaf is super stoked on the chance to play Skyrim and Doom in handheld form but gotta remember what even the most vocal majority of gaf seems super hyped and interested in is still a very small drop in the bucket when it comes to overall sales and gamer opinion.

It’s the reason why no matter how hyped or how much drama Gaf has for a game in mass it still doesn’t even come close to what the main bulk of money spending people think or care about. So Gaf is never ever a good scale for judgement.

 

[OCD Guy]

3 of those 4 titles are from one company... and they are all old ports that have already more then made back their development costs. Aside from Wolfenstein 2. But honestly if these titles don't do well this could easily be in aside from Indie and JRPG support.

I'm aware that the majority of the big "AAA" are from Bethesda but I think that how those titles perform can have a major effect on what other developers/publishers do.

If say Doom and Wolfenstein do well it could act as an incentive for the likes of Activision to bring a Call of Duty game over for example, although the Wii and Wii U had Call of Duty games, and it didn't make much of a difference.

I'm personally still not convinced that a multi-platform game can do as well as a Nintendo exclusive on a Nintendo plaform, but time will tell.

I like my Switch but looking at the Eshop - as someone who isn't a fan of the retro style indie games- is a bit depressing. It is starting to look a little "shovelware delight" on there, and I want more for the Switch than retro sidescroller and Nintendo.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

I'm aware that the majority of the big "AAA" are from Bethesda but I think that how those titles perform can have a major effect on what other developers/publishers do.

If say Doom and Wolfenstein do well it could act as an incentive for the likes of Activision to bring a Call of Duty game over for example, although the Wii and Wii U had Call of Duty games, and it didn't make much of a difference.

I'm personally still not convinced that a multi-platform game can do as well as a Nintendo exclusive, but time will tell.

I don’t think anyone believes that and I would wonder when the last time any non Nintendo title sold as much as a Mario, Zelda, or MK on a Nintendo platform if I had to reckon a guess id say probably only Minecraft assuredly.

And yeah it all depends on Skyrim and Doom but honestly I gotta question millions of people (what they are hoping it sells) buying ports of these two titles for $60 each... I think that’s the biggest crutch for them to overcome these titles are releasing at $60 dollars on Switch when Doom can be gotten for $15-20 and Skyrim with all DLC for $25-30. The fact that they are not pricing them for 40-50 is gonna cost some sales.

I like my Switch but looking at the Eshop - as someone who isn't a fan of the retro style indie games- is a bit depressing. It is starting to look a little "shovelware delight" on there, and I want more for the Switch than retro sidescroller and Nintendo.

DUDE! No joke I was doing the same thing last night was hoping to see some videos on eshop of FE Warriors I really don’t like how like 25% of games have videos and the rest are terrible screenshots and also they do a shit job describing the games as well. Couple sentences to describe the game where other shops give a couple paragraphs. And yeah lots of Neogeo and random indies not even big indies... im honestly fearing Vita levels of shovelware with indies, JRPGs and the N first parties!

 

[silva1991]

Switch already has amazing western 3rd party support and it's only going to grow from here. This is why I think it has a substantial shot at upsetting PS4 in lifetime sales.

Amazing by what standards? WiiU standards? It's abysmal compared to other two consoles and PC standards.

 

[OCD Guy]

I don't think anyone believes that and I would wonder when the last time any non Nintendo title sold as much as a Mario, Zelda, or MK on a Nintendo platform if I had to reckon a guess id say probably only Minecraft assuredly.

And yeah it all depends on Skyrim and Doom but honestly I gotta question millions of people (what they are hoping it sells) buying ports of these two titles for $60 each... I think that's the biggest crutch for them to overcome these titles are releasing at $60 dollars on Switch when Doom can be gotten for $15-20 and Skyrim with all DLC for $25-30. The fact that they are not pricing them for 40-50 is gonna cost some sales.

I'd love to see GTA V release, as I think that would sell a shit load of units. I could actually imagine a lot of people double/triple dipping on that game. I wonder if L.A Noire is almost a test for Rockstar.

I agree with you with regards to your second point, Doom especially is going to be a hard sell. I'm quite pessimistic at the minute but I think all of Bethesdas titles are going to do crappy numbers.

I want to be wrong, as I have a weird affection towards Nintendo, but my vibe at the minute with regards to how things will be next year on switch is third party wise, a Fifa 19 legacy edition, and maybe some token Ubisoft games, a thriving indie scene and Nintendo exclusives.

DUDE! No joke I was doing the same thing last night was hoping to see some videos on eshop of FE Warriors I really don't like how like 25% of games have videos and the rest are terrible screenshots and also they do a shit job describing the games as well. Couple sentences to describe the game where other shops give a couple paragraphs. And yeah lots of Neogeo and random indies not even big indies... im honestly fearing Vita levels of shovelware with indies, JRPGs and the N first parties!

Yeah it's not great to browse the store. Honestly there were a lot of random titles I've never heard of before, like some serious shovelware bottom of the barrel type shit. Choice is never a bad thing, but a quick glance on the Eshop comes across as mainly 2d retro games on there.

 

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Amazing by what standards? WiiU standards? It's abysmal compared to other two consoles and PC standards.

Yeah, amazing going by WiiU standards is all the switch needs to beat the competition.