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[RDreamer]

Guess that alot of people don't believe in due process... That's what I learned from this.

Since when does due process apply to where I go on the internet or what I purchase?

I can stop supporting someone or some thing because they're a fucking dickhead and no court in the world would throw you in jail just for being a dickhead. Why is the line in morality what would get you convicted in court? You guys realize at one point it was legal to lynch black people, right? The court system isn't the be all end all of moral superiority.

 

[kliklik]

Goatse account suicide eh? Now we've all been sexually assaulted.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Okay, read that article.

Before that i thought Evillore was raping somebody, reading all that crazy stuff here from people.

Guys, he was just making a move on some girl he thought wanted to have sex with him.
Apparently he backed off when she made clear that she didn't want to fuck with him, like any dude with some morals should do.

I don't see anything wrong that happened.

Sorry, but a lot of people are completely overreacting here.

add: *slow clap* for the goatse account suicide...

 

[HazySaiyan]

“This guy straight up showed me his dick without me asking, is that assault?”

Fuck off with that shit, of course it fucking is

 

[Clipjoint]

Cool, I'll keep that in mind next time - I'ma be like "Hey, Clipjoint wouldn't approve of this if you were his wife" and nip it in the bud.

He must be an extremely secure guy to let his wife share a bed with another dude. But don't try to convince me that's a normal situation.

 

[bronk]

Goatse account suicide eh? Now we've all been sexually assaulted.

Fuuuck man I didnt need to see that

 

[Ryzaki009]

Ugh I really could've gone without seeing that image. WTF.

 

[Mahadev]

You are literally rolling the dice every time you do that. Actual unspoken societal norms usually dictate what you say to be true, but there's no actual law that says it's ok to make any physical contact like that with another person that's not consensual. Every time you kiss someone without consent, you risk getting a charge of battery if that person felt like prosecuting you.

You are absolutely, completely, unequivocally out of touch with reality and human relationships. You're basically accusing more than half of the male population of the world of being sexual predators because they were rejected some time in their lives by a woman. I am honestly dumbfounded by what I read here.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Really. The guy said this:

"Most women are vulnerable in this way when it comes to men. Just saying no is an act of bravery that can literally lead to ptsd symptoms"

That's offensive as fuck to women. A woman isn't capable of saying no? What the fuck does he think women are? It's literal insanity.

You do realize that men do this too? Ever been robbed at gunpoint? Do you say no and hope they'll leave you alone or do you hand over your wallet and hope they go on their way. Any time anyone is in a position where someone has power over you, you have to make calculations like that in your head and you're delusional if you think women aren't making those calculations all the time when they get put into situations like this with a man who's bigger and stronger than they are. It's not even just physical safety; many consider the social blowback of saying no as well (will this guy go tell everyone I'm just a tease, a prude, will I feel guilty because they thought I lead them on, etc.)

It has nothing to do with having the capability to say no. Anyone can do that. It's about the potential consequences that come with that no. And yes, I've heard this time and time again with actual women, including my own wife. A good portion of the #metoo campaign is built on this idea if you actually pay any attention to it.

 

[ShiftyCow]

that loss was 10/10, this on the other hand is just uninspired

should've left on a high note https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaaZZN9VYs

 

[WaterAstro]

Holy crap. Klepek should wrote a lot and was very thorough.

False accusations are going to be happening a lot in advent of the Weinstein copycat and #metoo. There's no doubt actual sexual harassment allegations out there, but there are going to be a lot of falsehoods being spread. Humans aren't perfect, and we can't jury, judge, executioner in these cases.

 

[Nickle]

A special shout out to the members who calmly voice their displeasure and ask to be banned without posting goatse.

 

[Forearms]

”This guy straight up showed me his dick without me asking, is that assault?"

Fuck off with that shit, of course it fucking is

In the state of Washington it's a misdemeanor. It isn't sexual assault. Not sure about other states. It seems like people are escalating this whole thing by calling it something it isn't.

 

[TheYanger]

Sleeping in the same bed as someone else's spouse is not usually seen as normal, but go ahead and be shitty and condescending.

I never said that was. Continue to try and twist what I said instead of following the fucking quotes though.

I said it's perfectly normal not to sexually assault someone JUST because you're alone, drinking, and compatible sexual preferences.

 

[RDreamer]

You do realize that men do this too? Ever been robbed at gunpoint? Do you say no and hope they'll leave you alone or do you hand over your wallet and hope they go on their way. Any time anyone is in a position where someone has power over you, you have to make calculations like that in your head and you're delusional if you think women aren't making those calculations all the time when they get put into situations like this with a man who's bigger and stronger than they are. It's not even just physical safety; many consider the social blowback of saying no as well (will this guy go tell everyone I'm just a tease, a prude, will I feel guilty because they thought I lead them on, etc.)

It has nothing to do with having the capability to say no. Anyone can do that. It's about the potential consequences that come with that no. And yes, I've heard this time and time again with actual women, including my own wife. A good portion of the #metoo campaign is built on this idea if you actually pay any attention to it.

Exactly spot on.

 

[Jacqli]

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What the fuuuuck, this is way too good.

Some of you are defending him more than he did for himself. I am not going to do it, I think the whole incident is pretty weird on both sides to be honest, but Evilore should manage these situations better instead of I do not know what he tried to do. He is not giving a feeling of community, that he is part of Neogaf, and I think this will backfire him, perhaps this time the forum will survive but…
And the forum, by the way, was overly sensitive. To the point that you could not disagree with anything because you will be tagged or banned. So now the reality struck even harder and against him.

Anyway, I just want to know when the hitman new content is up. And can I now safely say that I have been using adblock the whole time? I think this could get you banned before?

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

You are absolutely, completely, unequivocally out of touch with reality and human relationships. You're basically accusing more than half of the male population of the world of being sexual predators because they were rejected some time in their lives by a woman. I am honestly dumbfounded by what I read here.

Absolutely not. You're jumping to conclusions. I already said many if not most people are fine with men making those moves.

The issue at hand is that some people absolutely are not and those people are protected under law and can punish you for violating their rights if they so choose to do so. From your perspective, the few people who don't want that kind of attention should just have to suck it up because many people are fine with it. The law is there to protect the most vulnerable.

 

[WhiskeyKnight]

Honestly, there's too many for me to list right now. Most states have clauses such as this from Delaware: A male is guilty of indecent exposure in the second degree if he exposes his genitals or buttocks under circumstances in which he knows his conduct is likely to cause affront or alarm to another person. That can be public or private. Read the individual laws. There's very few that state that conduct has to be only in public and even the ones that mention public have riders that clarify that position. Honestly, public space can literally mean any place where someone else can see you who isn't consenting where the state doesn't specifically grant access to nudity.

https://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=31193

Fair enough, but I still don't think you'd find a prosecutor who would press charges in this case. The victims in indecent exposure prosecutions typically don't know the accused personally. In this case, not only were they vacationing together, not only were they staying in the same hotel room, they had been drinking and partying together. Tyler just has too much plausible deniability here for an indecency exposure charge to stick IMO.

 

[All Hail C-Webb]

I assure you, the women you love are definitely worrying about sexual assault.

But we're not talking about about sexual assault, we're talking about hypocritical white knights who won't be able to spew their stupidity on GAF anymore.

Virtue Signalers who are so quick to create a victim out of somebody that they insult their whole sex. Women are now too weak to say no, and most of them suffer from PTSD if they have to do it.

This situation would never be heard in court, let alone lead to a guilty verdict of any kind.
It's simple, trying to claim otherwise just makes you look like a fool.
I'm going to fuck my gorgeous wife, you go look at yours, and we'll both feel much better.

 

[Sweep14]

Showing up in the shower of a non-consenting woman completely naked doesn't even register as sexually 'aggressive' to you?

Damn.

Imho it's a case were he misinterpreted the situation and thought he had an opening. The facts that they were both drunk and that she didn't close the bathroom door don't also help to clarify it. He was told to go away and complied. They later talked about it and as per the girl's words he regreted his initiative.

 

[caffeware]

You are absolutely, completely, unequivocally out of touch with reality and human relationships. You're basically accusing more than half of the male population of the world of being sexual predators because they were rejected some time in their lives by a woman. I am honestly dumbfounded by what I read here.

This is why they need to leave as soon as possible.

Turn the site back towards nerd culture.

 

[TheTylerRob]

I never said that was. Continue to try and twist what I said instead of following the fucking quotes though.

I said it's perfectly normal not to sexually assault someone JUST because you're alone, drinking, and compatible sexual preferences.

Here is your post

Is it really that fucking sexually charged or uncomfortable? Not for normal people.

You've had multiple people disagree with this statement and your only defense has been that we aren't reading your post, if you aren't interested in actually discussing, why are you posting on a discussion board?

 

[HunterXZelos]

I didn't know anything about why Neogaf went down this weekend until reading about it later, but this is what I personally think.

The situation was handled poorly for sure, although at the same time the speed where everything went boom is a little too fast too imo. We hear about one side and suddenly everything just goes boom over a -very- short period of time, that's honestly what many people think about GAF in the first place, really kneejerk to many things and sometimes that results in unpleasantness that might be unwarranted.

As for my thought on the actual issue, I honestly don't sympathize automatically with the woman, I'm skeptical; ok ok I know this makes me a terrible person. I understand that people say many things like "people don't believe woman when they come out so that's why so many of them don't talk about it!" and things like that, I understand that, but her actions after the incidents felt weird to me. I mean he probably misread the situation in the beginning and went offensive on the wrong time, which I'm sure has happened to everyone... He got out, maybe she also felt that the situation was just misread so she decided to continue hanging out with him and then later they got together for a bit. So she comes out now saying what he did was wrong, but it felt like she accepted it for a bit but after break up and some time decided that no it wasn't and decided to talk about it. This is actually something I see on the news all the time in Taiwanese news, where sometimes woman would come out and accuse a man of rape and it destroys that man's life. We call it "God Hopping", sometimes they might find evidence that the woman did consent to it at that moment. They would maybe go home and think about it, and then change their mind and think that it wasn't ok. If they can't find these information then the guy would be labeled a sex offender and basically his life would be gone(criminal record of sex offender) and a big sum of money. That's why there's a saying "free sex is the most expensive sex" there and many people joke about making a consent form that both parties need to sign for a hookup because it is relatively very easy for the guy to be fucked over. I'm not saying that this is what happened, but I think it's worth thinking about.

 

[Clipjoint]

The level of mental gymnastics you have to go through to turn his actions into sexual assault are all that need to be said of the situation.

Wouldn't it be easier to just say that he misread the signs, made a mistake, and rightly backed away when she made it clear she wasn't into him like that? Why is that such a radical reading of the situation?

 

[RDreamer]

How do you know she was non-consenting ? You were there ? Imho it's a case were he misinterpreted the situation and thought he had an opening. The facts that they were both drunk and that she didn't close the bathroom door don't also help to clarify it. He was told to go away and complied. They later talked about it and as per the girl's words he regreted his initiative.

Because she fucking said so?

Not closing the bathroom door isn't consent.

As per the girl's words later when they talked, what happened was "not okay."

 

[Mahadev]

Absolutely not. You're jumping to conclusions. I already said many if not most people are fine with men making those moves.

The issue at hand is that some people absolutely are not and those people are protected under law and can punish you for violating their rights if they so choose to do so. From your perspective, the few people who don't want that kind of attention should just have to suck it up because many people are fine with it. The law is there to protect the most vulnerable.

You're trying to get out of the corner you put yourself in with semantics and misrepresentation of the legal system. The law isn't black and white and they would never prosecute a man that was rejected after trying to kiss a woman on what he thought was a date. That's because the law also takes into account context which you tried to remove deliberately to push your own narrative.

 

[TheYanger]

Here is your post

You've had multiple people disagree with this statement and your only defense has been that we aren't reading your post, if you aren't interested in actually discussing, why are you posting on a discussion board?

Multiple people = you, and the person who I was quoting. His quote, which I responded to with that post, was saying that sexual tension exists in any siutation with a man and a woman being alone drinking. That's simply not true.

 

[deadduck]

Virtue Signalers

Fuck off.

The cunts that bring this bullshit up are doing the same with "their group".

 

[Pai Pai Master]

The level of mental gymnastics you have to go through to turn his actions into sexual assault are all that need to be said of the situation.

Wouldn't it be easier to just say that he misread the signs, made a mistake, and rightly backed away when she made it clear she wasn't into him like that? Why is that such a radical reading of the situation?

An understandable mistake is asking from outside the bathroom if he can get in the shower with her, she says no, and he says ok.

Getting naked and sneaking up behind her in the shower without getting her vocal consent first is sexual assault, full stop.

Or do you not understand how consent works?

 

[RDreamer]

But we're not talking about about sexual assault, we're talking about hypocritical white knights who won't be able to spew their stupidity on GAF anymore.

Virtue Signalers who are so quick to create a victim out of somebody that they insult their whole sex. Women are now too weak to say no, and most of them suffer from PTSD if they have to do it.

This situation would never be heard in court, let alone lead to a guilty verdict of any kind.
It's simple, trying to claim otherwise just makes you look like a fool.
I'm going to fuck my gorgeous wife, you go look at yours, and we'll both feel much better.

I'm going to say yet again. Why is the court system your fucking be all end all of morality. Once again, at one point in this country it was perfectly legal to lynch a black person. Is that a-ok because not a court in the country would convict you or should we get our moral standards from somewhere other than what might technically put you in jail or not?

 

[anothertech]

Are people jumping to conclusions? Yes. However long time members know whats going to happen already. This topic after a point will not be allowed to be discussed here and I think why thats really why people are pissed off. Because Evilore will likely only make one statement and plenty of people still have tons of questions but they'll never get any real answers from him.

Far from the point, as he is as deserving of his privacy as you or I. But the ignorant trolls jumping to conclusions are the ones blowing things out of proportion.

This entire situation doesn’t look good for either of them the more we learn, but when everyone instantly jumps to one side or the other in mob fashion as we’re witnessing right here it’s just ugly.

 

[blankempathy]

The level of mental gymnastics you have to go through to turn his actions into sexual assault are all that need to be said of the situation.

Wouldn't it be easier to just say that he misread the signs, made a mistake, and rightly backed away when she made it clear she wasn't into him like that? Why is that such a radical reading of the situation?

I guess ignoring what the victim said themselves is one way to go yes. Although I would to hear your explanation on why the mods aren't here to support Evilore?

Far from the point, as he is as deserving of his privacy as you or I. But the ignorant trolls jumping to conclusions are the ones blowing things out of proportion.

This entire situation doesn't look good for either of them the more we learn, but when everyone instantly jumps to one side or the other in mob fashion as we're witnessing right here it's just ugly.

You're blaming a website's user base for doing exactly what it has done in the past. Jumping to conclusions based on what someone said and nothing more. Why are people surprised things went down this way?

 

[Herr Schwarz]

An understandable mistake is asking from outside the bathroom if he can get in the shower with her, she says no, and he says ok.

Getting naked and sneaking up behind her in the shower without getting her vocal consent first is sexual assault, full stop.

Or do you not understand how consent works?

lol when you say sneaking, do you think he changed his movement pattern like stealthing in a video game? or is he walking silently, solemnly?

 

[Aeolus]

Since when does due process apply to where I go on the internet or what I purchase?

I can stop supporting someone or some thing because they're a fucking dickhead and no court in the world would throw you in jail just for being a dickhead. Why is the line in morality what would get you convicted in court? You guys realize at one point it was legal to lynch black people, right? The court system isn't the be all end all of moral superiority.

What happens if she was full of shit and you dumb cunts took the her word as absolute proof just out of reflex?

Oh please don't act like he committed anything close to a crime. He thought she was DTF and tested the waters in a extreme way. She said no and he got out. End of story. Big fucking deal. "Oh he assaulted her...oh little poor baby." They dated later on for a while, dummies. If ya don't like the guy, that's fine but get off the high horse.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

lol when you say sneaking, do you think he changed his movement pattern like stealthing in a video game? or is he walking silently, solemnly?

I mean appearing in the shower naked behind someone without them consenting to it.

 

[Clipjoint]

An understandable mistake is asking from outside the bathroom if he can get in the shower with her, she says no, and he says ok.

Getting naked and sneaking up behind her in the shower without getting her vocal consent first is sexual assault, full stop.

Or do you not understand how consent works?

Sexual assault would have been if he touched her after she said no. She told him to get out, he got out. He did not force the issue. Someone committing sexual assault would not have withdrawn himself from that situation - hence the assault.

 

[RDreamer]

lol when you say sneaking, do you think he changed his movement pattern like stealthing in a video game? or is he walking silently, solemnly?

Well we can say what he wasn't doing and that's getting consent!

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Sexual assault would have been if he touched her after she said no. She told him to get out, he got out. He did not force the issue. Someone committing sexual assault would not have withdrawn himself from that situation - hence the assault.

Sexual Assault is not only defined by physical contact. Violating someone's consent in any form is sexual assault. Not asking before you get naked and get in the shower with someone is a clear violation of consent.

 

[RDreamer]

What happens if she was full of shit and you dumb cunts took the her word as absolute proof just out of reflex?

I'll just leave this post as a good test to the new mods.

 

[All Hail C-Webb]

Fuck off.

The cunts that bring this bullshit up are doing the same with "their group".

These guys are the liberal version of that group.
Social outcasts, who annoy us, but you're on our side, so we'll put up with it.

I'll choose you SJW's everyday of the week. Thank you for fighting the good fight, I'll just ignore you when you take it to these crazy places.

Edit: Last point. I think you have every right to be pissed, Tyler's response was just awful. He made himself look like a real dick, and was really rude to the girl, when he should have just owned up to making a stupid move, and taken his lumps. Someone with more social skills would have known that. Someone who gets naked before knowing the girl is down, probably doesn't.

 

[anothertech]

I guess ignoring what the victim said themselves is one way to go yes. Although I would to hear your explanation on why the mods aren't here to support Evilore?

The fact is you and RDreamer are as ignorant as the rest of us and what you are arguing for is basically a mob style witch hunt, which begs to question what your true motives in all this are when you have no idea what the actual facts are.

Unless you’d like to fill us in on all the details because either of you were actually there and watched the events occur a few years ago?

Otherwise your no better than the other ignorant trolls asking to be banned.

You're blaming a website's user base for doing exactly what it has done in the past. Jumping to conclusions based on what someone said and nothing more. Why are people surprised things went down this way?

So moving goal posts and redirecting the valid points are equally ignorant acts, just FYI. Who the fuck cares what mob mentality has done in the past. Fuck.

 

[Clipjoint]

I guess ignoring what the victim said themselves is one way to go yes. Although I would to hear your explanation on why the mods aren't here to support Evilore?

I'm not ignoring what the "victim" said - I'm actually believing her story verbatim, which Tyler refutes. I just don't consider her version of the story to be sexual assault. Should he have jumped in the shower naked with her? No he shouldn't have. But did he assault her? Not at all. He just misread a situation and made a mistake. He's hardly the first man to have done so, and he shouldn't have his life ruined over it. By her own account, he got out of the shower the minute she told him to. That's not what a sexual assailant does.

 

[blankempathy]

I'll just leave this post as a good test to the new mods.

The irony is that questioning the supposed victim's story was a good way to earn yourself a ban in the past.

I'm not ignoring what the "victim" said - I'm actually believing her story verbatim, which Tyler refutes. I just don't consider her version of the story to be sexual assault. Should he have jumped in the shower naked with her? No he shouldn't have. But did he assault her? Not at all. He just misread a situation and made a mistake. He's hardly the first man to have done so, and he shouldn't have his life ruined over it. By her own account, he got out of the shower the minute she told him to. That's not what a sexual assailant does.

Even if it isn't sexual assault, which would be up to a court to decide, she clearly felt violated. I mean there are plenty of things people can do to victimize someone that technically aren't violating any laws.

 

[HazySaiyan]

In the state of Washington it's a misdemeanor. It isn't sexual assault. Not sure about other states. It seems like people are escalating this whole thing by calling it something it isn't.

Oh well that makes it OK then! It’s only a misdemeanour, exposing yourself without consent is no big deal!

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

But we're not talking about about sexual assault, we're talking about hypocritical white knights who won't be able to spew their stupidity on GAF anymore.

Virtue Signalers who are so quick to create a victim out of somebody that they insult their whole sex. Women are now too weak to say no, and most of them suffer from PTSD if they have to do it.

This situation would never be heard in court, let alone lead to a guilty verdict of any kind.
It's simple, trying to claim otherwise just makes you look like a fool.
I'm going to fuck my gorgeous wife, you go look at yours, and we'll both feel much better.

Dude, you're really coming across as disingenuous here as is shown by your willingness to generalize (which really is a slap in the face to people who actually DO suffer from situations where they said no and were victimized, by the way). I don't think you've actually spent much time around women at all, or at least taken the time to listen to them if you think it's so easy for them to stand up to a physically aggressive man, especially when again, even men have trouble standing up to aggressors.

Anyway, the next time your gorgeous wife tells you she's not in the mood and you force it on her anyway because being in a relationship means a blank check to have your way, you get back to me when she tells you how grateful she is that you saw past her wily ruse of sexual desire. Better yet, get back to me as to how many women are cool with you kissing or exposing yourself unexpectedly to them because they let you into their personal space.

 

[Aeolus]

I'll just leave this post as a good test to the new mods.

Honestly, if they have rules on flaming then the dumb cunts part will good enough. :-D

 

[Clipjoint]

Sexual Assault is not only defined by physical contact. Violating someone's consent in any form is sexual assault. Not asking before you get naked and get in the shower with someone is a clear violation of consent.

It actually is exactly defined by physical contact.

Having said that - is my girlfriend sexually assaulting me every time she gets in the shower with me without asking? Could I have her thrown in prison for doing so?

 

[TheTylerRob]

I'll choose you SJW's everyday of the week. Thank you for fighting the good fight, I'll just ignore you when you take it to these crazy places.

Same, that's why I can't stand the splintering of Gaf, this is one of the few liberal gaming spaces on the internet but people want to abandon it.

 

[dejay]

Hi Guys! How does one get permabanned around here without indulging in anything pornographic? I'm positive there used to be a contact a mod button but cannot find it.

Oh, and I guess goodbye. Been a fun 10 years....

 

[Pai Pai Master]

It actually is exactly defined by physical contact.

Having said that - is my girlfriend sexually assaulting me every time she gets in the shower with me without asking? Could I have her thrown in prison for doing so?

Do you not realize where the situation is different?

If you were drunk and sick and not in a relationship with someone who is not your girlfriend and they violated your privacy would you be okay with it?