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[pants]

Honestly, I never felt that the moderation here was too strict. On the contrary, I appreciate the banning of clearly racist or sexist users. In this day and age, it's more important than ever to take a stand against the forces that threaten humanity.

The only thing clear was that there was a group of users with mod assistance that liked to paint people who disagree with them as GG, racist, sexist, russian spies or whatever the current hated things was in games journalism. It was (and continues to be) pathetic when people appealed to mods to get rid of dissenters.

 

[pixelation]

So unironically tossing SJW around as a pejorative is going to be normal thing around here now?

Apparently so, GAF as we knew it is going down the shitter it seems...

 

[Buffalo]

This might come as a surprise to you but Off Topic was completely separate from Gaming. You could even visit Off Topic and easily avoid the thread about politics.

Honestly this all reeks of "I didn't like it, so it must disappear!". Go to 4chan or reddit then. You have options. Those of us who liked GAF don't have them.

willfully rejecting the fact that the users on this site politicized any subject they could doesn't make the truth go away. the site has a reputation for a reason.

the problem with off-topic is that it was one-sided discussion, and you're being dishonest if you think otherwise.

 

[ShironRedshift]

Also for the people complaining about the termination of political discussions, come the fuck on mates there weren't really any discussions taking place in most of those topics, it was just a bunch of people patting each other on the back and agreeing with almost everything and as soon as some nuance or slight diversion is introduced the crowd freaks out and create all kind of strawman to kill that line of thinking. Those political discussions were mostly circle jerks in the grand scheme of things.

As someone who was extremely active as a lurker in the OT, there was definitely plenty of discussion going on in those threads. Even if it wasn't always stuff I enjoyed, like say relitigating the Democratic Primary and BernieGAF and HillaryGAF going after each other time and time again, that was still discussion, whether it was discussion I liked or not. And the fact that you had stuff like those two sides going after each other, even like a year after the primaries were oven, is proof in of itself that not everything was sunshine and rainbows and not only did those discussions take place, they took place often enough to become memes and shit and for plenty of feelings to develop among both groups regarding that.

Speaking of which, not only that, but pretty much any thread involving Hillary Clinton in general was proof that there is anything but "circle jerks" occurring in political threads in the OT. Any thread about her, no matter what it was, lit up like fireworks. There were plenty of disagreements being hard, so this characterization is just in no way accurate. And while some of that stuff really got on my nerves, no way do I think the answer is just to nuke it all completely. That just doesn't make sense at all and is completely disproportionate, especially since there was so much good discussion in comparison to the bad. It's just a step too far.

Then you have stuff like the recent situation in the Barcelona threads, where there were definitely plenty of people both pro- and anti-secession in those threads, going at it. It was hardly one or the other, and definitely not just people patting each other on the back.

Everything about this is just 100% false.

Edit: As another example that came to mind after I submitted this, there was also the thread about the results of the recent New Zealand election. There were definitely a handful of different perspectives in that thread, about whether people were positive, negative, or indifferent towards the results and as an American pretty ignorant of New Zealand politics, I appreciated those varied perspectives. But now that's all gone.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

... How did he sound paranoid?

it's more important than ever to take a stand against the forces that threaten humanity.

.

 

[Anarion07]

The threads I frequented the most were about gaming news, news in general (in OT) and parts of my hobbies. Nice threads, good topics and good discussion (mostly).

And strangely enough, I hardly remember any of the suicide-account names. Mysterious.

 

[crops55]

I've been here for 7 or so years and cannot believe I have never heard of the ass grabbing incident before. Grabbing a girls ass under the guise of "sending a message" is a pathetic statement. Why can't you just say no to buying her a drink? Yeah, he's kind of a dick. I won't associate myself with someone like that on or off the internet. What a shame. See ya Gaf.

 

[Flintty]

I’m glad the site is back up and I’m glad there will be more a focus on talking about games. The people having tantrums, I’m glad you’re gone - this place can be fun again.

 

[zoukka]

Without the mod team this forum will soon implode when the right-wing lurkers swarm in from hiding.

This forum was a big part of my daily routine since 2004, I am beyond sad for losing that, but I fear I wouldn’t enjoy my stay here anymore with Evilore still in charge and the mod team gone.

End of an era, I love you guys/girls, the community who made this place what it was. See you on the other side and farewell.

Hope to to see you guys somewhere some day.

 

[ZeoVGM]

.

That isn't paranoia.

 

[flintstryker]

This might come as a surprise to you but Off Topic was completely separate from Gaming. You could even visit Off Topic and easily avoid the thread about politics.

Honestly this all reeks of "I didn't like it, so it must disappear!". Go to 4chan or reddit then. You have options. Those of us who liked GAF don't have them.

That sounds an awful lot like how gaf has always operated, which is fine I suppose if you were on the 'right' side.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Anyway, despite my belief that people are way too willing to pick up the torches and pitchforks when it's not warranted and that OT had been steadily devolving into a dumpster fire anyway, I do feel compelled to comment that you've handled the situation terribly, Evilore.

Perception matters way more than reality. That's just the truth of these things when you're this visible/public, no matter how stupid or unjust that it sounds. You should have just handed off the site to another party while you worked through these things; if the accusations against you were baseless or overblown, then the whole mess could have just blown over in due time. This site is (was?) bigger than you and I don't think you've done right by the people who have helped build it over the years.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

we'll be lucky if this site actually reverts from being a toxic politically-driven hivemind into being a place for video game news and discussion again.

Oh no, what will we do without threads about representation and ableism in the mushroom kingdom.

 

[Dan1984uk]

Never mind.

 

[phisheep]

Also for the people complaining about the termination of political discussions, come the fuck on mates there weren't really any discussions taking place in most of those topics, it was just a bunch of people patting each other on the back and agreeing with almost everything and as soon as some nuance or slight diversion is introduced the crowd freaks out and create all kind of strawman to kill that line of thinking. Those political discussions were mostly circle jerks in the grand scheme of things.

Don't know about that. I've had plenty of robust political discussions with the likes of Crab, CCS, Quiche Fontaine, CyclopsRock, Huw_Dawson and many others from every part of the political spectrum - and (nearly) all with respect and good humour. That's in the UK of course.

If US PoliGAF seems toxic, then maybe it is because US politics is toxic.

 

[Link]

willfully rejecting the fact that the users on this site politicized any subject they could doesn't make the truth go away. the site has a reputation for a reason.

the problem with off-topic is that it was one-sided discussion, and you're being dishonest if you think otherwise.

It most certainly wasn't. There was a lot of healthy and sometimes heated debate. I've seen the alternative, and no thanks.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

That isn't paranoia.

It is an expression of it especially in regards to the OT and moderation on a gaming forum called NeoGAF.

 

[RC0101]

Glad gaf is back but I'm going to miss the baseball thread. I don't know any fellow Dodgers fans and there were quite a few in there.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

I want the Japan travel thread back.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Eh. Fuck it. I'm out.

 

[TarNaru33]

Oh I agree, and one of the reasons I loved GAF was that it was a given that people more or less agreed that women and lgbtq people deserved respect and dignity. It's something I haven't seen on any other gaming forum.

That said...GAF DID have a problem when it came to actual discourse. The accusations that this place has been an "echochamber" are not totally unfounded. The witch-hunting that went on in certain threads was appalling.

We need to do better. I have enough faith in my progressive political views that I can defend them from time to time.

I did witness some of the witch-hunting, but I was of the thought, that if a person was wrong in their accusation it was an auto permaban.

Bans being incorrectly done and the supporting of witch-hunts by mods I can agree are not good things of this site and it should be resolved a s best it can.

EDIT: I am going off now. I was worried when I seen GAF not functioning for about 48 hours as that long period of time of being off and being left in the dark likely amplified the frustration of members and caused them to leave.

 

[Fercho]

So unironically tossing SJW around as a pejorative is going to be normal thing around here now?

That’s surely the agenda they are trying to push in this thread. Look all those MAGA users calling “toxic” all the things their entitled “oppressed” minds could not handled. I was fine with the moderation too and I hope GAF goes back to the very same hammer that they had.

GAF or a similar place.

 

[sephiroth7x]

I am watching closely. I love this place and have found many great games/friends from it.

I take these accusations very seriously and if proven to be true, will indeed be boycotting.

However, after being in a similar position with a vindictive ex (my ex was especially who made up a lot of lies about me. I was lucky my friends stuck by me) I will take a stand back and see what happens...

 

[Porcile]

I want the Japan travel thread back.

Japan is dead. It's full of weebs anyway.

 

[Muku]

Thank you for the notice, Evilore. Was hoping we would hear something soon.

As for what happened, I can't personally comment on it as I was not there. However, I will state that I am happy to see GAF is back so I can go back to talking about games. I'm here for the game talk. I'll be staying for the game talk.

 

[Raxus]

They threw us all under the bus.

This place was supposed to be a heck of a lot more than 1 person.

That 1 person happened to own the site and undermined the mod team at every turn. All the administration all the mods left for a reason. If you wanna continue to be blind towards it than feel free.

See you all on Reset. I do hope most of you make the transition. Those of you who decide to stay, I will not judge. I hope you have a good time. Best of luck to everyone.

 

[Enduin]

then you also think that all those head lines saying that the shower incident was a "sexual assaul" were justified?

there shouldn't be a distinction between that incident (in the context that it happened), and something that resembles an actual assault? the fact that she was so "outraged" after the "assaut" that they continued to be friends and, even more, had a sexual relatioship shortly after shouldn't matter either?

I thought that the articles that took their time to come out, and used the words "sexual misconduct" in the tittle (instead of "assault"), did a much better job of decribing the situation with the information that we had.

Pointless semantics. As is bringing up their continued relationship afterwards. Abusive relationships are a thing. The how's and why's they remained friends and eventually hooked up are immaterial to the incident in the shower and what that was. People stay in contact and maintain relationships with people they have unhealthy and down right awful interactions with all the time.

A woman sick and in vulnerable state, cornered by a naked man is frightening, he thankfully backed off when rebuked but then proceeded to treat her with contempt and scorn afterwards. Making her feel bad for refusing his advances and for feeling violated by the incident. Whether you prefer to label that assault or misconduct is rather pointless in the face of what happened and how it affected the victim. This shit doesn't occur in a vacuum, it's an every day occurrence for millions of women and it colors and affects all aspects of their lives and events in them.

His handling of the situation right now only furthers to make him look bad and add credibility to her statements and version of the events. His attempts to label her as mentally unwell to discredit her is just disgusting and cowardly.

 

[Buffalo]

It most certainly wasn't. There was a lot of healthy and sometimes heated debate. I've seen the alternative, and no thanks.

lol are you kidding? any time there was a "heated debate", whoever strayed from the narrative first got the boot. that's anything but healthy. why do you think this site got a reputation for being toxic and uninviting?

granted, it SHOULD be to those who are blatantly racist, bigoted, etc (although I'm sure that probably meant less and less over the years considering how easy it was to make accusations on here). but again, acting like a lot of people on here weren't up their own ass is just disingenuous.

 

[kess]

Saying that the moderators were above accountability, then making them anonymous is illogical and makes the moderation even less accountable. And it is disingenuous to claim after shutting down the site and reforming it in a manner less threatening to Evilore himself that the moderators have a cult of personality to reckon with him.

The culture is broken, and it starts at the top.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Oh I'm sure I said something wrong in the eyes of the people who piled on me, but I didn't say anything outrageous. When I as an example don't like it when white people are spoken of as an entity just like I don't like when that happens for black people I get shit on for going #NotAllWhitePeople when I just wanted to point out that that rethoric never helps, and never will, no matter what group it is used on. I remember someone else getting banned because he argued that the person he was shitting on (someone else than me) was "WHITE FFS", like that's a justifiable reason. I've seen some crazy ass shit on OT. Maybe you didn't because it never was directed at you.


This is straight up BS. And this "y'all didn't care" is too. Who is that y'all. Why am I part of it? Because I disagree with you on the matter? Do you not see how that's not helping any discusssion? This is the exact thing I'm talking about. Stop thinking in groups. I'm not part of that perceived something just because I disagree with you on the topic of how the general discourse of OT GAf was.


"You did this, you did that, but actually I'm just assuming things because I have no fucking clue who you actually are, I'm just making shit up in my mind, putting words in your mouth and make up shit you believe in so i can feel better about myself and act like I'm up for discussion at the same time." You don't even realize how fucking toxic your rethoric and behaviour is.

You don't have to say something outrageous to catch a ban.

The discussion has already been had. You know this. You just want to reiterate lost points because you feel emboldened right now. You know moderation was fair. You just don't care because you were bit by it. Now you can safely attack back. Instead of you learning to do better you decided to stay quiet and bitter. You keep saying I'm the toxic one. It sounds like you're trying to reinforce a belief to yourself.


You feel attacked because you couldn't jive with the cool kids. They knocked you back for your shitty views. Accept that even today after the folks who you dislike have left and you cannot stop talking / thinking about them. Accept that the people you want respect from don't like you. I have.

 

[Boem]

This post is such bullshit Malka. You're not a hero here, the mods didn't leave because of "stress", and banning political and social issues because of your own bullshit and painting the problem as the Off Topic fucking it up is taking dishonesty to new levels. OT was a great place - I learned so much about political and social issues and struggles of people in communtities I had no other insight to (like the transgender community, for instance). The OT helped me with my own issues - severe depression, addicition, questions of identity. I can quite honestly say some people I met here literally saved my life. I know it helped many others. I made a lot fo friends here. It really did make a significant impact on my life. And a lot of that was in the way it cut out outright hate speech, racism and sexism, and being able to openly discuss the bigger issues.

Your "statement" here is pure pandering to the people celebrating the death of Gaf right now because it was, according to them, nothing more than a SJW hivemind. That's not what this is about and what caused this, and you know it. You're just completely dishonest here, and you destroyed a good place with this. Just because you refuse to take responsibility and just have to shift the blame. I don't know if this is because you don't want to lose the income or if you just can't take a hit to your ego, but either explanation is embarassing.

Just perma me, I'm done with this shit. You should be ashamed of yourself, Tyler Malka.

 

[Wamb0wneD]

That's the kind of community GAF has decided to go with.

So unironically tossing SJW around as a pejorative is going to be normal thing around here now?

Do you have more than one post that uses it that way or are you just blowing shit out of proportion again and use one idiot poster to paint all of GAF as that alt-right shithole you want it to become so you can justify bailing?

You don't have to say something outrageous to catch a ban.

The discussion has already been had. You know this. You just want to reiterate lost points because you feel emboldened right now. You know moderation was fair. You just don't care because you were bit by it. Now you can safely attack back. Instead of you learning to do better you decided to stay quiet and bitter. You keep saying I'm the toxic one. It sounds like you're trying to reinforce a belief to yourself.


You feel attacked because you couldn't jive with the cool kids. They knocked you back for your shitty views. Accept that even today after the folks who you dislike have left and you cannot stop talking / thinking about them. Accept that the people you want respect from don't like you. I have.

I never was talking about catching a ban. I did catch one week long because I told someone to fuck off and that's it. What points am I reiterating? I'm dicussing OT's discussion culture and nothing else. You are making shit up again. What should I do better? What instances are you talking about? You assume I got banned for something that goes against your views and that that ban was justified, and that I'm trying to argue against any of that made up crap. "It sounds like you're tryin to reinforce a belief to yourself." The fucking irony. I can't.

You attack because you perceive yourself as the cool kid while not knowing what I wrote, how I wrote it, or in what context. You don't know me. You don't know my beliefs. My skin colour, my political or sexual orientation. You know jack shit and yet act so condescending and in the know, talk about "shitty views" that it's sickening. You don't want to have any discussion. You want to talk down to people that you perceive to be on the other side of the ideological spectrum and try to fit in there anybody you slightly disagree with because you're too lazy to actually make some points.

I'm not part of that other side you want me to fit in so badly. I'm neither part of the cool kids nor the uncool ones, I'm an adult. Sorry to tell you.

 

[Caayn]

Count me as one of the folks who're happy that the site is back up.

The extreme political and correct side of the site was a part that I never cared for. I believe that no one is a saint, that everybody makes mistakes and that people can and should learn from those mistakes instead of condemning them for the rest of their lives. Throwing around insults when complaining about racism, facism, or a different topic never added much to the discussion.

 

[jsnepo]

I don't know where to leave this thought but I kind of wish the mental health thread wasn't removed as it helps me by reading through it.

 

[Link]

lol are you kidding? any time there was a "heated debate", whoever strayed from the narrative first got the boot. that's anything but healthy. why do you think this site got a reputation for being toxic and uninviting?

granted, it SHOULD be to those who are blatantly racist, bigoted, etc (although I'm sure that probably meant less and less over the years considering how easy it was to make accusations on here). but again, acting like a lot of people on here weren't up their own ass is just disingenuous.

I've seen the people who have made those comments and the places they now post. Once again, no thanks.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

That’s surely the agenda they are trying to push in this thread. Look all those MAGA users calling “toxic” all the things their entitled “oppressed” minds could not handled. I was fine with the moderation too and I hope GAF goes to the very same hammer that they had.

GAF or a similar place.

Name names please.

 

[weekev]

The way this is all being handled is inexcusably bad, it's just a master class in bad executive decisions. There isn't much community left here, but removing the Off Topic forum because the owner of the website allegedly did something disgusting several years ago -- and was identifies -- is punishing the community for disgusting decisions that the owner of the website made.

Evilore, the Off Topic forum did not make you make the wrong decision or do the wrong thing 2 years ago or 5 years ago. The Off Topic forum did not make Amir0x download child pornography. Yes, the Off Topic forum exposes risk for your business (these three issues are examples of that risk), but the reason your business is a business is largely because the site has both a gaming discussion area (which I think is the initial draw for most members) and then an off topic area (which most members also chat in). I think most people here became members to chat about videogames, but then naturally, you chat about other things you're interested in -- sports, movies, music, or the really specific topics like the Black Culture threads, developer/programming threads, or the communities like WrassleGaf or NFLGaf. Punishing those communities because you or your former staff are exposing your business to risk with poor choices is not the right way to handle this.

There have been a number of high profile sexual assaults in the news lately, and while most folks are talking about Harvey Weinstein, Liberty Mutual -- the investment firm -- has also recently fired two employees for sexual misconduct at the workplace. It wouldn't be right for Liberty Mutual to say, "We're not having the company Christmas Party, because Christmas parties is what got us into this mess in the first place," or "We're not going to participate in social out reach because social out reach has made us look like hypocrites with these sexual assaults." No, because it's not The Christmas Party or the Social outreach program that's causing the problem: It's bad, hurtful, or illegal decisions made by you or by some former staff members.

You've always had a reputation for making brash decisions, and most of these have not faired well for you. Poorly thought out statements about Amir0x that bent the truth, came too late, and just weren't handled correctly; decisions to ban certain topics from being discussed; decisions to ban certain members or former staff, and scores of others. This, though, is clearly the worst decision and it shows in inability to accept fault. This decisions seems to simply be another projection: "I've made bad decisions in my life and business, and so the business must be punished." That doesn't make any sense, it's selfish and delusional.

You have an opportunity to make the right decision. Obviously you feel like this site is your baby and "it's your's," but this business exists in spite of you, not because of you. It can be hard for a CEO or business owner to give up something that they think is theirs, many CEOs resist this and are befuddled when their board ousts them for a business that they themselves launched. The right thing for you to do would have been to announce that you're taking an indefinite leave of absence from NeoGaf. Revenue from the site would be put into an escrow account to cover expenses and hire staff who would manage it in your absence. A board of staff (moderators, admins) would be formed to hire staff who would manage the site and support the community. Those would be base level decisions which would ensure, at least, some integrity with the site which would keep at least some members around. The site would persist and could possibly bounce back, ultimately you wouldn't be punishing your customers or your business for your own bad decision. Instead, you made the wrong decision with how this was handled and then continually made the wrong decision with how you're going to move forward with this, instead of holding yourself accountable, you're punishing the community that has made your business successful.

It shows an utter lack of self-awareness which then also undermines any integrity that you're trying to preserve against allegations like the ones you're facing.

This is a perfect post which sums up my feelings precisely. I’m pretty surprised at the victim shaming as well tbh. Pretty much the thing that Evilore always warned against. It’s incredible.

 

[ProfessorLobo]

As someone who was extremely active as a lurker in the OT, there was definitely plenty of discussion going on in those threads. Even if it wasn't always stuff I enjoyed, like say relitigating the Democratic Primary and BernieGAF and HillaryGAF going after each other time and time again, that was still discussion, whether it was discussion I liked or not. And the fact that you had stuff like those two sides going after each other, even like a year after the primaries were oven, is proof in of itself that not everything was sunshine and rainbows and not only did those discussions take place, they took place often enough to become memes and shit and for plenty of feelings to develop among both groups regarding that.

Speaking of which, not only that, but pretty much any thread involving Hillary Clinton in general was proof that there is anything but "circle jerks" occurring in political threads in the OT. Any thread about her, no matter what it was, lit up like fireworks. There were plenty of disagreements being hard, so this characterization is just in no way accurate. And while some of that stuff really got on my nerves, no way do I think the answer is just to nuke it all completely. That just doesn't make sense at all and is completely disproportionate, especially since there was so much good discussion in comparison to the bad. It's just a step too far.

Then you have stuff like the recent situation in the Barcelona threads, where there were definitely plenty of people both pro- and anti-secession in those threads, going at it. It was hardly one or the other, and definitely not just people patting each other on the back.

Everything about this is just 100% false.

Edit: As another example that came to mind after I submitted this, there was also the thread about the results of the recent New Zealand election. There were definitely a handful of different perspectives in that thread, about whether people were positive, negative, or indifferent towards the results and as an American pretty ignorant of New Zealand politics, I appreciated those varied perspectives. But now that's all gone.

But hey man, where's the thread for my thoughts on a white ethnostate?

 

[Truant]

Even if the allegations are false, this whole thing is just a mess. I've been a member for over ten years now, and it sucks to see the community splinter like this. I'll be taking a break from the forum for a while.

 

[Ridesh]

Well, I like what I'm reading.

To be sincere I give two shits about the acussation againts EviLore and all the drama, I mean, it was... interesting, but what I care about is about the good gaf forum, the one that has some great gaming discussion sometimes when it's not contaminated with politics and what else, that has some great OTs regarding movies and series, so what can I say, I like what I'm reading about the site new focus, it will be a lot less insufferable to read and less of an echochamber / hivemind.

There's no better place than gaf for gaming and media discussion, news, rumors

 

[Buffalo]

That’s surely the agenda they are trying to push in this thread. Look all those MAGA users calling “toxic” all the things their entitled “oppressed” minds could not handled. I was fine with the moderation too and I hope GAF goes back to the very same hammer that they had.

GAF or a similar place.

good on you for living up to the stereotype, anyone who disagrees with you is obviously a "MAGA user", racist, bigoted, etc. whichever adjective you prefer.

 

[Undead Unicorn]

Let's dissect this oddly designed response:

You say they were banned for voting for Sanders and not Clinton? Proof? I saw a bunch of people banned because they kept gloating they voted for Sanders and kept pushing the envelope. But hey, you're more right than I will ever be.

Yes, when they were blamed somehow for her not doing voter outreach in Ohio or any of the other blue wall states when she hung in California with her banker and celebrity friends. Likewise when they challenged that she was anything lesser evil to Trump. Or that her decisions lead directly to her snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

The later two cases are strong opinions but sexist or racist? Not close. Trolling? Only under very specific circumstances that posters rarely met. People were willing to make legitimate arguments that Clinton's politics were bad of at least not to their liking without sexism being a factor.

Here's a question: what argument do you think would get a ban for agreeing big boobs were fine? I'm sure your answer would illuminate a bit more on your though processes.

Lolicon, to specifically harass or flame individual users, or low effort and uncomical shitposting. Though for shitposting, I'd let it be very temporary unless it involves into the former or they never learn their lesson)

And yes the three examples you listed should indeed have lead to punishment and did. But so did people saying making arguments that Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball was unfairly beat up the press or that shit like Mika slapping her ass or the like was when mods hit the ban button.

Quick question about your character (lol), if a poster made a post about Mika's ass slap being removed was dumb or the like about this type of shit, if they maintained arguments and not shit posts, should they be allowed to challenge others with different opinions in those threads? What constitutes an argument or an insulting shit post?

 

[Klappdrachen]

So unironically tossing SJW around as a pejorative is going to be normal thing around here now?

I noticed that, too, it's disgusting.

 

[minusman2029]

No he won't. Barely anyone will care. His reputation won't suffer because people would much rather believe men's accounts of sexual assault. Some people will think poorly of him from now on, but most people won't. He'll probably even become a hero to certain people on the Internet. We don't live in a world where sexually assaulting women earns you a bad reputation.

well that's a very nihilistic way of looking at things. if everyone thought like that, I'd tend to agree with you. but times are slowly changing, just look at what's going on in hollywood right now. its what led to this whole mess in the first place

and only sad tweens and manchildren would think this guy's a hero for creeping up butt naked on a girl whose puking in the shower and think that's a smooth move

 

[Swiggins]

lol are you kidding? any time there was a "heated debate", whoever strayed from the narrative first got the boot. that's anything but healthy. why do you think this site got a reputation for being toxic and uninviting?

granted, it SHOULD be to those who are blatantly racist, bigoted, etc (although I'm sure that probably meant less and less over the years considering how easy it was to make accusations on here). but again, acting like a lot of people on here weren't up their own ass is just disingenuous.

NeoGAF did allow for discussion...but I agree that oftentimes it was impossible to discuss certain topics without being shouted down, even if you did genuinely want to talk and understand the other point of view.

GAF in the past year or so has REALLY had a witch-hunting problem. Part of that is because of the extreme political climate we find ourselves in (we have fucking Nazi's walking around for fucks sake) but it often went too far in the other direction.

 

[Xpliskin]

What the heck happened to GAF.
I'm glad the gaming side is back up.

What's with all the suicides ?

I don't understand the outrage ?

 

[Fercho]

good on you for living up to the stereotype, anyone who disagrees with you is obviously a "MAGA user", racist, bigoted, etc. whichever adjective you prefer.

Sure junior,

But first tell me, in which things you’ll disagree?

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

But hey man, where's the thread for my thoughts on a white ethnostate?

So you mean he is a nazi or you wish you could be one yourself?

 

[therealist]

The first sign that something was wrong with the OT forum was when even threads questioning whether or not Hillary truly had a stranglehold on the election was locked. Then of course Trump actually won and the rest is history.

I am a liberal but enjoy reading debate and all opposing viewpoints as long as they are intelligent positions. I would have loved to have seen more intelligent conservative posters debating many of GAF's extremely bright liberal posters. Unfortunately, GAF drove away all of the conservatives and that's what led to this echo chamber.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

Sure junior,

But first tell me, in which things you’ll disagree?

Why won't you name names? I want to know who all the MAGA users in this thread are that you know voted for Trump.