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[peetfeet]

For those that keep asking for Gaf Discord invites:

Only the mods in there can send them out and they are NOT currently sending out any more.

 

[remist]

You don't have to say something outrageous to catch a ban.

The discussion has already been had. You know this. You just want to reiterate lost points because you feel emboldened right now. You know moderation was fair. You just don't care because you were bit by it. Now you can safely attack back. Instead of you learning to do better you decided to stay quiet and bitter. You keep saying I'm the toxic one. It sounds like you're trying to reinforce a belief to yourself.


You feel attacked because you couldn't jive with the cool kids. They knocked you back for your shitty views. Accept that even today after the folks who you dislike have left and you cannot stop talking / thinking about them. Accept that the people you want respect from don't like you. I have.

All I see from you is bad faith assumptions, projections and shitposting. And people wonder why this forum is considered a toxic hellhole.

 

[Buffalo]

NeoGAF did allow for discussion...but I agree that oftentimes it was impossible to discuss certain topics without being shouted down, even if you did genuinely want to talk and understand the other point of view.

GAF in the past year or so has REALLY had a witch-hunting problem. Part of that is because of the extreme political climate we find ourselves in (we have fucking Nazi's walking around for fucks sake) but it often went too far in the other direction.

it's really only become a problem in the past 3 years. for obvious reasons. I don't disagree that you could have discussion, it's just that good, civil discussion became harder and harder to come by.

the real problem is when users associate those they just have disagreements with, even minor things, to those very same Nazis who march in the streets.

 

[Arozay]

I don't understand the outrage ?

And you say you post on GAF...

 

[dolabla]

A lot of people like that "far left echo chamber" though. There simply isn't many forums that is actually left leaning, even slightly left leaning. People call this thread a left echo chamber which isn't accurate.

I do agree, there were plenty of bans even I thought were not right, but majority of bans I seen and read through to figure out the context were well deserved in my view.

I mean that's fine they liked it. They liked it cause they were pretty much the only ones talking to each other. If somebody popped up in there with a different pov, the dog piles started.

There was definitely a political bias in the moderation. I think if they bring it back they need to get mods who actually a!low discourse from both political sides. Everybody has their own political beliefs and should be able to share those beliefs (as long as it's civil) without the fear of being banned.

 

[aygomyownroad]

Glad the gaming side is back but I'm going to Miss the Off Topic side, especially the Lego part but I have Reddit for random stuff.

Allegations should always be treated as serious matter but due process needs time to get to the bottom of them.

It happened to me once. My ex went on top of me and later on cried rape. I said that she went on top of me and I never instigated anything.

She claimed it was because it was my birthday she felt she was forced to do it. We split up after that. It was a mad time and broke me for a while.

The weekend was crazy with all the news on what was happening here, and as I was off line for a while I missed the cluster f**k that was the last few days.

 

[ec0ec0]

Pointless semantics. As is bringing up their continued relationship afterwards. Abusive relationships are a thing. The how's and why's they remained friends and eventually hooked up are immaterial to the incident in the shower and what that was. People stay in contact and maintain relationships with people they have unhealthy and down right awful interactions with all the time.

A woman sick and in vulnerable state, cornered by a naked man is frightening, he thankfully backed off when rebuked but then proceeded to treat her with contempt and scorn afterwards. Making her feel bad for refusing his advances and for feeling violated by the incident. Whether you prefer to label that assault or misconduct is rather pointless in the face of what happened and how it affected the victim. This shit doesn't occur in a vacuum, it's an every day occurrence for millions of women and it colors and affects all aspects of their lives and events in them.

His handling of the situation right now only furthers to make him look bad and add credibility to her statements and version of the events. His attempts to label her as mentally unwell to discredit her is just disgusting and cowardly.

so now it was an abusive relationship? I mean, i have read other posters explaining what you mentioned plenty of times in the past. However, we varely know anything about their relationship to be making those calls?

"The how's and why's they remained friends and eventually hooked up are immaterial to the incident in the shower and what that was."

Yeah, i'm sure that would go well in a court of law.

Saying that they having a relatioship after the supposed "assault" isn't relevant to the story....

 

[psychowave]

willfully rejecting the fact that the users on this site politicized any subject they could doesn't make the truth go away. the site has a reputation for a reason.

the problem with off-topic is that it was one-sided discussion, and you're being dishonest if you think otherwise.

That sounds an awful lot like how gaf has always operated, which is fine I suppose if you were on the 'right' side.

If you don't like it, you have other options. I and others don't.

 

[Majine]

Even if what was being said wasn’t true, at some point, Evilore must understand in order for the community to move past this, he needs to hand over the reins of GAF.

 

[Arjen]

This is the best you could come up with? You're playing the victim here?
Go fuck yourself Evilore

 

[ProfessorLobo]

So you mean he is a nazi or you wish you could be one yourself?

I was being sarcastic. The people who complain about the lack of freeze peach around are just sad that no one wants to listen as to their thoughts about how the Jews invented rape culture.

 

[Buffalo]

Sure junior,

But first tell me, in which things you’ll disagree?

lol

you already made your point that anyone who thinks this could be a step in the right direction is a "MAGA user", so there's not much here to discuss. unless you have an actual argument to make, at least.

 

[GasProblem]

Man, I just want a forum to talk about electronic toys, not some utopia. Different opinions are fine, there's an ignore button when you hate someone. Ban douchebags after you give them a warning or two to tone it down if someone's racist/whatever.

 

[Undead Unicorn]

Why won't you name names? I want to know who all the MAGA users in this thread are that you know voted for Trump.

I have a list of at least one hundred Gaf Pepes and four Russian BLM Jill Stien psy ops agents

 

[Exterminieren]

Even if I believed you, which of course I fucking don’t, you’ve absolutely put a fucking bullet in this community with your greed and cowardice.

Fuck this, and fuck you.

Believe women, folks, ESPECIALLY when creepy bastards like EviLore don’t want you to.

 

[MWS Natural]

Never came to GAF for Evilore so why would I leave it because of him? Glad it's back but banning political discussion in the age of Trump is terrible news. Only a matter of time before the racists filter back in on both sides.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Obligatory, before I go...

Evilore just shot himself in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about NeoGAF culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become president by being an pervert. If you sexually assault someone over on NeoGAF, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the NeoGAF members, after hearing about this, is not going to want to visit NeoGAF, nor will they follow Evilore's Twitter. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Evilore has alienated an entire market with this move.

Evilore, publicly apologize and resign from your post or you can kiss NeoGAF goodbye.

Fucking took fifty pages for this

 

[Subpar Spatula]

All I see from you is bad faith assumptions, projections and shitposting. And people wonder why this forum is considered a toxic hellhole.

You drank too much kool-aid if you believe treating others with respect is toxic.

 

[Buffalo]

If you don't like it, you have other options. I and others don't.

or perhaps you and others collectively like you can just settle down and not be wholly vitriolic to anyone who doesn't tow their line to you? surely this isn't a lot to ask for.

if you're looking for a one-sided conversation that only reaffirms your opinion back to you, I'm sure there's plenty of places on Reddit that will do just the thing.

 

[boingball]

This seems to be a crazy pivot.

There are a couple of scenarios this could have gone:
* Tyler resigns (Weinstein scenario): Unclear whether this would have saved the site but probably the only realistic option to give the site a chance. Tyler could have then chosen his favorite defense for the allegations with the hope it would not taint the site. (The Weinstein company has a problem with it's name, NeoGAFs connection to EvilLore is much less obvious).

* Turn off the site. For a while I thought that this was the chosen option.

* do a Mea Culpa and try to keep going on. This would have most likely killed the site. Obviously in Trump's America this is not an option any longer.

* do a Trump (don't apologize and instead a game plan consisting of: the victim is not realiable: check ("a deeply disturbed, malicious individual", "bi", ...), the story is false: check, "I have proof": check (without presenting any (ever if this is following Trump's game plan)), feeling victimized: check ("It's been a perfect storm of misanthropy and opportunism"), and not forgetting the fake media: check "sensationalized, opportunist, and unprofessional."). I am not sure whether the pivot to become a gaming site which welcomes gamer gaters and alt-right (and this is what will happen, heck it is already happening) will work out but it is clear that Tyler doesn't want to give up on his ad revenue stream.

Reminds me a little bit of Scott Adams (Dilbert guy) who has become a hardcore Trump supporter and apologist He thinks there is money to be made and maybe he is right. So maybe this will work out for NeoGAF.

I am quite sad that the community here on NeoGAF is now gone and there is only a small chance that there will be a site replacing this site. (And that's why I had hoped for the first option above).

P.S.
I obviously do not know the facts, but looking at the two sides of the story I cannot really believe that the side doing a Trump is nearer to the truth. Plus this is not the first time.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

I was being sarcastic. The people who complain about the lack of freeze peach around are just sad that no one wants to listen as to their thoughts about how the Jews invented rape culture.

Ok. Still don't get it lol sorry nothing against you. Didn't get it.

 

[Gamezone]

What the hell, do people believe everything random, unknown girls say about others these days? This could potentially happen to everyone. Some of you need to calm down.

 

[remist]

You drank too much kool-aid if you believe treating others with respect is toxic.

I meant your bad faith assumption of posters motives, but you know that. Continue to act self righteous and oblivious.

 

[Fercho]

Why won't you name names? I want to know who all the MAGA users in this thread are that you know voted for Trump.

Just a quick glance of one of your posts in another thread shows how you are one of those guys Trying to take advantage of the whole situation in order to steer the tone of GAF In your shitty direction

There is also a ton of people who should never have been banned. Many mods abused their privilege to ban people they didn't like vs breaking any rules. Hopefully that will change with them gone now but it is a wait and see.

lol

you already made your point that anyone who thinks this could be a step in the right direction is a "MAGA user", so there's not much here to discuss. unless you have an actual argument to make, at least.

Sure because the right direction is to tolerate casual racism and bigotry.

And you didn’t answered my question and that’s for a reason

 

[psychowave]

or perhaps you and others collectively like you can just settle down and not be wholly vitriolic to anyone who doesn't tow their line to you? surely this isn't a lot to ask for.

if you're looking for a one-sided conversation that only reaffirms your opinion back to you, I'm sure there's plenty of places on Reddit that will do just the thing.

Pot, kettle. You're advocating for the disappearance of the only forum of its kind because you don't like it, even though there's plenty of other sites that cater to you.

 

[Buffalo]

Never came to GAF for Evilore so why would I leave it because of him? Glad it's back but banning political discussion in the age of Trump is terrible news. Only a matter of time before the racists filter back in on both sides.

I agree that it's a bad choice to shut out any political discussion at all, but you have to admit that what we had before wasn't exactly ideal. all the board needed was open-mindedness (and no, not to bullshit like Nazis).

 

[ec0ec0]

mods can't actully delete the content of a post, right? damn

 

[Undead Unicorn]

You drank too much kool-aid if you believe treating others with respect is toxic.

You just defended the purge of well known evil ill tempered Bernie Sanders supporters.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

mods can't actully delete the content of a post, right? damn

They can they're just stingier about it.

EDIT: Or maybe not? Lol he's banned but the image is still there.

 

[aygomyownroad]

mods can't actully delete the content of a post, right? damn

Erm no... So I think I'll leave this thread now and go on to a safer for work one.

Hopefully moving forward something can be sorted from all of this. Hopefully one day off topic can return

 

[Buffalo]

Just a quick glance of one of your posts in another thread shows how you are one of those guys Trying to take advantage of the whole situation in order to steer the tone of GAF In your shitty direction






Sure because the right direction is to tolerate casual racism and bigotry.

And you didn’t answered my question and that’s for a reason

I answered your question loud and clear. if it's too difficult for you to grasp, let alone argue against, then that's your problem, pal.

 

[Defective14]

Oof this thread got out of control real quick.

I'm glad GAF is back, all I have to say about this really.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

Obligatory, before I go...

Evilore just shot himself in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about NeoGAF culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become president by being an pervert. If you sexually assault someone over on NeoGAF, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the NeoGAF members, after hearing about this, is not going to want to visit NeoGAF, nor will they follow Evilore's Twitter. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Evilore has alienated an entire market with this move.

Evilore, publicly apologize and resign from your post or you can kiss NeoGAF goodbye.

Bravo.

 

[PumpkinPie]

Personally I think the attitude of members has been disgusting considering EviLore hasn't been found guilty of anything. I'm not saying he's guilty or not, I'm not in a position to make that decision. I hope that the people judging him never find themselves being falsely accused of a crime though, I assume they'd willingly lock themselves up if that was the case based on their behaviour these past few days.

 

[Zelmardonpoktendo]

mods can't actully delete the content of a post, right? damn

I know right. So many ferals. Glad they are deleting their accounts.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

Don't know about that. I've had plenty of robust political discussions with the likes of Crab, CCS, Quiche Fontaine, CyclopsRock, Huw_Dawson and many others from every part of the political spectrum - and (nearly) all with respect and good humour. That's in the UK of course.

If US PoliGAF seems toxic, then maybe it is because US politics is toxic.

Morning Phisheep.

Whilst US politics is absolutely toxic, it does not actually have any obvious relevance to what hit this site at the end of last week.

Regarding this site:

I am going to lay my cards on the table here: the notion that politics and social discussion can be banned from this community is locking the stable door after the horse has bolted, headed into town, set up a successful business, passed on that business to the company board, taken a trip across the world, hiked up Everest and run for US President.

Let us not forget that the recent politics in the US has a lot to do with certain reactionary pseudo-politics in gaming. What will the line be? Can we discuss a character or game's political implications? Game industry scandals?

The banning of political discussion has also been made in response to the site going into meltdown after an allegation against the owner. The total removal of moderation visibility has also been as a response to this.

On that latter point: converting the moderation staff from being a public role with contact ability and accountability - a system that has endured for well over ten years - to a secret illuminati is not a route to making the site more open and happy, but more paranoid and back-biting. As it stands even posting on this thread with a negative attitude as I am doing feels like an invitation to get my account banned - who can I contact if that happens? Evilore himself? Modbot?

Is it plausible to argue that these changes would have been made had the events of this weekend not happened? Forgive me if I am sceptical.

As a member of the British fighting game scene, a scene that values openness tolerance, diversity and inclusion and as a Liberal Democrat, who values the same, I personally find this new direction and the circumstances around it to be deeply troubling.

I used to regard GAF as my natural home. I no longer do so.

 

[wachie]

Sure because the right direction is to tolerate casual racism and bigotry.

And you didn’t answered my question and that’s for a reason

Fucking nailed it there. He's been quite sly about it all.

 

[Grinchy]

This is a very good new direction for the site. The Off-Topic section turned into an actual cancer. The people who left have done the entire community a favor.

 

[Budi]

First of all, good to see GAF back up. But I do miss the OT a bit, even though everyone there wasn't really capable of proper discussion on many social/political topics without dogpiling and overreactions. Those were still important discussions to have. And I do hope that we can still continue to be inclusive and progressive forum that won't tolerate discrimination. I still wan't strict moderation to keep any hateful and hurtful comments away, but at the same time for it to allow civil and thoughtful discussion when people don't see eye to eye. Some of the members and partly the moderation used to make this very hard.

 

[Zelmardonpoktendo]

Personally I think the attitude of members has been disgusting considering EviLore hasn't been found guilty of anything. I'm not saying he's guilty or not, I'm not in a position to make that decision. I hope that the people judging him never find themselves being falsely accused of a crime though, I assume they'd willingly lock themselves up if that was the case based on their behaviour these past few days.

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mothman91]

I'll stick with gaming age, but incase it really goes down slowly, I would like a link to the GAF discord also please.

 

[RickFrick'n]

Can there be a sticky somewhere on how to self-ban/ permanently delete your own account? Maybe some folks would opt for doing that instead of suiciding in ridiculous ways.

I quickly scanned the user control panel and couldn't find anything about deleting one's own account.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

Just a quick glance of one of your posts in another thread shows how you are one of those guys Trying to take advantage of the whole situation in order to steer the tone of GAF In your shitty direction






Sure because the right direction is to tolerate casual racism and bigotry.

And you didn’t answered my question and that’s for a reason

So now I voted for Trump?

Be difficult if you ask me since I live in Sweden and do not have American citizenship. I am also a moderate politically which means I believe in free healthcare and other "radical" ideas.

At least you answered my question which was to show how dumb you are and how stupid the extreme left political GAF was and how much damage you guys did when you dogpile and ban anyone you didn't like while throwing made yo allegations their way without a means for anyone to defend themselves.

Hope you get to enjoy your ResistEra soon enough.

 

[Lelou]

If someone could invite me to GAF discord i would be glad and appreciate that..

 

[Grug]

lol

you already made your point that anyone who thinks this could be a step in the right direction is a "MAGA user", so there's not much here to discuss. unless you have an actual argument to make, at least.

Got to admit, I am well on the left politically by any measure but got branded as a "part of the problem" and a "friend of Nazis" here once merely for suggesting that people stop piling on other anti-Nazi posters who ideologically had a problem with "punching people in the face" as a political principle. I didn't even agree with that stance (i fantasise about punching Nazis in the face"., I just defended those who are uncomfortable with embedding violence with political protest.

Fuck all the gamergaters, they are pieces of living shit and their views are repugnant. The cunts should be banned on sight. But I can't totally disagree with anyone who said it was an echo chamber. The political discussion oftrossed over from intellectually stimulating leftism into a complete echo chamber requiring unquestioned commitment to the party line and perpetual purity tests.

I would love a left-leaning OT to return. We are what we are and I love it. There surely can just be a level where it doesn't disappear up its own arse.

 

[Phased]

The people posting porn, goatse and dumb images as they go out is a pretty good indicator of some of the people GAF is losing.

Good riddance.

 

[Zelmardonpoktendo]

Obligatory, before I go...

Evilore just shot himself in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about NeoGAF culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become president by being an pervert. If you sexually assault someone over on NeoGAF, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the NeoGAF members, after hearing about this, is not going to want to visit NeoGAF, nor will they follow Evilore's Twitter. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Evilore has alienated an entire market with this move.

Evilore, publicly apologize and resign from your post or you can kiss NeoGAF goodbye.

BULLSHIT POST. if he apologizes and resigns it makes him guilty. He says he is not guilty, so he needs to fight for his rights.

 

[Saint of Killers]

You've killed Off Topic because it was nasty to you. Fuck you, and fuck your ego. I'm done. You're a cunt, and always will be.

.

Shutting down OT because "it was toxic" is unashamedly self-serving and a wholly transparent thing to do, but it's to be expected of a piece of shit.

I will miss this place, it was my 2nd internet home and I don't say that lightly, but you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere, you know? Thank you to everyone who made this one of the best places on the web. See you on the offshoot.

 

[TabrisRyu]

That post with Evilore grapping incident caps got nuked in seconds, even after reading it I don't understand the outrage, things like these happen every night in every night club ever and nobody gives a shit, go out more. You are just looking for reasons to be outraged, specially with the shower incident, people are calling him rapist and he didn't do anything just sperged out. People just want an excuse to jump ship

 

[MacBosse]

Even if the allegations are false, this whole thing is just a mess. I've been a member for over ten years now, and it sucks to see the community splinter like this. I'll be taking a break from the forum for a while.

Yeah, this is how I feel too.

It's been a great ride GAF, but now it will never be the same.